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Chillaxing
Profile Joined March 2013
United States20 Posts
July 30 2013 10:57 GMT
#1661
:C i missed out
If you don't know it, Google it!
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
July 30 2013 10:58 GMT
#1662
On July 30 2013 19:57 Chillaxing wrote:
:C i missed out


Shame on you! Go watch the VODs and be thoroughly entertained.
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
July 30 2013 11:00 GMT
#1663
On July 30 2013 19:52 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 19:46 JoeSchmoe wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:34 graNite wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:28 JoeSchmoe wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:20 graNite wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:15 JoeSchmoe wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:13 graNite wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:05 Serpico wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:04 Caladan wrote:
Game 3 was completely *NOT* Innovation's fault.
You never never can scout the whole map. He DID scout for cheese. Other than that he played a normal solid build order. "Inno on tilt" etc. is really bs.

Build order wins ftl...

Yeah I don't understand why people criticize scouting so much, all the bitching amounts to "HOW COME YOU DIDNT SCOUT THE EXACT CORRECT WAY YOU NEEDED TO TO WIN!??" Because it's a game with fog of war and sooner or later you simply have to go off of your gut and hope to scout what you need to in order to win? Sometimes that doesn't work out, folks. No one's fault necessarily.


On Anaconda he couldve just scouted with the SCV after the depot and see there is nothing in marus base...


he didn't do a base scout because it's a cc first so there's no point. what you going to do after you see there's nothing in maru's base? cancel cc and build rax? doesn't matter. too late.


I dont think you have ever played terran on master level before. when you arrive with your scout after depot you have 400 minerals and can decide to not put down the cc and go double rax or rax gas instead.
This was a 2 player map and really easy to scout


you clearly have not played tvt on the master level. anaconda is way bigger than bel'shir. cc first on that map is not unusual. by the time u do a full base scout of your opponent, you would have more than enough for cc + rax. also scouting = delayed cc and even more delayed rax which defeats the whole purpose of going cc first.


i am a master league terran on eu and i know scout timings with cc first very well. i went cc first in every matchup for a few weeks.
i have never played on anaconda, but I dont think it takes more time to scout the other main base than on any other 2player map. go open up a custom game, scout with your scv that build the depot and you are at the opponents main at exactly 400 minerals.


I'm masters terran on na and i also know scout timings very well. but no one gives a shit because we aren't comparing mmrs here. and no i'm not going to just "open up a custom game". scout timings depend on the map. also your experiment is quite useless. you hit 400 and have your cc constructing way before when you don't 10 scout which means your barracks also comes sooner. also simply base scouting is insufficient for a map like anaconda. you have to check in base natural for potential cc first. simply put, "deciding" whether to cc first after complete scout on a map like anaconda makes no sense.

there is no point talking to you any more. you just say "doesnt make any sense" to everything i say although you dont even try it out.


good. you finally realize you have no idea what you're talking about. "i've never played anaconda but I know exactly how many minerals you will have when your scv reaches your opponents base!". not that this argument even had any relevance for the reasons i stated before.
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
July 30 2013 11:02 GMT
#1664
On July 30 2013 19:28 Muffloe wrote:
Alot of people seem surprised, but I KNEW it would be a esf-finals. Mind blown? Well, if you look at the overall gameflow it is quite easy to predict


I'm just saying that in order to be a great predictor you need to look at the subtle things as well
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 30 2013 11:02 GMT
#1665
On July 30 2013 19:58 Daswollvieh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 19:57 Chillaxing wrote:
:C i missed out


Shame on you! Go watch the VODs and be thoroughly entertained.


The polls for this series is exactly why I want to find a better way lol

They were entertaining games and as a whole Maru played this series out brilliantly.

But the level of play wasn't that high since they were strategic stomps.

I guess I'd rate the games 2/5, 3/5, 3/5, 3/5 individually but the series a 3.5/5 overall.
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illusiongamer
Profile Joined November 2010
Mexico377 Posts
July 30 2013 11:03 GMT
#1666
On July 30 2013 19:48 munchmunch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 19:45 illusiongamer wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:25 DidYuhim wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:23 illusiongamer wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:
I mean I'm not the biggest SC2 fan because mech is so bad, but how could people say that these games show why SC2 is bad? Have these people just forgot people like JulyZerg existed in BW and pretty much everyone of his wins was a super early attack?


you have no idea what are you talking about, July was the best zerg player until Savior and later Jaedong.
July was really good in macro games, and do it a lot of times.

+ Show Spoiler +

July was good at anything.

He's similar to Bomber, in a way. They both have this "Doesn't work? Well, let's try this again!" mentallity.

But July did a lot of all-ins in his games, though.


I agree that July do a lot of all-ins only because his opponents played greedy or thinking that are safe.
also all-ins are rare in BW so people like to see different matches.
Were all-ins really that rare in BW? I seem to remember, for instance, Kwanro all-inning every game he played. And he got sent out in proleague a lot.


see some BW on the nevake channel on youtube, I challenge to find a game that are a all-in, and is NOT a hydra bust (the most common all-in, ZvP)
"I'm such a fan of hooking" - Kaci Aitchison TI2013
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 30 2013 11:03 GMT
#1667
On July 30 2013 20:02 Muffloe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 19:28 Muffloe wrote:
Alot of people seem surprised, but I KNEW it would be a esf-finals. Mind blown? Well, if you look at the overall gameflow it is quite easy to predict


I'm just saying that in order to be a great predictor you need to look at the subtle things as well

Don't worry dude, we heard you the first time. Overall gameflow, that's where it's at.
Gauranga
Profile Joined November 2011
India25 Posts
July 30 2013 11:04 GMT
#1668
On July 30 2013 19:37 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 19:36 jalstar wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:30 ZenithM wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:28 Muffloe wrote:
Alot of people seem surprised, but I KNEW it would be a esf-finals. Mind blown? Well, if you look at the overall gameflow it is quite easy to predict

Lol. I forgot to look at the overall gameflow, my bad.


i, on the other hand, am a fuckin gameflow master

[image loading]

Did you look at the gameflow by flipping a coin?


also called it:
[image loading]
Gauranga
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
July 30 2013 11:05 GMT
#1669
Are the VODs free?
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
catabowl
Profile Joined November 2009
United States815 Posts
July 30 2013 11:05 GMT
#1670
Build Order wins... cheeses... what are we back in BW???

For all those bashing "BO wins", you're misinformed big time that this did not happen in BW a lot. ZvZ was a "BO" nightmare in that mirror matchup. Same as PvP in BW and guess what. So don't get on your high horse please.

Thanks!
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
July 30 2013 11:05 GMT
#1671
On July 30 2013 20:04 Gauranga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 19:37 bo1b wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:36 jalstar wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:30 ZenithM wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:28 Muffloe wrote:
Alot of people seem surprised, but I KNEW it would be a esf-finals. Mind blown? Well, if you look at the overall gameflow it is quite easy to predict

Lol. I forgot to look at the overall gameflow, my bad.


i, on the other hand, am a fuckin gameflow master

[image loading]

Did you look at the gameflow by flipping a coin?


also called it:
[image loading]

Nice
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 30 2013 11:08 GMT
#1672
What happened? O_O completely missed the final. Link to VODs? Match summary?
FuRRie
Profile Joined February 2009
Belgium815 Posts
July 30 2013 11:10 GMT
#1673
This was unexpected.
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
July 30 2013 11:11 GMT
#1674
On July 30 2013 20:08 boxerfred wrote:
What happened? O_O completely missed the final. Link to VODs? Match summary?

The final is in 3 days.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 30 2013 11:11 GMT
#1675
On July 30 2013 20:11 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 20:08 boxerfred wrote:
What happened? O_O completely missed the final. Link to VODs? Match summary?

The final is in 3 days.

11, not 3
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 11:15:46
July 30 2013 11:13 GMT
#1676
On July 30 2013 20:08 boxerfred wrote:
What happened? O_O completely missed the final. Link to VODs? Match summary?


Vods don't seem to be up yet.

Zelously did a nice recap earlier of game 4 and basically the series though:


+ Show Spoiler +
On July 30 2013 19:13 Zealously wrote:
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On July 30 2013 19:13 Paljas wrote:
cant watch stream, what happend in game 4?



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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 30 2013 11:15 GMT
#1677
On July 30 2013 20:05 catabowl wrote:
Build Order wins... cheeses... what are we back in BW???

For all those bashing "BO wins", you're misinformed big time that this did not happen in BW a lot. ZvZ was a "BO" nightmare in that mirror matchup. Same as PvP in BW and guess what. So don't get on your high horse please.

Thanks!


The majority of ZvZ games weren't build order losses... It was a lame match up, but it definitely wasn't just build order losses over and over.
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TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1982 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 11:17:18
July 30 2013 11:16 GMT
#1678
On July 30 2013 20:05 catabowl wrote:
Build Order wins... cheeses... what are we back in BW???

For all those bashing "BO wins", you're misinformed big time that this did not happen in BW a lot. ZvZ was a "BO" nightmare in that mirror matchup. Same as PvP in BW and guess what. So don't get on your high horse please.

Thanks!


OH GUESS WHAT? You have no fucking clue. And yes most ZvZ games were horrible to watch.
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
July 30 2013 11:16 GMT
#1679
HOLY... how did that happen... ?
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12058 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 11:18:20
July 30 2013 11:17 GMT
#1680
On July 30 2013 20:03 illusiongamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 19:48 munchmunch wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:45 illusiongamer wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:25 DidYuhim wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:23 illusiongamer wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:
I mean I'm not the biggest SC2 fan because mech is so bad, but how could people say that these games show why SC2 is bad? Have these people just forgot people like JulyZerg existed in BW and pretty much everyone of his wins was a super early attack?


you have no idea what are you talking about, July was the best zerg player until Savior and later Jaedong.
July was really good in macro games, and do it a lot of times.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKFthNcxTZ8

July was good at anything.

He's similar to Bomber, in a way. They both have this "Doesn't work? Well, let's try this again!" mentallity.

But July did a lot of all-ins in his games, though.


I agree that July do a lot of all-ins only because his opponents played greedy or thinking that are safe.
also all-ins are rare in BW so people like to see different matches.
Were all-ins really that rare in BW? I seem to remember, for instance, Kwanro all-inning every game he played. And he got sent out in proleague a lot.


see some BW on the nevake channel on youtube, I challenge to find a game that are a all-in, and is NOT a hydra bust (the most common all-in, ZvP)


Also what do they mean I have no idea what I'm talking about? I watched BW for years and July was known as a very aggresive zerg player

I may have missworded my post initially, but I was exaggerating to get a point across.
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