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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 15:13:28
July 30 2013 15:12 GMT
#1861
On July 31 2013 00:08 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:06 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:03 ColtraneL wrote:
We haven't had any repeating champion ever in GSL.


....?

Mvp? NesTea? MC? MMA? Life?


He means back-to-back


Technically, we had. MMA did. GSL October + Blizzcup 2011 (which is considered "a GSL", and finished a few days before the GSL November Finals with Jjakji and Leenock)

I admit though that the Blizzcup isn't a real GSL with its different format.
LiquipediaWanderer
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 15:24:04
July 30 2013 15:13 GMT
#1862
On July 31 2013 00:09 Elroi wrote:
They have to change this game so that normal strong play is more rewarded. It ultimately will destroy the "sport" that no one can consistently win by being a more skilled player - like the bonjwas in BW.


So Boxer will more 'skilled' then Yellow when he won with 3x bunker rush?

Comon, you can complain about cheese in Bo1 and maybe even Bo3s. But in Bo7, you just got out mind game opponent.

Also, basketball will be destroyed because the Miami Heat don't win every game. And Golf will be destroyed because Tiger hasn't won a major in a couple years.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 30 2013 15:14 GMT
#1863
On July 31 2013 00:09 Elroi wrote:
They have to change this game so that normal strong play is more rewarded. This is just stupid.


Did you see the game? Innovation played rather poorly. I was cheering for him and I was massively disappointed with his lack of preparation.

Game 1: He didn't know the banshee timing and his turrets were late. He kept making hellions and didn't use them to scout the attack.
Game 2: Raven first is a big waste of gas and starport time. He didn't know it was a banshee, he just tried lazily blind countering. When he saw the medivac, he didn't try to scout again, and just built his CC. He cancelled his tank though at that point it might have been too late.
Game 3: He only scouted the lowground outside natural, and not the in base natural for anything. He also chose to blindly go CC first on a map where it is not possible to wall off the ramp due to a one hex rock. And this after 2 all ins. Pure hard headedness.
Game 4: He just got flat out outplayed though he was obviously tilted at this point.

Innovation played better in none of the games and deserved to lose. I wanted a Bomber vs Innovation finals and I dislike Maru but on this day Innovation was not the better player.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
ColtraneL
Profile Joined December 2011
France248 Posts
July 30 2013 15:15 GMT
#1864
On July 31 2013 00:12 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:08 lichter wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:06 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:03 ColtraneL wrote:
We haven't had any repeating champion ever in GSL.


....?

Mvp? NesTea? MC? MMA? Life?


He means back-to-back


Technically, we had. MMA did. GSL October + Blizzcup 2011 (which is considered "a GSL", and finished a few days before the GSL November Finals with Jjakji and Leenock)

I admit though that the Blizzcup isn't a real GSL with its different format.


Nope,GSL November finished on the 3rd of December, and Blizzard Cup finished on the 17th.
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
July 30 2013 15:16 GMT
#1865
On July 31 2013 00:08 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:06 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:03 ColtraneL wrote:
We haven't had any repeating champion ever in GSL.


....?

Mvp? NesTea? MC? MMA? Life?


He means back-to-back


GSL May - NesTea
GSL July - NesTea

Looks like NesTea won two GSLs in a row...
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
July 30 2013 15:17 GMT
#1866
On July 31 2013 00:09 Elroi wrote:
They have to change this game so that normal strong play is more rewarded. It ultimately will destroy the "sport" that no one can consistently win by being a more skilled player - like the bonjwas in BW.


Innovation has won lots of games over the last few months by simple strong play. Better micro, better aggression and better multitasking is all he needs to tear most players apart, and that's what he's been doing. Now that he's lost, suddenly normal play isn't rewarding enough? No, I know people want SC2 to be more mechanically rewarding, but he really brought this loss upon himself by making numerous mistakes across four games.
AdministratorBreak the chains
ColtraneL
Profile Joined December 2011
France248 Posts
July 30 2013 15:18 GMT
#1867
On July 31 2013 00:16 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:08 lichter wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:06 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:03 ColtraneL wrote:
We haven't had any repeating champion ever in GSL.


....?

Mvp? NesTea? MC? MMA? Life?


He means back-to-back


GSL May - NesTea
GSL July - NesTea

Looks like NesTea won two GSLs in a row...


The Super Tournament won by Polt was in between.
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
July 30 2013 15:18 GMT
#1868
On July 31 2013 00:09 Elroi wrote:
They have to change this game so that normal strong play is more rewarded. It ultimately will destroy the "sport" that no one can consistently win by being a more skilled player - like the bonjwas in BW.


Cause you know, strategies shouldn't be rewarded in a real time strategy game.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 30 2013 15:19 GMT
#1869
On July 31 2013 00:16 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:08 lichter wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:06 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:03 ColtraneL wrote:
We haven't had any repeating champion ever in GSL.


....?

Mvp? NesTea? MC? MMA? Life?


He means back-to-back


GSL May - NesTea
GSL July - NesTea

Looks like NesTea won two GSLs in a row...


Unfortunately Polt's Super Tournament win is considered a GSL title
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
July 30 2013 15:19 GMT
#1870
On July 31 2013 00:18 ColtraneL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:16 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:08 lichter wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:06 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:03 ColtraneL wrote:
We haven't had any repeating champion ever in GSL.


....?

Mvp? NesTea? MC? MMA? Life?


He means back-to-back


GSL May - NesTea
GSL July - NesTea

Looks like NesTea won two GSLs in a row...


The Super Tournament won by Polt was in between.


The Super Tournament wasn't a GSL, it was a Super Tournament. Gom didn't give Polt one of their GSL badges and it had tons of random dudes in it who weren't in Code S (even a couple who weren't in Code A). It's just as much a GSL as an Arena of legends is.
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 15:20:41
July 30 2013 15:19 GMT
#1871
On July 31 2013 00:09 Elroi wrote:
They have to change this game so that normal strong play is more rewarded. It ultimately will destroy the "sport" that no one can consistently win by being a more skilled player - like the bonjwas in BW.


You can't make the game adapt so that the same player is at the top constantly.

Either you have consistent monsters (aka Bonjwas, if we have the right to use that word...).
Either you don't, top players sometimes slump, and you can't do anything about that.

Blaming the game feels ridiculous at this point...

And, *cough* excuse me but *cough* Mvp.
Had he not wrists problem, he'd still be at the very top (considering with these problems, he's managed to take WCS EU, which is less about preparation than the WCS KR, and Mvp is a monster when it comes to decisions and preparation).

More recently, INnoVatioN looks really dominating. It's not a single lost series that will bring him to Code B level........
LiquipediaWanderer
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
July 30 2013 15:21 GMT
#1872
On July 31 2013 00:19 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:18 ColtraneL wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:16 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:08 lichter wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:06 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:03 ColtraneL wrote:
We haven't had any repeating champion ever in GSL.


....?

Mvp? NesTea? MC? MMA? Life?


He means back-to-back


GSL May - NesTea
GSL July - NesTea

Looks like NesTea won two GSLs in a row...


The Super Tournament won by Polt was in between.


The Super Tournament wasn't a GSL, it was a Super Tournament. Gom didn't give Polt one of their GSL badges and it had tons of random dudes in it who weren't in Code S (even a couple who weren't in Code A). It's just as much a GSL as an Arena of legends is.


I'm pretty sure Gom considers it a GSL
AdministratorBreak the chains
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
July 30 2013 15:21 GMT
#1873
On July 31 2013 00:21 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:19 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:18 ColtraneL wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:16 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:08 lichter wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:06 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:03 ColtraneL wrote:
We haven't had any repeating champion ever in GSL.


....?

Mvp? NesTea? MC? MMA? Life?


He means back-to-back


GSL May - NesTea
GSL July - NesTea

Looks like NesTea won two GSLs in a row...


The Super Tournament won by Polt was in between.


The Super Tournament wasn't a GSL, it was a Super Tournament. Gom didn't give Polt one of their GSL badges and it had tons of random dudes in it who weren't in Code S (even a couple who weren't in Code A). It's just as much a GSL as an Arena of legends is.


I'm pretty sure Gom considers it a GSL


Then why doesn't Polt have a GSL Champion badge?
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
ColtraneL
Profile Joined December 2011
France248 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 15:23:39
July 30 2013 15:22 GMT
#1874
On July 31 2013 00:19 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:18 ColtraneL wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:16 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:08 lichter wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:06 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:03 ColtraneL wrote:
We haven't had any repeating champion ever in GSL.


....?

Mvp? NesTea? MC? MMA? Life?


He means back-to-back


GSL May - NesTea
GSL July - NesTea

Looks like NesTea won two GSLs in a row...


The Super Tournament won by Polt was in between.


The Super Tournament wasn't a GSL, it was a Super Tournament. Gom didn't give Polt one of their GSL badges and it had tons of random dudes in it who weren't in Code S (even a couple who weren't in Code A). It's just as much a GSL as an Arena of legends is.


You have a point, although I don't feel this changes much about the message in my first post.
The game is evolving fast and top players usually don't perform continuously. This is just something that I wanted to point out to people who have been predicting a 100% chance of win for some players.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 15:23:15
July 30 2013 15:22 GMT
#1875
On July 31 2013 00:21 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:19 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:18 ColtraneL wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:16 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:08 lichter wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:06 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:03 ColtraneL wrote:
We haven't had any repeating champion ever in GSL.


....?

Mvp? NesTea? MC? MMA? Life?


He means back-to-back


GSL May - NesTea
GSL July - NesTea

Looks like NesTea won two GSLs in a row...


The Super Tournament won by Polt was in between.


The Super Tournament wasn't a GSL, it was a Super Tournament. Gom didn't give Polt one of their GSL badges and it had tons of random dudes in it who weren't in Code S (even a couple who weren't in Code A). It's just as much a GSL as an Arena of legends is.


I'm pretty sure Gom considers it a GSL


I think they do now, when they first came out with the GSL champion's pins they didn't consider it one and I would poke fun at Fionn for Polt having no badge.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 30 2013 15:23 GMT
#1876
On July 31 2013 00:21 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:21 Zealously wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:19 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:18 ColtraneL wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:16 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:08 lichter wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:06 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:03 ColtraneL wrote:
We haven't had any repeating champion ever in GSL.


....?

Mvp? NesTea? MC? MMA? Life?


He means back-to-back


GSL May - NesTea
GSL July - NesTea

Looks like NesTea won two GSLs in a row...


The Super Tournament won by Polt was in between.


The Super Tournament wasn't a GSL, it was a Super Tournament. Gom didn't give Polt one of their GSL badges and it had tons of random dudes in it who weren't in Code S (even a couple who weren't in Code A). It's just as much a GSL as an Arena of legends is.


I'm pretty sure Gom considers it a GSL


Then why doesn't Polt have a GSL Champion badge?


I'm pretty sure he got one eventually, I think...that would be a good question for an interview.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 30 2013 15:25 GMT
#1877
On July 31 2013 00:23 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:21 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:21 Zealously wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:19 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:18 ColtraneL wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:16 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:08 lichter wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:06 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:03 ColtraneL wrote:
We haven't had any repeating champion ever in GSL.


....?

Mvp? NesTea? MC? MMA? Life?


He means back-to-back


GSL May - NesTea
GSL July - NesTea

Looks like NesTea won two GSLs in a row...


The Super Tournament won by Polt was in between.


The Super Tournament wasn't a GSL, it was a Super Tournament. Gom didn't give Polt one of their GSL badges and it had tons of random dudes in it who weren't in Code S (even a couple who weren't in Code A). It's just as much a GSL as an Arena of legends is.


I'm pretty sure Gom considers it a GSL


Then why doesn't Polt have a GSL Champion badge?


I'm pretty sure he got one eventually, I think...that would be a good question for an interview.


I think they asked Polt whether he wanted GSL money +pin or Super Tournament money and no pin...
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
July 30 2013 15:26 GMT
#1878
On July 31 2013 00:21 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:21 Zealously wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:19 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:18 ColtraneL wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:16 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:08 lichter wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:06 Yonnua wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:03 ColtraneL wrote:
We haven't had any repeating champion ever in GSL.


....?

Mvp? NesTea? MC? MMA? Life?


He means back-to-back


GSL May - NesTea
GSL July - NesTea

Looks like NesTea won two GSLs in a row...


The Super Tournament won by Polt was in between.


The Super Tournament wasn't a GSL, it was a Super Tournament. Gom didn't give Polt one of their GSL badges and it had tons of random dudes in it who weren't in Code S (even a couple who weren't in Code A). It's just as much a GSL as an Arena of legends is.


I'm pretty sure Gom considers it a GSL


Then why doesn't Polt have a GSL Champion badge?


I don't know, you should ask them.
AdministratorBreak the chains
Chobra
Profile Joined June 2013
131 Posts
July 30 2013 15:27 GMT
#1879
VODs are up, spoiler free (although if you're here without having seen the results, then man props to you), on twitch.tv/wcs_osl/profile - Free 480p for those wondering, higher is subs only.

Enjoy! Rebroadcast also in 30 minutes.
Vandrad
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany951 Posts
July 30 2013 15:27 GMT
#1880
Just came home and saw the results.
+ Show Spoiler +
WHHAAAAAT?!?!
And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low?
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