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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 20:10:43
July 30 2013 20:06 GMT
#2021
On July 31 2013 05:04 SorrowShine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 04:35 ACrow wrote:
On July 31 2013 04:26 stuchiu wrote:
On July 31 2013 04:23 babylon wrote:
On July 31 2013 04:19 stuchiu wrote:
I can just imagine Maru's practice now.

MKP: CC first man.

Byun: You gotta pull scvs at 15 dude.

Gerrard: Could you please model this new hat?

The door busts down as Maka enters the prime house for the first time in 2 years.

Maka: I have come from the past to tell you to 1 base like he who was formerly known as OPtimus.

Polt was more known for his two-base timings than his one-base all-ins, yeah?


Polt won his GSL finals on 1 base builds.

Let's ask Fionn, he'll know for sure and settle this dispute.

who is fionn?


A guy who used to like sc2 and was a TL writer for it, but lost his passion when Polt left Korea and ran off to the kingdom of LoL.
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1715 Posts
July 30 2013 20:07 GMT
#2022
On July 31 2013 05:06 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 05:04 SorrowShine wrote:
On July 31 2013 04:35 ACrow wrote:
On July 31 2013 04:26 stuchiu wrote:
On July 31 2013 04:23 babylon wrote:
On July 31 2013 04:19 stuchiu wrote:
I can just imagine Maru's practice now.

MKP: CC first man.

Byun: You gotta pull scvs at 15 dude.

Gerrard: Could you please model this new hat?

The door busts down as Maka enters the prime house for the first time in 2 years.

Maka: I have come from the past to tell you to 1 base like he who was formerly known as OPtimus.

Polt was more known for his two-base timings than his one-base all-ins, yeah?


Polt won his GSL finals on 1 base builds.

Let's ask Fionn, he'll know for sure and settle this dispute.

who is fionn?


A guy who used to like sc2 and write for it, but lost his passion when Polt left Korea and ran off to the kingdom of LoL.


lol...wait, fionn is gone..? aww
•••Acer.MMA••• <> KT_Puzzle <> JinAir•GreenWings_CoCa <> CJ_herO <> Axiom CranK & Ryung <> IM_Seed <> IM_Squirtle <> le' ToD <> Innovation <> ROOT_CatZ <> inuh! <> Chobra <> SKT1_Fantasy
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
July 30 2013 20:08 GMT
#2023
Wasn't able to watch this morning, saw the games now. That was such a fun match, I really liked Maru's builds (especially the one on Bel'shir, I remember ByuN doing it on stream).

I kinda hope Rain goes to the finals, just to see some cool TvP builds as well. But maybe he plays more for the longer game there.

Will we see the return of OptimusPrime?
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 20:11:22
July 30 2013 20:10 GMT
#2024
On July 31 2013 05:07 ShowTheLights wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 05:06 Dodgin wrote:
On July 31 2013 05:04 SorrowShine wrote:
On July 31 2013 04:35 ACrow wrote:
On July 31 2013 04:26 stuchiu wrote:
On July 31 2013 04:23 babylon wrote:
On July 31 2013 04:19 stuchiu wrote:
I can just imagine Maru's practice now.

MKP: CC first man.

Byun: You gotta pull scvs at 15 dude.

Gerrard: Could you please model this new hat?

The door busts down as Maka enters the prime house for the first time in 2 years.

Maka: I have come from the past to tell you to 1 base like he who was formerly known as OPtimus.

Polt was more known for his two-base timings than his one-base all-ins, yeah?


Polt won his GSL finals on 1 base builds.

Let's ask Fionn, he'll know for sure and settle this dispute.

who is fionn?


A guy who used to like sc2 and write for it, but lost his passion when Polt left Korea and ran off to the kingdom of LoL.


lol...wait, fionn is gone..? aww


He's still here in our hearts.
Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
July 30 2013 20:16 GMT
#2025
On July 31 2013 04:56 camilocraft wrote:
I believe that Innovation decision making in the series was awfull. He doesn't scout the one base play on the G1 because a widow mine shot. He made a raven on G2 because he sees gas first and assumes cloak banshee. For me the G3 is were he simply just cramble. He goes CC First on G3, after scouting only his natural why he scouts only the natural? why he doesn't send that scv the same way zerg send their drones to look for proxies, man, he do this exact same cheese to Flash on the same map.

I know that blizzard wants to convert sc2 to a Action Game but this series was about strategy. Yes cheese is a strategy and everyone knows it exists. If you cannot deal with it, you are simply playing bad. I tend to believe that the problem is that people (including me) focus too much on having better mecanics, when is simply better to scout and react accordingly. I know it hurts to much when you lose to cheese or real cheaters (like in the ladder right now, comment apart) but I believe that Innovation needs to practice agains cheese. SoulKey 4-3 was 3 cheese on a row is a pattern.

pretty sure blizz wants this to be a strategy game... or they'd not have made it a strategy game

but yes, innovation lost this. someone in here last night was trying to use this series as proof that he's a bad player. so silly.

made bad decisions last night and it cost him, as it should. doesn't erase how well he has played in nearly every other series (besides when he let his guard down against soulkey after going up 3-0)
Stroke Me Lady Fame
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
July 30 2013 20:38 GMT
#2026
On July 31 2013 05:07 ShowTheLights wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 05:06 Dodgin wrote:
On July 31 2013 05:04 SorrowShine wrote:
On July 31 2013 04:35 ACrow wrote:
On July 31 2013 04:26 stuchiu wrote:
On July 31 2013 04:23 babylon wrote:
On July 31 2013 04:19 stuchiu wrote:
I can just imagine Maru's practice now.

MKP: CC first man.

Byun: You gotta pull scvs at 15 dude.

Gerrard: Could you please model this new hat?

The door busts down as Maka enters the prime house for the first time in 2 years.

Maka: I have come from the past to tell you to 1 base like he who was formerly known as OPtimus.

Polt was more known for his two-base timings than his one-base all-ins, yeah?


Polt won his GSL finals on 1 base builds.

Let's ask Fionn, he'll know for sure and settle this dispute.

who is fionn?


A guy who used to like sc2 and write for it, but lost his passion when Polt left Korea and ran off to the kingdom of LoL.


lol...wait, fionn is gone..? aww


He's still around, just doesn't write as much "normal" stuff for SC2, he does that for LoL instead now
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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 21:39:44
July 30 2013 21:26 GMT
#2027
Lol at bogus! Loss is 100% on bogus for not expecting cheese. I'm not sure why bogus or people in this thread are shocked at maru cheese. He's always been a cheesy player. I remember one tournament, might have been up/down or an online tourney, I don't remember now, but maru 2 raxed every single game. I think there was a phase when he probably threw in a 2 rax almost every series he played. It's also how I knew Idra never followed maru because he gave maru props on meta and called him underrated, when I know idra hates cheesy players.

People joke about mkp being cheesekingprime, but mkp mainly just cheesed on ladder and his early days. He never actually cheesed that much in tournaments, except against foreigners as he would usually cheese a foreigner game 1 to see if they could hold or not. Maru has always been the true cheesekingprime and now I hope for a bomber and maru finals! I don't really mind cheese myself, but if done over and over it does ruin the viewer experience for people, so I can see why people get mad over it.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
ladysman09
Profile Joined June 2013
237 Posts
July 30 2013 21:27 GMT
#2028
I'm pretty sure the only reason Maru won was because Innovation was practicing for Proleague. And Innovation only beat Soulkey because they were both practicing for Proleague so Soulkey most likely didn't wanna bring his builds since they knew they were playing each other on Whirlwind for Proleague.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 30 2013 21:28 GMT
#2029
On July 31 2013 06:26 Canucklehead wrote:
Lol at bogus! Loss is 100% on bogus for not expecting cheese. I'm not sure why bogus or people in this thread are shocked at maru cheese. He's always been a cheesy player. I remember one tournament, might have been up/down or an online tourney, I don't remember now, but maru 2 raxed every single game. I think there was a phase when he probably threw in a 2 rax almost every series he played. It's also how I knew Idra never followed maru because he gave maru props on meta and called him underrated, when I know idra hates cheesy players.

People joke about mkp being cheesekingprime, but mkp mainly just cheesed on ladder and his early days. He never actually cheesed that much in tournements, except against foreigners as he would usually cheese a foreigner game 1 to see if they could hold or not. Maru has always been the true cheesekingprime and now I hope for a bomber and maru finals! I don't really mind cheese myself, but if done over and over it does ruin the viewer experience for people, so I can see why people get mad over it.

the series you are thinking of is probably Maru vs Losira Code A first round I believe a few seasons ago where he 11-11 on every map but Losira caught on with a blind pool first in the last game to take the win
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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
July 30 2013 21:38 GMT
#2030
On July 31 2013 06:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 06:26 Canucklehead wrote:
Lol at bogus! Loss is 100% on bogus for not expecting cheese. I'm not sure why bogus or people in this thread are shocked at maru cheese. He's always been a cheesy player. I remember one tournament, might have been up/down or an online tourney, I don't remember now, but maru 2 raxed every single game. I think there was a phase when he probably threw in a 2 rax almost every series he played. It's also how I knew Idra never followed maru because he gave maru props on meta and called him underrated, when I know idra hates cheesy players.

People joke about mkp being cheesekingprime, but mkp mainly just cheesed on ladder and his early days. He never actually cheesed that much in tournements, except against foreigners as he would usually cheese a foreigner game 1 to see if they could hold or not. Maru has always been the true cheesekingprime and now I hope for a bomber and maru finals! I don't really mind cheese myself, but if done over and over it does ruin the viewer experience for people, so I can see why people get mad over it.

the series you are thinking of is probably Maru vs Losira Code A first round I believe a few seasons ago where he 11-11 on every map but Losira caught on with a blind pool first in the last game to take the win


Yeah that's probably it. I remember a zerg, but just couldn't remember if it was the same zerg in one series or diff zergs.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Vesky
Profile Joined January 2013
United States857 Posts
July 30 2013 21:42 GMT
#2031
On July 31 2013 06:27 ladysman09 wrote:
I'm pretty sure the only reason Maru won was because Innovation was practicing for Proleague. And Innovation only beat Soulkey because they were both practicing for Proleague so Soulkey most likely didn't wanna bring his builds since they knew they were playing each other on Whirlwind for Proleague.


Sarcasm?

Honestly can't even tell.
Darkthorn
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania912 Posts
July 30 2013 21:43 GMT
#2032
On July 31 2013 06:26 Canucklehead wrote:
Lol at bogus! Loss is 100% on bogus for not expecting cheese. I'm not sure why bogus or people in this thread are shocked at maru cheese. He's always been a cheesy player. I remember one tournament, might have been up/down or an online tourney, I don't remember now, but maru 2 raxed every single game. I think there was a phase when he probably threw in a 2 rax almost every series he played. It's also how I knew Idra never followed maru because he gave maru props on meta and called him underrated, when I know idra hates cheesy players.

People joke about mkp being cheesekingprime, but mkp mainly just cheesed on ladder and his early days. He never actually cheesed that much in tournaments, except against foreigners as he would usually cheese a foreigner game 1 to see if they could hold or not. Maru has always been the true cheesekingprime and now I hope for a bomber and maru finals! I don't really mind cheese myself, but if done over and over it does ruin the viewer experience for people, so I can see why people get mad over it.

Maru: "To hell with viewer experience, I need my money and my 2nd or 1st place".
ChoDing
Profile Joined November 2009
United States740 Posts
July 30 2013 21:58 GMT
#2033
Just what the fuck...im still in shock...
관광 since 2008. Master of Cheese. God of Heartbreak Ridge.
snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
July 30 2013 22:11 GMT
#2034
Great games all of them over in the first 15 minutes. Well maru had stronger timings then innovation I guess. I still think innovation is the better player.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
July 30 2013 22:14 GMT
#2035
wait, are people still trying to turn this into another one of those "Innovation only lost because of cheese" things?
snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 22:21:41
July 30 2013 22:15 GMT
#2036
Innovation just basically got sniped. He never got into a single macro game maru just never let it happen by hitting timings and hiding things to mislead him. Out mind gamed, but I still say in a long macro game innovation wins and is the better overall player still.
Not cheese they were mainly timing attacks in a few games.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 30 2013 22:53 GMT
#2037
Well...what a surprising result.
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IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
July 30 2013 23:13 GMT
#2038
On July 31 2013 07:15 snakeeyez wrote:
Innovation just basically got sniped. He never got into a single macro game maru just never let it happen by hitting timings and hiding things to mislead him. Out mind gamed, but I still say in a long macro game innovation wins and is the better overall player still.
Not cheese they were mainly timing attacks in a few games.

4th game was pretty straight forward, innovation just got outmicroed and bullied out of the game, it almost seemed like Maru was an unstoppable force trampling him down.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
AngryFarmer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States560 Posts
July 30 2013 23:29 GMT
#2039
We can sum this series up with a four cheese pizza. But maybe the last one wasn't really cheese
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
July 30 2013 23:34 GMT
#2040
Just watched. I would have bet my life that Maru would not 4-0. If anything 4-3 Maru at best.

Time to take the best player title off of Innovation since he has shown an extreme weakness to cheese. If you cant defend cheese you cannot be the best. And Game 4 wasn't even cheese. It was solid decision making by Maru vs awful decision making by Innovation.

I expect literally every single player Innovation plays to preform some kind of aggressive build vs him now.

Time to cheer for Bomber!!!
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