It's the time of the season where every win counts, where every map counts.
Only three maps for Millenium to the playoffs. Three. Little. Maps. But the last time these two teams met, Axiom gave them only two. Axiom themselves cannot afford to lose more than once and they have yet to place Team Liquid twice. Millenium's last chance to take action. Will they use it?
* = ace. Last player on team can be chosen from the entire lineup, even if the player was eliminated before. ** = revive. Twice per season a team can revive a player that already was eliminated. [/QUOTE]
Good luck Aeromi. I have to mention it is pretty funny that we both did the same mistake when creating the poll in our first LR thread :D. But who thinks of deleting the word "Poll" when copy pasting it for the first time lol?
On July 30 2013 22:27 VelJa wrote: oh nice, some idea? Z,P or T? Did we know smthg about the comeback of Feast ? thx in advance
Probably Zerg or Protoss. Feast is still there but apparently he needed a break after his elimination in WCS. Hope he'll be back soon, Millenium needs him.
Okay thanks Aeromi & Boucot Last question, Korean player or Foreign ? What do you think actually ? I believe that Korean players are not afraid now to join Millenium, ForGG seems really happy actually and i think it's good for the image of Mill in Korea
On July 30 2013 22:35 VelJa wrote: Okay thanks Aeromi & Boucot Last question, Korean player or Foreign ? What do you think actually ? I believe that Korean players are not afraid now to join Millenium, ForGG seems really happy actually and i think it's good for the image of Mill in Korea
Korean probably. I think the goal is to recruit a top tier player.
On July 30 2013 22:35 VelJa wrote: Okay thanks Aeromi & Boucot Last question, Korean player or Foreign ? What do you think actually ? I believe that Korean players are not afraid now to join Millenium, ForGG seems really happy actually and i think it's good for the image of Mill in Korea
Llewellys want to add a Korean player who can make a top 4 at foreign event.
On July 30 2013 22:46 Mephiko wrote: The Matchup says Axiom - Millenium but in the results it's like Millenium - Axiom, that kind of confused me on a quick look here from work
On July 30 2013 23:15 ibo422 wrote: If I'm not wrong, Millenium needs one more win to secure a spot in the playoffs.
They need two more wins.
I see only +3 diff with acer and mill got the h2h.
Apparently there is no head to head, it's map difference, number of map won.
If you assume that because of my text, maybe it's wrong. I thought Millenium and Acer were even H2H, but in fact Millenium won both. I was confused because of 5-3 and 3-5.
On July 30 2013 23:15 ibo422 wrote: If I'm not wrong, Millenium needs one more win to secure a spot in the playoffs.
They need two more wins.
I see only +3 diff with acer and mill got the h2h.
Apparently there is no head to head, it's map difference, number of map won.
If you assume that because of my text, maybe it's wrong. I thought Millenium and Acer were even H2H, but in fact Millenium won both. I was confused because of 5-3 and 3-5.
According to the rules, it's number of maps before H2H. So Millenium would be behind Acer and Liquid even though they have a positive record against both of them.
I'm still not convinced about the number of maps won. That's an american thing, not european. I doubt taketv goes by that instead of h2h. If that's the case... oh boy, oh boy. -__-
If this band of washed-up progamers wins, I'm going to stop enjoying the loss of various players because immediately afterwards one of my favorite player/team loses.
On July 30 2013 23:29 ibo422 wrote: I'm still not convinced about the number of maps won. That's an american thing, not european. I doubt taketv goes by that instead of h2h. If that's the case... oh boy, oh boy. -__-
That's neither a US or EU thing, it's more dependent on sport.
On July 30 2013 23:29 ibo422 wrote: I'm still not convinced about the number of maps won. That's an american thing, not european. I doubt taketv goes by that instead of h2h. If that's the case... oh boy, oh boy. -__-
That's neither a US or EU thing, it's more dependent on sport.
On July 30 2013 23:32 Otolia wrote: If this band of washed-up progamers wins, I'm going to stop enjoying the loss of various players because immediately afterwards one of my favorite player/team loses.
On July 30 2013 23:32 Otolia wrote: If this band of washed-up progamers wins, I'm going to stop enjoying the loss of various players because immediately afterwards one of my favorite player/team loses.
QQ
laughing at you so hard
haha <3
On July 30 2013 23:39 grs wrote: Anyways, Acer qualified now.
On July 30 2013 23:32 Otolia wrote: If this band of washed-up progamers wins, I'm going to stop enjoying the loss of various players because immediately afterwards one of my favorite player/team loses.
On July 30 2013 23:15 ibo422 wrote: If I'm not wrong, Millenium needs one more win to secure a spot in the playoffs.
They need two more wins.
I see only +3 diff with acer and mill got the h2h.
Apparently there is no head to head, it's map difference, number of map won.
If you assume that because of my text, maybe it's wrong. I thought Millenium and Acer were even H2H, but in fact Millenium won both. I was confused because of 5-3 and 3-5.
According to the rules, it's number of maps before H2H. So Millenium would be behind Acer and Liquid even though they have a positive record against both of them.
Yeah. So if the CW ended 5-2, Millenium would have qualified, right?
No, 5-3. If it ended 5-2, Millenium and Acer would have been tied but Acer won more maps than Millenium overall. That's a stupid rule tbh.
On July 30 2013 23:29 ibo422 wrote: I'm still not convinced about the number of maps won. That's an american thing, not european. I doubt taketv goes by that instead of h2h. If that's the case... oh boy, oh boy. -__-
That's neither a US or EU thing, it's more dependent on sport.
I should have been more specific.. in the context of sc2. I had eg's master cup and nasl in mind..
On July 30 2013 23:32 Otolia wrote: If this band of washed-up progamers wins, I'm going to stop enjoying the loss of various players because immediately afterwards one of my favorite player/team loses.
QQ
laughing at you so hard
haha <3
On July 30 2013 23:39 grs wrote: Anyways, Acer qualified now.
On July 30 2013 23:43 20cts wrote: I don't understand what they did with Karont3. They should just cancel all their matches, even the ones played before the disband.
No, K3 played one complete set against every team. Only the 2nd match against all teams was forfeited. Best solution this way.
On July 30 2013 23:43 20cts wrote: I don't understand what they did with Karont3. They should just cancel all their matches, even the ones played before the disband.
That what I wanna say. I don't really understand this decision.
On July 30 2013 23:29 ibo422 wrote: I'm still not convinced about the number of maps won. That's an american thing, not european. I doubt taketv goes by that instead of h2h. If that's the case... oh boy, oh boy. -__-
That's neither a US or EU thing, it's more dependent on sport.
I've never seen this used before on SC2.
I'm pretty sure it has but regardless, all I'm saying is that it's not a national thing one way or another, I have no clue what rules they are using for this tournament. I stopped trying to look up tournament rules a long time ago since most organizers does a piss poor job at making them public (or at least last time I checked).
I do agree though that the other way is preferred.
On July 30 2013 23:43 20cts wrote: I don't understand what they did with Karont3. They should just cancel all their matches, even the ones played before the disband.
That what I wanna say. I don't really understand this decision.
On July 30 2013 23:32 Otolia wrote: If this band of washed-up progamers wins, I'm going to stop enjoying the loss of various players because immediately afterwards one of my favorite player/team loses.
QQ
laughing at you so hard
I know you must feel at home in the gutter where I just join you.
On July 30 2013 23:29 ibo422 wrote: I'm still not convinced about the number of maps won. That's an american thing, not european. I doubt taketv goes by that instead of h2h. If that's the case... oh boy, oh boy. -__-
That's neither a US or EU thing, it's more dependent on sport.
I should have been more specific.. in the context of sc2. I had eg's master cup and nasl in mind..
On July 30 2013 23:43 20cts wrote: I don't understand what they did with Karont3. They should just cancel all their matches, even the ones played before the disband.
I think it's okay since Karont3 played every team once, before they gave 5:0s for the remaining matches
On July 30 2013 23:15 ibo422 wrote: If I'm not wrong, Millenium needs one more win to secure a spot in the playoffs.
They need two more wins.
I see only +3 diff with acer and mill got the h2h.
Apparently there is no head to head, it's map difference, number of map won.
If you assume that because of my text, maybe it's wrong. I thought Millenium and Acer were even H2H, but in fact Millenium won both. I was confused because of 5-3 and 3-5.
According to the rules, it's number of maps before H2H. So Millenium would be behind Acer and Liquid even though they have a positive record against both of them.
Yeah. So if the CW ended 5-2, Millenium would have qualified, right?
No, 5-3. If it ended 5-2, Millenium and Acer would have been tied but Acer won more maps than Millenium overall. That's a stupid rule tbh.
Yeah, noticed what you mean 30 sec after my post but too late for ninjaing you
The whole ATC league is modeled after the Bundesliga, but maps won before H2H does not make any sense in SC2.
On July 30 2013 23:43 20cts wrote: I don't understand what they did with Karont3. They should just cancel all their matches, even the ones played before the disband.
I think it's okay since Karont3 played every team once, before they gave 5:0s for the remaining matches
It's a solution. Nullifying all results would put everyone on the same level which is detrimental to the 2 teams who won, while keeping the results is detrimental to the remaining teams at various level (because of the different map score). I would argue that it's better to be detrimental to fewer teams.
On July 30 2013 23:43 20cts wrote: I don't understand what they did with Karont3. They should just cancel all their matches, even the ones played before the disband.
I think it's okay since Karont3 played every team once, before they gave 5:0s for the remaining matches
It's a solution. Nullifying all results would put everyone on the same level which is detrimental to the 2 teams who won, while keeping the results is detrimental to the remaining teams at various level (because of the different map score). I would argue that it's better to be detrimental to fewer teams.
You basically want to say "I think it is better to do the illogical and unfair deceision, because my team benefits from it", did I get it right?
On July 30 2013 23:43 20cts wrote: I don't understand what they did with Karont3. They should just cancel all their matches, even the ones played before the disband.
I think it's okay since Karont3 played every team once, before they gave 5:0s for the remaining matches
It's a solution. Nullifying all results would put everyone on the same level which is detrimental to the 2 teams who won, while keeping the results is detrimental to the remaining teams at various level (because of the different map score). I would argue that it's better to be detrimental to fewer teams.
You basically want to say "I think it is better to do the illogical and unfair deceision, because my team benefits from it", did I get it right?
No I say : " It's better to penalize 2 teams than the other 6." See the quoted text.
On July 30 2013 23:43 20cts wrote: I don't understand what they did with Karont3. They should just cancel all their matches, even the ones played before the disband.
I think it's okay since Karont3 played every team once, before they gave 5:0s for the remaining matches
It's a solution. Nullifying all results would put everyone on the same level which is detrimental to the 2 teams who won, while keeping the results is detrimental to the remaining teams at various level (because of the different map score). I would argue that it's better to be detrimental to fewer teams.
It's definitely something that can be discussed. But in my opinion it's better the way they did it. Mouz also lost to K3, but I still think the matches should count. Nullifying is straight up unfair to TL and Axiom, while keeping the results is fair since they all played and had the same chance against K3.
Edit: Otolia you are not punishing 6 teams instead of 2, the other 6 had the same chance. Nullifying would be punishing TL an Axiom for their good performance though.
On July 30 2013 23:43 20cts wrote: I don't understand what they did with Karont3. They should just cancel all their matches, even the ones played before the disband.
I think it's okay since Karont3 played every team once, before they gave 5:0s for the remaining matches
It's a solution. Nullifying all results would put everyone on the same level which is detrimental to the 2 teams who won, while keeping the results is detrimental to the remaining teams at various level (because of the different map score). I would argue that it's better to be detrimental to fewer teams.
You basically want to say "I think it is better to do the illogical and unfair deceision, because my team benefits from it", did I get it right?
No I say : " It's better to penalize 2 teams than the other 6." See the quoted text.
That is not correct, you know it, you don't want to admit it. No point going on for me.
On July 30 2013 23:43 20cts wrote: I don't understand what they did with Karont3. They should just cancel all their matches, even the ones played before the disband.
I think it's okay since Karont3 played every team once, before they gave 5:0s for the remaining matches
It's a solution. Nullifying all results would put everyone on the same level which is detrimental to the 2 teams who won, while keeping the results is detrimental to the remaining teams at various level (because of the different map score). I would argue that it's better to be detrimental to fewer teams.
It's definitely something that can be discussed. But in my opinion it's better the way they did it. Mouz also lost to K3, but I still think the matches should count. Nullifying is straight up unfair to TL and Axiom, while keeping the results is fair since they all played and had the same chance against K3.
Which I am totally agreeing with. But the way I see it is the following : By keeping the results you put weight on what teams and players cannot control anymore while the contrary makes everyone more equal by giving them same chances to win in the second round. It's a tough call to make anyway so I don't judge to one who had to but I would have choose another solution were I the admin.
On July 30 2013 23:43 20cts wrote: I don't understand what they did with Karont3. They should just cancel all their matches, even the ones played before the disband.
I think it's okay since Karont3 played every team once, before they gave 5:0s for the remaining matches
It's a solution. Nullifying all results would put everyone on the same level which is detrimental to the 2 teams who won, while keeping the results is detrimental to the remaining teams at various level (because of the different map score). I would argue that it's better to be detrimental to fewer teams.
You basically want to say "I think it is better to do the illogical and unfair deceision, because my team benefits from it", did I get it right?
No I say : " It's better to penalize 2 teams than the other 6." See the quoted text.
So if 6 teams had won against K3 you'd argue the other way around then? What if it had been a half and half situation? This seems a very arbitrary way of deciding things...
On July 30 2013 23:43 20cts wrote: I don't understand what they did with Karont3. They should just cancel all their matches, even the ones played before the disband.
I think it's okay since Karont3 played every team once, before they gave 5:0s for the remaining matches
It's a solution. Nullifying all results would put everyone on the same level which is detrimental to the 2 teams who won, while keeping the results is detrimental to the remaining teams at various level (because of the different map score). I would argue that it's better to be detrimental to fewer teams.
You basically want to say "I think it is better to do the illogical and unfair deceision, because my team benefits from it", did I get it right?
No I say : " It's better to penalize 2 teams than the other 6." See the quoted text.
That is not correct, you know it, you don't want to admit it. No point going on for me.
Oh dear, no! You got me. I have an opinion and this opinion is influencing my thinking.
On July 30 2013 23:43 20cts wrote: I don't understand what they did with Karont3. They should just cancel all their matches, even the ones played before the disband.
I think it's okay since Karont3 played every team once, before they gave 5:0s for the remaining matches
It's a solution. Nullifying all results would put everyone on the same level which is detrimental to the 2 teams who won, while keeping the results is detrimental to the remaining teams at various level (because of the different map score). I would argue that it's better to be detrimental to fewer teams.
You basically want to say "I think it is better to do the illogical and unfair deceision, because my team benefits from it", did I get it right?
No I say : " It's better to penalize 2 teams than the other 6." See the quoted text.
So if 6 teams had won against K3 you'd argue the other way around then? What if it had been a half and half situation? This seems a very arbitrary way of deciding things...
Yes I would have argued the other way.
But more than that, it's always better to give the same chances in the future than to rely on past results and that's not arbitrary.
PS : Anyway, this isn't really the place to discuss this. We are just rehashing what was argued before.
On July 31 2013 00:00 20cts wrote: Anyway, it's funny how close it is and how details such as how you remove K3 from the results ends up mattering so much.
On July 31 2013 00:00 20cts wrote: Anyway, it's funny how close it is and how details such as how you remove K3 from the results ends up mattering so much.
So team acer now definetely qualified for the playoffs because only axiom and team liquid can surpass them. Millenium has no games left and would have needed one more map to be ahead of team acer.
Millenium now the one to get 5th place if axiom wins 2 out of 3 and team liquid 1 out of 2 remaining matches. (provided that Axiom and Team Liquid dont mess up their map score but at the moment they are well ahead, but millenium only neeeded 2 maps today to be qualified so apparently anything can happen)
Remaining matches: Axiom vs Quantic Axiom vs Liquid Liquid vs Axiom
On July 31 2013 00:00 20cts wrote: Anyway, it's funny how close it is and how details such as how you remove K3 from the results ends up mattering so much.
On July 31 2013 00:08 SpikeStarcraft wrote: So team acer now definetely qualified for the playoffs because only axiom and team liquid can surpass them. Millenium has no games left and would have needed one more map to be ahead of team acer.
Millenium now the one to fall out if axiom wins 2 out of 3 and tl 1 out of 2 remaining matches
Remaining matches: Axiom vs Quantic Axiom vs Liquid Liquid vs Axiom
So if Axiom beats Quantic we could have Fantasy vs. Rain all over again.
A bit sad that all the delay that Axiom created is helping them...
If you want to stay a bit fair in this cup, Axiom vs Quantic should be play last so Axiom - TL cannot arrange themselves for a tie because there is a risk that Axiom will lost vs Quantic after (a small risk tho).
yeah i agree Axiom vs Quantic last plz. Quantic doesnt have any incentive to win so i dont expect them to be that determined to kick out axiom though.
For possible future seasons i would suggest that you have to stick to the schedule. If you dont play your match within the week they are scheduled, it ends up in a tie with 0.5 points for each team and 0-0 maps. You have 2 wildcards per season to extend the deadline for an additional week.
maybe a little more elaborate so nobody forces a tie or rather goes with the 0.5 points than risking to have zero points, but something along those lines.
On July 31 2013 00:18 20cts wrote: Axiom is the clear favorite over Quantic. The question is will TL still deliver after they get the only win they need ?
I actually don't think so at all. Sure if you look at their teamleague status they are not the favorite,but i believe that's mainly because of poor player sending in teamgames.
Quantic to me is the favorite,now its up to them to decide if they want to win or not. If they want to win they simply have to align
aka the A team. TREME and Venus are good to but they are too unstable to use if quantic really wanted to win this. Ax is good but they can't quite compare to the A team of quantic. They do have better results because they are experienced in teamleagues that's about it.
But since quantic is already out they will probably send a few new players to the test bench,i could see a TREME of Venus being send first.
On July 31 2013 00:18 20cts wrote: Axiom is the clear favorite over Quantic. The question is will TL still deliver after they get the only win they need ?
I actually don't think so at all. Sure if you look at their teamleague status they are not the favorite,but i believe that's mainly because of poor player sending in teamgames.
Quantic to me is the favorite,now its up to them to decide if they want to win or not. If they want to win they simply have to align
aka the A team. TREME and Venus are good to but they are too unstable to use if quantic really wanted to win this. Ax is good but they can't quite compare to the A team of quantic. They do have better results because they are experienced in teamleagues that's about it.
But since quantic is already out they will probably send a few new players to the test bench,i could see a TREME of Venus being send first.
That's Quantics A-Team?
Ryung can allkill that easily
place Alicia in the bag and you got a sealed deal
Quantics A-Team can even be beaten by axiom-acres B-team
I don't think there are any clear favorite between Axiom and Quantic. I'd say Axiom have a more evenly skilled team with Ryung as the ace, and I'd pick any over their players over Center, Apocalypse and HwangSin. The top due of HyuN and Stardust makes it very close though and on a good day might be considered favored. No matter what it will come down to how the players perform on the day in question as most of the players are capable of taking games off the other team.
Wow i'm so disgusted, just coming from work, i see that Millenium are almost out TL and Axiom will do what they need to go to the playoffs together. Tie 1-1.
A solution is to play Quantic vs Axiom after Axiom vs TL.
On July 31 2013 01:19 SpikeStarcraft wrote: yeah i agree Axiom vs Quantic last plz. Quantic doesnt have any incentive to win so i dont expect them to be that determined to kick out axiom though.
For possible future seasons i would suggest that you have to stick to the schedule. If you dont play your match within the week they are scheduled, it ends up in a tie with 0.5 points for each team and 0-0 maps. You have 2 wildcards per season to extend the deadline for an additional week.
maybe a little more elaborate so nobody forces a tie or rather goes with the 0.5 points than risking to have zero points, but something along those lines.
That wouldn't exactly be fair to the team that might be ready to play their game. Either you accept there will be delays (within reason) or you give the team that can't show up a forfeit. Personally I think you'll have to accept certain delays in online international tournaments, especially team leagues. It's hard enough for single player events to have all matches played on time where you don't have to schedule around a bunch of players all being available at the same time. Or you only have teams in the league that have enough players that it doesn't matter if a couple isn't available each week. Axiom having the smallest lineup suffers most if there is some scheduling conflicts.
Also the TL-Axiom conspiracies are a little amusing. You don't think much of the players do you....
On July 31 2013 01:19 SpikeStarcraft wrote: yeah i agree Axiom vs Quantic last plz. Quantic doesnt have any incentive to win so i dont expect them to be that determined to kick out axiom though.
For possible future seasons i would suggest that you have to stick to the schedule. If you dont play your match within the week they are scheduled, it ends up in a tie with 0.5 points for each team and 0-0 maps. You have 2 wildcards per season to extend the deadline for an additional week.
maybe a little more elaborate so nobody forces a tie or rather goes with the 0.5 points than risking to have zero points, but something along those lines.
That wouldn't exactly be fair to the team that might be ready to play their game. Either you accept there will be delays (within reason) or you give the team that can't show up a forfeit. Personally I think you'll have to accept certain delays in online international tournaments, especially team leagues. It's hard enough for single player events to have all matches played on time where you don't have to schedule around a bunch of players all being available at the same time. Or you only have teams in the league that have enough players that it doesn't matter if a couple isn't available each week. Axiom having the smallest lineup suffers most if there is some scheduling conflicts.
Also the TL-Axiom conspiracies are a little amusing. You don't think much of the players do you....
In every sport, a situation like that almost always lead to the score favorising the 2 teams. We are lucky enough in e-sport to have a non-fixed shedule to avoid things like that. That would totally be fair and logic to avoid this situation by playing Axiom vs quantic in last.
On July 31 2013 01:19 SpikeStarcraft wrote: yeah i agree Axiom vs Quantic last plz. Quantic doesnt have any incentive to win so i dont expect them to be that determined to kick out axiom though.
For possible future seasons i would suggest that you have to stick to the schedule. If you dont play your match within the week they are scheduled, it ends up in a tie with 0.5 points for each team and 0-0 maps. You have 2 wildcards per season to extend the deadline for an additional week.
maybe a little more elaborate so nobody forces a tie or rather goes with the 0.5 points than risking to have zero points, but something along those lines.
That wouldn't exactly be fair to the team that might be ready to play their game. Either you accept there will be delays (within reason) or you give the team that can't show up a forfeit. Personally I think you'll have to accept certain delays in online international tournaments, especially team leagues. It's hard enough for single player events to have all matches played on time where you don't have to schedule around a bunch of players all being available at the same time. Or you only have teams in the league that have enough players that it doesn't matter if a couple isn't available each week. Axiom having the smallest lineup suffers most if there is some scheduling conflicts.
Also the TL-Axiom conspiracies are a little amusing. You don't think much of the players do you....
A little delay is acceptable of course but Axiom had 3x more matches late than the other teams at the end (today's match was from week 8 and they have still a match from week 6 (!) to play against Liquid). But I don't think a team should be punished for that, it's also admins responsibility to ensure that the games are played in time.
On July 31 2013 03:15 Makro wrote: so in résumé millenium is fucked by the schedule ?
No. In résumé, Millenium had to win 3 maps but failed to do so. The rest is mostly bad admin but it has been the same since the start of the tournament.
On July 31 2013 03:15 Makro wrote: so in résumé millenium is fucked by the schedule ?
Millenium isn't helped by the schedule but fucked up themselves. They had a royal road to qualify and lost 4 of the last 5 matches. Every time 5-2 or 5-1.
On July 31 2013 03:15 Makro wrote: so in résumé millenium is fucked by the schedule ?
Millenium isn't helped by the schedule but fucked up themselves. They had a royal road to qualify and lost 4 of the last 5 matches. Every time 5-2 or 5-1.
Well yeah, I mean I'm not sure why people can say "it's the schedules fault" when they keep losing with bad mapscores. You wanna talk about the schedule? Our guys had to play with 3 people today, 3. They've also had to play at all hours of the night to accommodate other teams. Millenium is not being shafted by the schedule, the schedule is hard on everyone. Such is the nature of an online teamleague that's being played across 3 continents. At the end of the day, teams don't make the playoffs because they lose too much. That's how it works.
On July 31 2013 03:48 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Actually Liquid vs Axiom both matches were already played before today and will be cast from replays so your conspiracy theories are void :o
On July 31 2013 03:48 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Actually Liquid vs Axiom both matches were already played before today and will be cast from replays so your conspiracy theories are void :o
On July 31 2013 03:48 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Actually Liquid vs Axiom both matches were already played before today and will be cast from replays so your conspiracy theories are void :o
On July 31 2013 03:48 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Actually Liquid vs Axiom both matches were already played before today and will be cast from replays so your conspiracy theories are void :o
Thanks for the info. Sad Take pulls an MLG on us
Scheduling can be quite hard with people flying around the world to tournaments and stuff.
On July 31 2013 03:48 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Actually Liquid vs Axiom both matches were already played before today and will be cast from replays so your conspiracy theories are void :o
Thanks for the info. Sad Take pulls an MLG on us
It's very recent not 1month+ old like the MLG replays;; and was necessary to determine who will advance to the offline finals so it can be scheduled with flights/etc. Was never done earlier in the season when it could be avoided
On July 31 2013 03:48 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Actually Liquid vs Axiom both matches were already played before today and will be cast from replays so your conspiracy theories are void :o
Thanks for the info. Sad Take pulls an MLG on us
It's very recent not 1month+ old like the MLG replays;; and was necessary to determine who will advance to the offline finals so it can be scheduled with flights/etc. Was never done earlier in the season when it could be avoided
It probably sounded more complaining than it was meant to. Sports from tape just loses much appeal for me. I can understand scheduling can be difficult; I just don't like cast from replays.
On July 31 2013 03:48 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Actually Liquid vs Axiom both matches were already played before today and will be cast from replays so your conspiracy theories are void :o
Thanks for the info. Sad Take pulls an MLG on us
It's very recent not 1month+ old like the MLG replays;; and was necessary to determine who will advance to the offline finals so it can be scheduled with flights/etc. Was never done earlier in the season when it could be avoided
On July 31 2013 03:48 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Actually Liquid vs Axiom both matches were already played before today and will be cast from replays so your conspiracy theories are void :o
Thanks for the info. Sad Take pulls an MLG on us
It's very recent not 1month+ old like the MLG replays;; and was necessary to determine who will advance to the offline finals so it can be scheduled with flights/etc. Was never done earlier in the season when it could be avoided
So Axiom vs TL has already been played but Axiom vs Quantic not yet. Axiom qualified because of the 15k travel costs, then they must have won both matches against teamliquid. Which means Team Liquid is out, Millenium and Axiom both qualified. So sad.. Team Liquid would have had a lot of fan favorites.. TLO, Snute, Ret, Taeja, Hero... I will miss them. Axiom on the other hand has only players with very small fan bases..
On July 31 2013 03:48 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Actually Liquid vs Axiom both matches were already played before today and will be cast from replays so your conspiracy theories are void :o
Thanks for the info. Sad Take pulls an MLG on us
It's very recent not 1month+ old like the MLG replays;; and was necessary to determine who will advance to the offline finals so it can be scheduled with flights/etc. Was never done earlier in the season when it could be avoided
So I guess Axiom qualified, since it would explain the $15.000 travel cost in august TB tweeted about.
WCS America for 3 players and DH Bucharest costs alot aswell ( eg. french CS:GO team Verygames had to withdraw from an event because summer vacation travel costs skyrocketed (12k in flights alone for a 5-man squad from France to Dallas and back, and I dont want to know what a Korea-SoCal flight costs).
And I guess the replaycasts are the reason the matches will be played 1am KST
Let's put the conspiracy theories and speculation to rest. The $15,000 quoted price had nothing to do with ATC and encompasses flying 3 players round-trip to WCS NA and 4 players to Dreamhack Bucharest.
On July 31 2013 05:49 TotalBiscuit wrote: Let's put the conspiracy theories and speculation to rest. The $15,000 quoted price had nothing to do with ATC and encompasses flying 3 players round-trip to WCS NA and 4 players to Dreamhack Bucharest.
On July 31 2013 05:49 TotalBiscuit wrote: Let's put the conspiracy theories and speculation to rest. The $15,000 quoted price had nothing to do with ATC and encompasses flying 3 players round-trip to WCS NA and 4 players to Dreamhack Bucharest.
On July 31 2013 05:49 TotalBiscuit wrote: Let's put the conspiracy theories and speculation to rest. The $15,000 quoted price had nothing to do with ATC and encompasses flying 3 players round-trip to WCS NA and 4 players to Dreamhack Bucharest.
Oh boy, then I don't know if we should feel sorry or be happy for you if you actually qualify(ied) for ATC playoffs.
On July 31 2013 05:49 TotalBiscuit wrote: Let's put the conspiracy theories and speculation to rest. The $15,000 quoted price had nothing to do with ATC and encompasses flying 3 players round-trip to WCS NA and 4 players to Dreamhack Bucharest.
Well i wouldnt expect you to confirm those theories if they were true ^^
On July 31 2013 03:48 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Actually Liquid vs Axiom both matches were already played before today and will be cast from replays so your conspiracy theories are void :o
Thanks for the info. Sad Take pulls an MLG on us
It's very recent not 1month+ old like the MLG replays;; and was necessary to determine who will advance to the offline finals so it can be scheduled with flights/etc. Was never done earlier in the season when it could be avoided
On July 31 2013 03:48 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Actually Liquid vs Axiom both matches were already played before today and will be cast from replays so your conspiracy theories are void :o
Thanks for the info. Sad Take pulls an MLG on us
It's very recent not 1month+ old like the MLG replays;; and was necessary to determine who will advance to the offline finals so it can be scheduled with flights/etc. Was never done earlier in the season when it could be avoided
I think the outcome was already, inadvertently, leaked on axiomesports.com a couple of weeks ago. At least of one match. It showed up in the recent results, and I was wondering why it showed up there with the ATC match not having been played yet.
Scarlett was directly addressing the concern people were having with TL and Axiom being able to decide the outcome and hence she only commented about those two games. Unless someone knows that the Quantic game haven't happened I see no reason to make any conclusion either way.
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