On July 25 2013 04:21 KristofferAG wrote: Well I don't know, you've been doing LRs for it. That's more than you do for anything else these days now isn't it.
Also I guess it's a pretty cool group.
USA's last chance to get a 2nd player in the Ro16. USA! USA!
0:00 theognis spawns in the top left Sage spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gateway first for Sage
2:00 gas for Sage CC first on the low ground for theognis cybernetics core for Sage rax for theognis
3:00 2nd rax for theognis 2nd gas for Sage zealot for Sage MSC for Sage stalker for Sage
4:00 bunker in the natural for theognis Nexus for Sage MSC moving out on the map for Sage double gas for theognis
5:00 Robo for Sage 3rd rax for theognis reaper for theognis theognis scouts the nexus of Sage tech lab for theognis
6:00 forge for Sage stim research started for theognis Robo bay for Sage observer for Sage Factory for theognis MSC tries to harass the natural mineral line but is chased away +1 armor for Sage ebay for theognis 3rd gas for theognis
7:00 47 vs 47 Marauders started for theognis reaper scouts the main of sage and sees the robo bay Starport for theognis Colossus started for Sage
8:00 58 v 60 +1 attac started for theognis combat shields for theognis 2 more gates for Sage Twilight council for Sage theognis breaking down the rocks for a 3rd base 2 more rax for theognis
9:00 70 vs 68 Warp prism for Sage 2 more gates for Sage charge research for Sage concussive shells for theognis medivacs for theognis
10:00 84 vs 76 theognis starting to move out with his first 2 medivacs +2 armor for Sage Templar archives for Sage Sage stopped at 1 colossus and made an observer after theognis scans the natural and sees the sentries zealots and colossus theognis decides not to try and go up the ramp another observer for Sage
0:00 theognis spawns in the top left Sage spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gateway first for Sage
2:00 gas for Sage CC first on the low ground for theognis cybernetics core for Sage rax for theognis
3:00 2nd rax for theognis 2nd gas for Sage zealot for Sage MSC for Sage stalker for Sage
4:00 bunker in the natural for theognis Nexus for Sage MSC moving out on the map for Sage double gas for theognis
5:00 Robo for Sage 3rd rax for theognis reaper for theognis theognis scouts the nexus of Sage tech lab for theognis
6:00 forge for Sage stim research started for theognis Robo bay for Sage observer for Sage Factory for theognis MSC tries to harass the natural mineral line but is chased away +1 armor for Sage ebay for theognis 3rd gas for theognis
7:00 47 vs 47 Marauders started for theognis reaper scouts the main of sage and sees the robo bay Starport for theognis Colossus started for Sage
8:00 58 v 60 +1 attac started for theognis combat shields for theognis 2 more gates for Sage Twilight council for Sage theognis breaking down the rocks for a 3rd base 2 more rax for theognis
9:00 70 vs 68 Warp prism for Sage 2 more gates for Sage charge research for Sage concussive shells for theognis medivacs for theognis
10:00 84 vs 76 theognis starting to move out with his first 2 medivacs +2 armor for Sage Templar archives for Sage Sage stopped at 1 colossus and made an observer after theognis scans the natural and sees the sentries zealots and colossus theognis decides not to try and go up the ramp another observer for Sage
11:00 108 vs 97 theognis pokes into the natural as more units arrive photon overcharge on the natural nexus archon being added in for Sage Sage is able to push theognis back zealot warp in in the main of theognis ills 15 scvs and an ebay theognis attacks into the natural again
12:00 89 vs 107 theognis is forced back again 3rd CC on the way for theognis Sage chasing the army of theognis immortal startedf or Sage Sage cleans up most of the ground forces of theognis but the medivacs escape zealots still in the main of theognis
13:00 71 vs 105 zealots are finally cleaned up by theognis storm research started for Sage +3 armor for Sage zealots at the 3rd of theognis 3rd base for Sage ebay rebuilding for theognis 21 scvs have been killed now by sage
14:00 87 vs 113 2 more gates for Sage ghost academy for theognis +1 armor started for theognis armory for theognis
15:00 104 vs 135 vikings started for theognis colossus production restarted for Sage moebius reactor for theognis 2nd ebay for theognis Extended thermal lance research started for Sage drop from theognis is dealt with
0:00 theognis spawns in the top left Sage spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gateway first for Sage
2:00 gas for Sage CC first on the low ground for theognis cybernetics core for Sage rax for theognis
3:00 2nd rax for theognis 2nd gas for Sage zealot for Sage MSC for Sage stalker for Sage
4:00 bunker in the natural for theognis Nexus for Sage MSC moving out on the map for Sage double gas for theognis
5:00 Robo for Sage 3rd rax for theognis reaper for theognis theognis scouts the nexus of Sage tech lab for theognis
6:00 forge for Sage stim research started for theognis Robo bay for Sage observer for Sage Factory for theognis MSC tries to harass the natural mineral line but is chased away +1 armor for Sage ebay for theognis 3rd gas for theognis
7:00 47 vs 47 Marauders started for theognis reaper scouts the main of sage and sees the robo bay Starport for theognis Colossus started for Sage
8:00 58 v 60 +1 attac started for theognis combat shields for theognis 2 more gates for Sage Twilight council for Sage theognis breaking down the rocks for a 3rd base 2 more rax for theognis
9:00 70 vs 68 Warp prism for Sage 2 more gates for Sage charge research for Sage concussive shells for theognis medivacs for theognis
10:00 84 vs 76 theognis starting to move out with his first 2 medivacs +2 armor for Sage Templar archives for Sage Sage stopped at 1 colossus and made an observer after theognis scans the natural and sees the sentries zealots and colossus theognis decides not to try and go up the ramp another observer for Sage
11:00 108 vs 97 theognis pokes into the natural as more units arrive photon overcharge on the natural nexus archon being added in for Sage Sage is able to push theognis back zealot warp in in the main of theognis ills 15 scvs and an ebay theognis attacks into the natural again
12:00 89 vs 107 theognis is forced back again 3rd CC on the way for theognis Sage chasing the army of theognis immortal startedf or Sage Sage cleans up most of the ground forces of theognis but the medivacs escape zealots still in the main of theognis
13:00 71 vs 105 zealots are finally cleaned up by theognis storm research started for Sage +3 armor for Sage zealots at the 3rd of theognis 3rd base for Sage ebay rebuilding for theognis 21 scvs have been killed now by sage
14:00 87 vs 113 2 more gates for Sage ghost academy for theognis +1 armor started for theognis armory for theognis
15:00 104 vs 135 vikings started for theognis colossus production restarted for Sage moebius reactor for theognis 2nd ebay for theognis Extended thermal lance research started for Sage drop from theognis is dealt with
16:00 127 vs 165 triple drop at the 3rd of Sage is deflected and chased away ghost production started for theognis +2 attack started for theognis 2nd starport for theognis
17:00 152 vs 177 zealot drop in the main of theognis is cleaned up warp prism is killed by vikings 3 more rax for theognis 4th base for Sage 2nd robo for Sage Blink research started for Sage +1 attack started for Sage theognis switching back to medivacs
18:00 167 vs 185 4th for theognis medivacs with units in them are caught and killed warp prism speed for Sage +2 armor for theognis 4 more gates for Sage dark shrine for Sage
19:00 180 vs 192 7 gates building for Sage now double drop in the 4th of Sage feedback on the medivac Sage sends his army to clean it up theognis escapes with 1 medivac of units +3 attack started for theognis theognis floating out his 4th base
20:00 191 vs 194 storm drop in the 3rd of theognis as well as some zealots dropped drop in the 4th of Sage is chased away defensive planetary for theognis building at the base of his natural ramp double colossus production for Sage +1 ship weapons started for theognis
0:00 theognis spawns in the top left Sage spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gateway first for Sage
2:00 gas for Sage CC first on the low ground for theognis cybernetics core for Sage rax for theognis
3:00 2nd rax for theognis 2nd gas for Sage zealot for Sage MSC for Sage stalker for Sage
4:00 bunker in the natural for theognis Nexus for Sage MSC moving out on the map for Sage double gas for theognis
5:00 Robo for Sage 3rd rax for theognis reaper for theognis theognis scouts the nexus of Sage tech lab for theognis
6:00 forge for Sage stim research started for theognis Robo bay for Sage observer for Sage Factory for theognis MSC tries to harass the natural mineral line but is chased away +1 armor for Sage ebay for theognis 3rd gas for theognis
7:00 47 vs 47 Marauders started for theognis reaper scouts the main of sage and sees the robo bay Starport for theognis Colossus started for Sage
8:00 58 v 60 +1 attac started for theognis combat shields for theognis 2 more gates for Sage Twilight council for Sage theognis breaking down the rocks for a 3rd base 2 more rax for theognis
9:00 70 vs 68 Warp prism for Sage 2 more gates for Sage charge research for Sage concussive shells for theognis medivacs for theognis
10:00 84 vs 76 theognis starting to move out with his first 2 medivacs +2 armor for Sage Templar archives for Sage Sage stopped at 1 colossus and made an observer after theognis scans the natural and sees the sentries zealots and colossus theognis decides not to try and go up the ramp another observer for Sage
11:00 108 vs 97 theognis pokes into the natural as more units arrive photon overcharge on the natural nexus archon being added in for Sage Sage is able to push theognis back zealot warp in in the main of theognis ills 15 scvs and an ebay theognis attacks into the natural again
12:00 89 vs 107 theognis is forced back again 3rd CC on the way for theognis Sage chasing the army of theognis immortal startedf or Sage Sage cleans up most of the ground forces of theognis but the medivacs escape zealots still in the main of theognis
13:00 71 vs 105 zealots are finally cleaned up by theognis storm research started for Sage +3 armor for Sage zealots at the 3rd of theognis 3rd base for Sage ebay rebuilding for theognis 21 scvs have been killed now by sage
14:00 87 vs 113 2 more gates for Sage ghost academy for theognis +1 armor started for theognis armory for theognis
15:00 104 vs 135 vikings started for theognis colossus production restarted for Sage moebius reactor for theognis 2nd ebay for theognis Extended thermal lance research started for Sage drop from theognis is dealt with
16:00 127 vs 165 triple drop at the 3rd of Sage is deflected and chased away ghost production started for theognis +2 attack started for theognis 2nd starport for theognis
17:00 152 vs 177 zealot drop in the main of theognis is cleaned up warp prism is killed by vikings 3 more rax for theognis 4th base for Sage 2nd robo for Sage Blink research started for Sage +1 attack started for Sage theognis switching back to medivacs
18:00 167 vs 185 4th for theognis medivacs with units in them are caught and killed warp prism speed for Sage +2 armor for theognis 4 more gates for Sage dark shrine for Sage
19:00 180 vs 192 7 gates building for Sage now double drop in the 4th of Sage feedback on the medivac Sage sends his army to clean it up theognis escapes with 1 medivac of units +3 attack started for theognis theognis floating out his 4th base
20:00 191 vs 194 storm drop in the 3rd of theognis as well as some zealots dropped drop in the 4th of Sage is chased away defensive planetary for theognis building at the base of his natural ramp double colossus production for Sage +1 ship weapons started for theognis
21:00 199 vs 200 +2 attack started for Sage 4 colossi out for Sage and only a few vikings Sage starting to move across the map 3 more CCs for theognis Sage sending in a DT to harass the army of theognis 15 ghosts out for theognis
22:00 200 vs 199 missile turrets going up for theognis another CC for theognis cloak research started for theognis sage putting up cannons at his forward pylon armies get close in the middle of the map but Sage zones with storm and backs up
23:00 187 vs 193 feedback on a few ghosts and a storm hits theognis' army theognis replacing the supply with 5 more ghosts and 4 vikings 5th base for Sage in the top right +2 ship weapons for theognis +3 armor for theognis +3 attack started for Sage
24:00 199 vs 200 3rd robo for Sage observer speed for Sage drop at the 5th of Sage forces a cancel DT harassing the army of theognis but it's killed off theognis floating out a 5th CC to the left side of the map
25:00 194 vs 194 2nd ghost academy for theognis 2 warp prisms for Sage Sage picks off a morphing defensive PF Sage attacking towards the natural theognis' army is forcefielded back archons get hit by emps and killed off Sage retreating as theognis starts chasing him
0:00 theognis spawns in the top left Sage spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gateway first for Sage
2:00 gas for Sage CC first on the low ground for theognis cybernetics core for Sage rax for theognis
3:00 2nd rax for theognis 2nd gas for Sage zealot for Sage MSC for Sage stalker for Sage
4:00 bunker in the natural for theognis Nexus for Sage MSC moving out on the map for Sage double gas for theognis
5:00 Robo for Sage 3rd rax for theognis reaper for theognis theognis scouts the nexus of Sage tech lab for theognis
6:00 forge for Sage stim research started for theognis Robo bay for Sage observer for Sage Factory for theognis MSC tries to harass the natural mineral line but is chased away +1 armor for Sage ebay for theognis 3rd gas for theognis
7:00 47 vs 47 Marauders started for theognis reaper scouts the main of sage and sees the robo bay Starport for theognis Colossus started for Sage
8:00 58 v 60 +1 attac started for theognis combat shields for theognis 2 more gates for Sage Twilight council for Sage theognis breaking down the rocks for a 3rd base 2 more rax for theognis
9:00 70 vs 68 Warp prism for Sage 2 more gates for Sage charge research for Sage concussive shells for theognis medivacs for theognis
10:00 84 vs 76 theognis starting to move out with his first 2 medivacs +2 armor for Sage Templar archives for Sage Sage stopped at 1 colossus and made an observer after theognis scans the natural and sees the sentries zealots and colossus theognis decides not to try and go up the ramp another observer for Sage
11:00 108 vs 97 theognis pokes into the natural as more units arrive photon overcharge on the natural nexus archon being added in for Sage Sage is able to push theognis back zealot warp in in the main of theognis ills 15 scvs and an ebay theognis attacks into the natural again
12:00 89 vs 107 theognis is forced back again 3rd CC on the way for theognis Sage chasing the army of theognis immortal startedf or Sage Sage cleans up most of the ground forces of theognis but the medivacs escape zealots still in the main of theognis
13:00 71 vs 105 zealots are finally cleaned up by theognis storm research started for Sage +3 armor for Sage zealots at the 3rd of theognis 3rd base for Sage ebay rebuilding for theognis 21 scvs have been killed now by sage
14:00 87 vs 113 2 more gates for Sage ghost academy for theognis +1 armor started for theognis armory for theognis
15:00 104 vs 135 vikings started for theognis colossus production restarted for Sage moebius reactor for theognis 2nd ebay for theognis Extended thermal lance research started for Sage drop from theognis is dealt with
16:00 127 vs 165 triple drop at the 3rd of Sage is deflected and chased away ghost production started for theognis +2 attack started for theognis 2nd starport for theognis
17:00 152 vs 177 zealot drop in the main of theognis is cleaned up warp prism is killed by vikings 3 more rax for theognis 4th base for Sage 2nd robo for Sage Blink research started for Sage +1 attack started for Sage theognis switching back to medivacs
18:00 167 vs 185 4th for theognis medivacs with units in them are caught and killed warp prism speed for Sage +2 armor for theognis 4 more gates for Sage dark shrine for Sage
19:00 180 vs 192 7 gates building for Sage now double drop in the 4th of Sage feedback on the medivac Sage sends his army to clean it up theognis escapes with 1 medivac of units +3 attack started for theognis theognis floating out his 4th base
20:00 191 vs 194 storm drop in the 3rd of theognis as well as some zealots dropped drop in the 4th of Sage is chased away defensive planetary for theognis building at the base of his natural ramp double colossus production for Sage +1 ship weapons started for theognis
21:00 199 vs 200 +2 attack started for Sage 4 colossi out for Sage and only a few vikings Sage starting to move across the map 3 more CCs for theognis Sage sending in a DT to harass the army of theognis 15 ghosts out for theognis
22:00 200 vs 199 missile turrets going up for theognis another CC for theognis cloak research started for theognis sage putting up cannons at his forward pylon armies get close in the middle of the map but Sage zones with storm and backs up
23:00 187 vs 193 feedback on a few ghosts and a storm hits theognis' army theognis replacing the supply with 5 more ghosts and 4 vikings 5th base for Sage in the top right +2 ship weapons for theognis +3 armor for theognis +3 attack started for Sage
24:00 199 vs 200 3rd robo for Sage observer speed for Sage drop at the 5th of Sage forces a cancel DT harassing the army of theognis but it's killed off theognis floating out a 5th CC to the left side of the map
25:00 194 vs 194 2nd ghost academy for theognis 2 warp prisms for Sage Sage picks off a morphing defensive PF Sage attacking towards the natural theognis' army is forcefielded back archons get hit by emps and killed off Sage retreating as theognis starts chasing him
26:00 185 vs 194 harass at the 5th of theognis is cleaned up nuke started for theognis sensor tower going up for theognis viking scouts a warp prism near the 5th of theognis Sage pushing towards the main of theognis theognis sent his whole army to chase a warp prism 5th base for Sage
27:00 194 vs 196 sage backed off and theognis repositions his army part of theognis's army gets caught alone Sage attacks the 5th of theognis DT drop in the main of theognis theognis losing production and supply depots to DTs theognis counter attacking across the map
28:00 175 vs 194 Sage moving to meet the army of theognis ghosts cloak and emp the army of Sage no observer with the army Sage storming and running theognis chasing the protoss army theognis's viking count is drastically reduced DTs killing stuff in the main still observer meets up with the protoss army
29:00 150 vs 176 engagement in the middle of the map no vikings left but only 1 colossus alive theognis still losing his army theognis ggs! Sage wins game 1!
On July 25 2013 07:29 KristofferAG wrote: Mike just go back to the old standardized recommendation polls. Stop being radical.
I'll mix it up. you never know which style is coming next
Just use the yes no meh.
Please.
STars are dumb and ugly and they were swapped out because people gave 5 or 1 star.
that was 1 argument. the other was that people vote yes when their favorite wins, no when their favorite loses
You can try all you want to get rid of the fanboy vote but you wont be able to. They'll still vote 5 for yes and 1 for no. Anything other than a simple Yes/No/Meh is dumb.
On July 25 2013 07:38 Fusilero wrote: OP recaps were nice when seeker did them, often told me if a match was actually interesting or not.
It's a bit demanding though, if the OP is also doing full LRs. But yeah, what seeker did was good. I just don't expect people to write a full paragraph per game.
0:00 theognis spawns in the bottom left Sage spawns in the top right
!:30 gas first for theognis gateway first for Sage rax first for theognis gas for Sage
2:00 pylon out near a potential 3rd base for Sage south of his main, possibly proxying something cybernetics core for sage
3:00 2nd gas for Sage factory for theognis MSC for Sage
4:00 theognis scouts the main and sees the lack of a pylon that should be there Starport for theognis widow mine for theognis Nexus for Sage
5:00 medivac for theognis hellion for theognis widow mine and marines kill the MSC of Sage as it tries to enter the main of theognis Robo for Sage
6:00 2 more gates for Sage CC on the low ground for theognis new MSC out for Sage observer for Sage marine widow mine drop in the main of Sage 2 probes killed by the widow mine hellion runby into the natural of Sage
7:00 41 vs 37 theognis escapes with the medivac and a few marines 3rd CC for theognis 5 workers were killed by the harass siege tank for theognis theognis moving his natural CC back into the main when a few stalkers chase his hellions back across the map 2 bunkers for theognis in his main
8:00 50 vs 45 drop in the main of Sage photon overcharge on the main nexus another observer for Sage another rax for theognis forge for Sage twilight council for Sage 3rd rax for theognis
9:00 48 vs 52 stim research started for theognis +1 attack started for Sage ebay for theognis blink research started for Sage Marauders started for theognis
10:00 66 vs 62 4 more gates for Sage +1 attack started for theognis 7 gates total for Sage 2nd ebay for theognis missile turret at the front for theognis double medivac production for theognis
i have the problem that i think theognis not believe in hisself, BECAUSE he play his teammate, BECAUSE he know sages skill, and also because sage know what theognis is capable of and not underestimate him ... everything together makes me think that as much i love him, theognis has no chance
i mean vs who does theognis train tvp if not vs sage ^^
edit: thats what i mean .. he want save a bit and let a bit and got nothing, if he a click the nexus the nexus will go down, or go out faster but half half so he got NOTHN
On July 25 2013 07:41 Drake wrote: i have the problem that i think theognis not believe in hisself, BECAUSE he play his teammate, BECAUSE he know sages skill, and also because sage know what theognis is capable of and not underestimate him ... everything together makes me think that as much i love him, theognis has no chance
i mean vs who does theognis train tvp if not vs sage ^^
On July 25 2013 07:41 Drake wrote: i have the problem that i think theognis not believe in hisself, BECAUSE he play his teammate, BECAUSE he know sages skill, and also because sage know what theognis is capable of and not underestimate him ... everything together makes me think that as much i love him, theognis has no chance
i mean vs who does theognis train tvp if not vs sage ^^
I just think Sage is better. Plain and simple.
^^ well thats too
but its theognis, hes so much likeable i wanted to have another reason then "well you worse"
0:00 aLive spawns in the bottom left Suppy spawns in the top right
2:00 hatch first for Suppy CC first on the low ground for aLive pool for Suppy rax for aLive
3:00 gas for aLive
4:00 bunker in the natural for aLive factory for aLive
5:00 reactor for aLive double gas for Suppy 3rd CC for aLive
6:00 reactored hellion production started for aLive 3rd base for Suppy Roach warren for suppy tech lab for aLive stim research started for aLive another gas for aLive another gas for Suppy
7:00 45 vs 54 a few roaches started for Suppy hellions scout the 3rd of Suppy double ebay for aLive ling speed for Suppy another gas for Suppy double evo for Suppy 2 more rax for aLive 1-1 started for aLive
8:00 54 vs 70 Marauder started for aLive 1-1 ling upgrades started for Suppy Lair started for Suppy Starport for aLive spores going up Suppy
9:00 59 87 overlord speed for Suppy combat shields for aLive baneling nest for Suppy
If anyone wants to give LRing a shot today just to try it out feel free. I have a couple of things I have to take care of so I'll be around to post polls and update the OP and everything but I cant focus enough on the games to LR atm
Little observation: Suppy's lings went to aLive's expansion, mine killed the lings and 1 SCV making gas, aLive took forever to send another SCV to build the gas.
On July 25 2013 08:33 stuchiu wrote: Alive has really improved his late game since HotS in TvZ.
Is it enough to beat Suppy in this position?
Maybe, he is legitimately trying to grind this game into an economic stand still. If he can sneak a base, he might still have a chance, or really good WM hits.
On July 25 2013 08:33 stuchiu wrote: Alive has really improved his late game since HotS in TvZ.
Is it enough to beat Suppy in this position?
Maybe, he is legitimately trying to grind this game into an economic stand still. If he can sneak a base, he might still have a chance, or really good WM hits.
With the current supply difference, would it be a little late for aLive to win by attrition?
On July 25 2013 08:33 stuchiu wrote: Alive has really improved his late game since HotS in TvZ.
it's because he doesnt have to worry about splitting in the mid game anymore so he can get to the late game in a good position
Crud I didn't even realize how infestors made splitting bio such a hugenormous part of TvZ :O compared to how it is now
well alive was also pretty terrible at splitting vs banes in WoL but now he can hold position his marauders and run behind the widow mines to make up for that not being a strong suit for him
On July 25 2013 08:39 hifriend wrote: I feel like suppy could have gone straight for the natural and killed him at any point in the last 10 minutes or so.
On July 25 2013 08:33 stuchiu wrote: Alive has really improved his late game since HotS in TvZ.
Is it enough to beat Suppy in this position?
Maybe, he is legitimately trying to grind this game into an economic stand still. If he can sneak a base, he might still have a chance, or really good WM hits.
With the current supply difference, would it be a little late for aLive to win by attrition?
Alive is dead I think. But he might think Suppy has a Tefel factor in him or something.
On July 25 2013 08:39 hifriend wrote: I feel like suppy could have gone straight for the natural and killed him at any point in the last 10 minutes or so.
With so many drops going around, I kind of prefer this method of just closing off Alive's chances and letting his semi-risky drop tactics starve Alive out instead.
On July 25 2013 08:33 stuchiu wrote: Alive has really improved his late game since HotS in TvZ.
it's because he doesnt have to worry about splitting in the mid game anymore so he can get to the late game in a good position
Crud I didn't even realize how infestors made splitting bio such a hugenormous part of TvZ :O compared to how it is now
well alive was also pretty terrible at splitting vs banes in WoL but now he can hold position his marauders and run behind the widow mines to make up for that not being a strong suit for him
Interesting ! How does mines vs banes differ from tanks vs banes? (noob question -_-)
Poll: What would you recommend in Suppy vs aLive game 1?
Entertainment Value (2)
33%
none (2)
33%
Level of play (1)
17%
all 4 criterion (1)
17%
Build order (0)
0%
Sick Micro (0)
0%
Level of Play and Entertainment Value (0)
0%
Level of Play and Build order (0)
0%
Level of play and Micro (0)
0%
Entertainment Value and Micro (0)
0%
Entertainment value and Build order (0)
0%
Build order and Micro (0)
0%
Level of Play, Entertainment Value, and Build order (0)
0%
Level of Play, Entertainment Value, and Micro (0)
0%
Level of Play, Build order, and Micro (0)
0%
Entertainment Value, Build order, and Micro (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: What would you recommend in Suppy vs aLive game 1?
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On July 25 2013 08:33 stuchiu wrote: Alive has really improved his late game since HotS in TvZ.
Is it enough to beat Suppy in this position?
Maybe, he is legitimately trying to grind this game into an economic stand still. If he can sneak a base, he might still have a chance, or really good WM hits.
With the current supply difference, would it be a little late for aLive to win by attrition?
Alive is dead I think. But he might think Suppy has a Tefel factor in him or something.
Hoping that Tefel has a Tefel factor worked for MVP?
On July 25 2013 08:39 hifriend wrote: I feel like suppy could have gone straight for the natural and killed him at any point in the last 10 minutes or so.
With so many drops going around, I kind of prefer this method of just closing off Alive's chances and letting his semi-risky drop tactics starve Alive out instead.
It's different than what most zergs would do which is just straight up attacking. Suppy's playstyle is much more methodical and patient which I prefer as well.
Incredible game by both players. Suppy playing brilliantly and gaining a strong lead, but Alive just hanging on in there and doing everything he could to turn the game back in his favour.
On July 25 2013 08:33 stuchiu wrote: Alive has really improved his late game since HotS in TvZ.
Is it enough to beat Suppy in this position?
Maybe, he is legitimately trying to grind this game into an economic stand still. If he can sneak a base, he might still have a chance, or really good WM hits.
With the current supply difference, would it be a little late for aLive to win by attrition?
Alive is dead I think. But he might think Suppy has a Tefel factor in him or something.
Hoping that Tefel has a Tefel factor worked for MVP?
Mvp changed the meta of the terran vs tefel match-up
Sorry Shellshock, but if I'm too lazy just to read through that entire second poll, so are other people. It sounds lazy and stupid, but unfortunately that's the reality. Now, that's not to say not sufficient people will vote for it to be worth it, but I don't think it's necessary. That's my feedback (this isn't meant to sound mean if it does)
On July 25 2013 08:44 Zenbrez wrote: Sorry Shellshock, but if I'm too lazy just to read through that entire second poll, so are other people. It sounds lazy and stupid, but unfortunately that's the reality. Now, that's not to say not sufficient people will vote for it to be worth it, but I don't think it's necessary. That's my feedback (this isn't meant to sound mean if it does)
haha dont worry i dont think it's a serious suggestion
On July 25 2013 08:44 Zenbrez wrote: Sorry Shellshock, but if I'm too lazy just to read through that entire second poll, so are other people. It sounds lazy and stupid, but unfortunately that's the reality. Now, that's not to say not sufficient people will vote for it to be worth it, but I don't think it's necessary. That's my feedback (this isn't meant to sound mean if it does)
Pretty much. Most people just look at my predictions when I write and just skim/skip the article unless I'm writing from the book of Major.
On July 25 2013 08:44 Zenbrez wrote: Sorry Shellshock, but if I'm too lazy just to read through that entire second poll, so are other people. It sounds lazy and stupid, but unfortunately that's the reality. Now, that's not to say not sufficient people will vote for it to be worth it, but I don't think it's necessary. That's my feedback (this isn't meant to sound mean if it does)
Pretty much. Most people just look at my predictions when I write and just skim/skip the article unless I'm writing from the book of Major.
nah, everyboy reads everything you write dont be so negative
On July 25 2013 08:44 Zenbrez wrote: Sorry Shellshock, but if I'm too lazy just to read through that entire second poll, so are other people. It sounds lazy and stupid, but unfortunately that's the reality. Now, that's not to say not sufficient people will vote for it to be worth it, but I don't think it's necessary. That's my feedback (this isn't meant to sound mean if it does)
Pretty much. Most people just look at my predictions when I write and just skim/skip the article unless I'm writing from the book of Major.
I'd say I've read about 80-90% of what you've ever written in featured news. That's why my opinion of you is so low.
On July 25 2013 08:44 Zenbrez wrote: Sorry Shellshock, but if I'm too lazy just to read through that entire second poll, so are other people. It sounds lazy and stupid, but unfortunately that's the reality. Now, that's not to say not sufficient people will vote for it to be worth it, but I don't think it's necessary. That's my feedback (this isn't meant to sound mean if it does)
Pretty much. Most people just look at my predictions when I write and just skim/skip the article unless I'm writing from the book of Major.
On July 25 2013 08:44 Zenbrez wrote: Sorry Shellshock, but if I'm too lazy just to read through that entire second poll, so are other people. It sounds lazy and stupid, but unfortunately that's the reality. Now, that's not to say not sufficient people will vote for it to be worth it, but I don't think it's necessary. That's my feedback (this isn't meant to sound mean if it does)
Pretty much. Most people just look at my predictions when I write and just skim/skip the article unless I'm writing from the book of Major.
I'd say I've read about 80-90% of what you've ever written in featured news. That's why my opinion of you is so low.
Just kidding, you're ok.
Ehehehehehe
I skim everything SC2-related unless I've missed some games, whcih I usually don't cus I have no life.
On July 25 2013 08:52 Aerisky wrote: Wow ridiculously good defense by suppy
If it hadn't been for the clown I wouldn't have detected the sarcasm. True story.
Actually I legitimately thought that was pretty good defense, my numrow is broken so I had to use a bracket instead of a parenthesis T.T so is suppy super behind or not?
I thought it was pretty good and people were making fun of the casters for saying he was super dead, but now I'm not sure D: it does seem like suppy's behind but not super screwed
On July 25 2013 08:52 Aerisky wrote: Wow ridiculously good defense by suppy
If it hadn't been for the clown I wouldn't have detected the sarcasm. True story.
Actually I legitimately thought that was pretty good defense, my numrow is broken so I had to use a bracket instead of a parenthesis T.T so is suppy super behind or not? I thought it was pretty good and people were making fun of the casters for saying he was super dead, but now I'm not sure D:
Well, aLive lost basically nothing in the pressure, while forcing numerous Zerglings to be made instead of Drones, and then he killed most of those Zerglings, along with a handful Droness. He also forced a Spine Crawler to be made. And he lost nothing. Except 1 SCV.
On July 25 2013 08:52 Aerisky wrote: Wow ridiculously good defense by suppy
If it hadn't been for the clown I wouldn't have detected the sarcasm. True story.
Actually I legitimately thought that was pretty good defense, my numrow is broken so I had to use a bracket instead of a parenthesis T.T so is suppy super behind or not? I thought it was pretty good and people were making fun of the casters for saying he was super dead, but now I'm not sure D:
Well, aLive lost basically nothing in the pressure, while forcing numerous Zerglings to be made instead of Drones, and then he killed most of those Zerglings, along with a handful Droness. He also forced a Spine Crawler to be made. And he lost nothing. Except 1 SCV.
On July 25 2013 08:52 Aerisky wrote: Wow ridiculously good defense by suppy
If it hadn't been for the clown I wouldn't have detected the sarcasm. True story.
Actually I legitimately thought that was pretty good defense, my numrow is broken so I had to use a bracket instead of a parenthesis T.T so is suppy super behind or not? I thought it was pretty good and people were making fun of the casters for saying he was super dead, but now I'm not sure D:
Well, aLive lost basically nothing in the pressure, while forcing numerous Zerglings to be made instead of Drones, and then he killed most of those Zerglings, along with a handful Droness. He also forced a Spine Crawler to be made. And he lost nothing. Except 1 SCV.
That was not a good defense at all.
Oh okay darn, I want suppy to advance D:
Well suppy looks pretty dead now for sure :X
These days that's considered bad defense. Good defense is killing the Reapers while losing 0 Drones... Actually that's the standard because Zergs should be used to this by now, Terrans have been doing this since the HotS beta. D:
On July 25 2013 09:07 GenesisX wrote: suppy should just roach bane all in. It's how he won against Ryung in season 1
He knew Ryung goes for a 3CC opening every single TvZ. He knows aLive doesn't. Why would he go for a Roach Baneling all-in when he doesn't know it's a 100% win?
On July 25 2013 09:14 Aerisky wrote: UGH six pool vs fourteencc?? ARGH also suppy supplyblocked :[
Yeah he didn't really get any serious damage done at all with the lings. Surprising tbh considering he was inside aLive's base before any Marines were out.
On July 25 2013 09:14 Tachion wrote: If Suppy had brought a few more drones it looked like he would have won when he engaged the scvs? Idk, hard to tell exactly.
yes, i think that a drone pull would have won him the game
On July 25 2013 09:14 Tachion wrote: If Suppy had brought a few more drones it looked like he would have won when he engaged the scvs? Idk, hard to tell exactly.
yes, i think that a drone pull would have won him the game
Well he did pull 3 Drones. Then he lost two way too early.
On July 25 2013 09:14 Tachion wrote: If Suppy had brought a few more drones it looked like he would have won when he engaged the scvs? Idk, hard to tell exactly.
yes, i think that a drone pull would have won him the game
Nope. He should have targetted the buildingscv's for CC and depots and poked the mining scvs but not engage them. If u dont have depots...no marines.
On July 25 2013 09:14 Tachion wrote: If Suppy had brought a few more drones it looked like he would have won when he engaged the scvs? Idk, hard to tell exactly.
yes, i think that a drone pull would have won him the game
Well I didn't see it but isn't he supposed to win even without the drones? he just can't get surrounded, that's all, isn't it?
On July 25 2013 09:14 Tachion wrote: If Suppy had brought a few more drones it looked like he would have won when he engaged the scvs? Idk, hard to tell exactly.
yes, i think that a drone pull would have won him the game
Well I didn't see it but isn't he supposed to win even without the drones? he just can't get surrounded, that's all, isn't it?
He shouldn't have pulled (that many) drones. Blocking the wall is nice but not necessary. If anything, it forced aLive to start his barracks with his initial 150 minerals next to his CC, which would have been a faster rax than if he had started it on the wall, but had to start a 2nd next to the CC and cancel the one at front. aLive put his depot on the wrong side - if it was to the left, the rax on the right can be reinforced by an ebay or 2nd rax behind it that will finish the wall (see: Suppy vs Polt in MLG). However, because aLive's depot was to the right, that meant that the rax was in the more open side of the wall, which would require more than a 2nd rax to wall behind, which means the wall would be open when the rax would inevitably fall to lings (lings can take down a rax before it finishes).
So if Suppy had kept more drones at home instead of pulling them to delay the rax, aLive would have a slower marine coming out, and Suppy would have more lings and would have still breached the wall. Eventually, you reach a critical mass of lings (10+) where an scv surround no longer matters.
On July 25 2013 09:19 IntoTheheart wrote: "Juan I am so mad at you right now," before he tapped out.
Idea was solid, execution was bad
Yea. Suppy's control was quite subpar. I think any Korean Zerg would have won with the 6 pool then and there.
a 6pool can be held with cc on lowground easier then everything on ramp without a walloff, because it gives more time. Yes, bad execution, he was so close
On July 25 2013 09:20 KristofferAG wrote: I think Juan should be the mad one yo.
Ya... isn't 6-pool versus CC first supposed to be able to cancel the CC even?
Depends on the map distance/how many times the scv is sniped/forced to pull off and reposition. I had a game on Bel'shir Vestige where my CC was canceled at 99% build progress
Could this be one of the more polarizing polls so far?
It's basically 6 for yes and 5 for no.
But don't we usually see a bit more of 2-4 stars in there as well?
4 and 2 are dumb. What does 4 mean? Barely above meh but not really recommended to watch? 2 is barely below meh but maybe you'll like it?
I think the reason we stopped using the stars was because the more popular polls basically ended up with 2 and 4 being unused. It basically became Yes/Meh/No with stars instead of words.
Suppy only has himself to blame, he had an BO win but screwed up the execution. Major was actually correct in his suggestion, Suppy was the one who screwed up.
Could this be one of the more polarizing polls so far?
It's basically 6 for yes and 5 for no.
But don't we usually see a bit more of 2-4 stars in there as well?
4 and 2 are dumb. What does 4 mean? Barely above meh but not really recommended to watch? 2 is barely below meh but maybe you'll like it?
I think the reason we stopped using the stars was because the more popular polls basically ended up with 2 and 4 being unused. It basically became Yes/Meh/No with stars instead of words.
I see it as 1 = horrible 2 = bad but not the worst game ever 3 = average game 4 = good game but not great 5 = great game
Could this be one of the more polarizing polls so far?
It's basically 6 for yes and 5 for no.
But don't we usually see a bit more of 2-4 stars in there as well?
4 and 2 are dumb. What does 4 mean? Barely above meh but not really recommended to watch? 2 is barely below meh but maybe you'll like it?
I think the reason we stopped using the stars was because the more popular polls basically ended up with 2 and 4 being unused. It basically became Yes/Meh/No with stars instead of words.
I see it as 1 = horrible 2 = bad but not the worst game ever 3 = average game 4 = good game but not great 5 = great game
but I guess it's all subjective
I just think it's unnecessary. For it to work you'd need a pretty big amount of votes, at least around 30-50. However, people will still be voting with a yes or no attitude. I jsut don't have faith in it.
Could this be one of the more polarizing polls so far?
It's basically 6 for yes and 5 for no.
But don't we usually see a bit more of 2-4 stars in there as well?
4 and 2 are dumb. What does 4 mean? Barely above meh but not really recommended to watch? 2 is barely below meh but maybe you'll like it?
I think the reason we stopped using the stars was because the more popular polls basically ended up with 2 and 4 being unused. It basically became Yes/Meh/No with stars instead of words.
I started here in TL in like 2010, so which came first? Stars or "yes/no/ifyouhavetime?"
Could this be one of the more polarizing polls so far?
It's basically 6 for yes and 5 for no.
But don't we usually see a bit more of 2-4 stars in there as well?
4 and 2 are dumb. What does 4 mean? Barely above meh but not really recommended to watch? 2 is barely below meh but maybe you'll like it?
I think the reason we stopped using the stars was because the more popular polls basically ended up with 2 and 4 being unused. It basically became Yes/Meh/No with stars instead of words.
I started here in TL in like 2010, so which came first? Stars or "yes/no/ifyouhavetime?"
Back and forth and back and forth. Seeker did like reviews for a while, and that was all nice. There were some LR threads where the OP just wrote a line or two on whether or not a game was recommended and why. The yes/No/Maybe has been most popular afaik. It's simple and it works.
Could this be one of the more polarizing polls so far?
It's basically 6 for yes and 5 for no.
But don't we usually see a bit more of 2-4 stars in there as well?
4 and 2 are dumb. What does 4 mean? Barely above meh but not really recommended to watch? 2 is barely below meh but maybe you'll like it?
I think the reason we stopped using the stars was because the more popular polls basically ended up with 2 and 4 being unused. It basically became Yes/Meh/No with stars instead of words.
I started here in TL in like 2010, so which came first? Stars or "yes/no/ifyouhavetime?"
So you're account is older than KristofferAG's, he can't help you there and you should actually feel superior!
Could this be one of the more polarizing polls so far?
It's basically 6 for yes and 5 for no.
But don't we usually see a bit more of 2-4 stars in there as well?
4 and 2 are dumb. What does 4 mean? Barely above meh but not really recommended to watch? 2 is barely below meh but maybe you'll like it?
I think the reason we stopped using the stars was because the more popular polls basically ended up with 2 and 4 being unused. It basically became Yes/Meh/No with stars instead of words.
I started here in TL in like 2010, so which came first? Stars or "yes/no/ifyouhavetime?"
So you're account is older than KristofferAG's, he can't help you there and you should actually feel superior!
Probably yes/no/if you have time, though.
I lurked doe.
I've been here so long man.
Like 08. Though I just wanted to find campaign walkthroughs back then.
Could this be one of the more polarizing polls so far?
It's basically 6 for yes and 5 for no.
But don't we usually see a bit more of 2-4 stars in there as well?
4 and 2 are dumb. What does 4 mean? Barely above meh but not really recommended to watch? 2 is barely below meh but maybe you'll like it?
I think the reason we stopped using the stars was because the more popular polls basically ended up with 2 and 4 being unused. It basically became Yes/Meh/No with stars instead of words.
I started here in TL in like 2010, so which came first? Stars or "yes/no/ifyouhavetime?"
So you're account is older than KristofferAG's, he can't help you there and you should actually feel superior!
On July 25 2013 09:37 Shellshock1122 wrote: so if they are making them play on Korhal Sky Island so much today will they force everyone to play on Red City tomorrow?
If there's PvP sure; t/z know better than to play on protoss city
On July 25 2013 09:37 Shellshock1122 wrote: so if they are making them play on Korhal Sky Island so much today will they force everyone to play on Red City tomorrow?
If there's PvP sure; everyone else too sane to play on protoss city
protoss city protoss whirlpool protoss station protoss wastes
On July 25 2013 09:37 Shellshock1122 wrote: so if they are making them play on Korhal Sky Island so much today will they force everyone to play on Red City tomorrow?
If there's PvP sure; everyone else too sane to play on protoss city
protoss city protoss whirlpool protoss station protoss wastes
On July 25 2013 09:32 sharkie wrote: why is suppy blaming major?
isnt 6pool vs 14cc a gift?
It's a BO win.
Its not a bo win if the rax gets planted in time. After that terran wins the game. Long discussion in helpmethread.. Polt showed howto do it with an extra ebay behind the rax for peeps with less mcro.
Alive wrecked Sage with his first push. Sage was going for a huge all-in with archons and collosi but got caught teching too hard on 2 base.
Watch VOD. If it was a huge all-in why did Sage have a third on the way?
He started the third after he lost his collosi. Going for fast collosi, +1 weapons, charge, and fast templar on two base is pretty all-iny. I don't see much of a reason to get all of that tech that fast unless you want to go for a heavy attack. If he was going for the long game, he should have replaced the templar archives with another forge and gotten +1 armor.
On July 25 2013 09:32 sharkie wrote: why is suppy blaming major?
isnt 6pool vs 14cc a gift?
It's a BO win.
Its not a bo win if the rax gets planted in time. After that terran wins the game. Long discussion in helpmethread.. Polt showed howto do it with an extra ebay behind the rax for peeps with less mcro.
It's a BO win. It's as hard counter of a build as possible. Proper execution of the 6 pool is a win imo.
On July 25 2013 09:32 sharkie wrote: why is suppy blaming major?
isnt 6pool vs 14cc a gift?
It's a BO win.
Its not a bo win if the rax gets planted in time. After that terran wins the game. Long discussion in helpmethread.. Polt showed howto do it with an extra ebay behind the rax for peeps with less mcro.
It's a BO win. It's as hard counter of a build as possible. Proper execution of the 6 pool is a win imo.
if the rax gets planted for a ful walloff with aan ebay behind it, its a 100% bo loss for the 6pool
Still a pretty potent allin, and I like his transition, that WP with a Dark Shrine coming up is going to pin back Alive even more, let Sage get up his additional infrastructure. Smart play
On July 25 2013 09:59 KristofferAG wrote: Wow Sage is on top of this game. Except for that superdumb blink. He even had the watchtower.
would have been a pretty reasonable blink in my view, if he got the medivacs. the only two medivacs in alives army at the time, he miscalculated by about 10-30 hp. : (
On July 25 2013 10:19 IntoTheheart wrote: I wanna see Suppy > Theognis so we avoid a TvT.
But.... Hellbats got nerfed. TvT is good again. D:
TvT and TvZ have always been the best matchups in SC2. Either way is good for the viewer.
A matter of preference I guess. I always liked PvZ to some level... but PvP for a while was horrible for me to watch. There's a limit on how much 4gating I can put up with but that's not a big deal anymore.
Looks like I tuned in on one of those evenings where Sage played well, which is nice.
Quietly impressed that Sage and Yugioh are staying relevant while on Root too. Too often Kr players join a foreign team and coast, but the boys over at Root must be doing something right with them.
Is it true that you're supposed to move your 14 CC 1 hex over, to give less surface area for lings to attack? I've been doing that lately because someone told me a pro said it, but I haven't seen pros doing it.
On July 25 2013 10:39 Zenbrez wrote: Who is this observer? =\
He's been pretty bad... during the suppy alive games, suppy's roach pack was about to walk over a mine while chasing some hellions, and he quick switches over to suppy's third where nothing was happening. Back to the roaches and 3 are missing which implies some shit went down with that mine and hellions.
On July 25 2013 10:55 Bagration wrote: Is the medivac energy upgrade a mistake?
I wasnt watching. Did he let it finish or just cloak fake? although with cloak so cheap is there much a reason to fake it these days if you're getting multiple banshees?
On July 25 2013 10:55 Bagration wrote: Is the medivac energy upgrade a mistake?
Doubt it, I can see the thought process behind it, he wants to invest in banshees but doesn't want to invest in cloak. Since he's making banshees and has a tech lab why not get medivac energy upgrade?
On July 25 2013 10:55 Bagration wrote: Is the medivac energy upgrade a mistake?
Doubt it, I can see the thought process behind it, he wants to invest in banshees but doesn't want to invest in cloak. Since he's making banshees and has a tech lab why not get medivac energy upgrade?
Really, who's observing? When there's 3 attacks going on at once, it's like he panics because he doesn't know what to look at, so instead he just doesn't move the camera, at all.
On July 25 2013 11:00 Zenbrez wrote: Really, who's observing? When there's 3 attacks going on at once, it's like he panics because he doesn't know what to look at, so instead he just doesn't move the camera, at all.
I'm not sure if they have a dedicated observer for WCS AM. I think Mr. Bitter said the other day that he was doing the observer while casting so I think it might be one of the casters today observing
I just tuned in because I had people over. Can someone give me a quick summary of the games after Theognis-Sage Game 2? Summary of each series works as well.
I always see polt make one viking to clear out the overlords. Suppy had like 8 overlords across the map. That was how he was able to outmaneuver and send in the roaches. Wonder why more terrans dont make a viking.
On July 25 2013 11:08 ptbl wrote: I always see polt make one viking to clear out the overlords. Suppy had like 8 overlords across the map. That was how he was able to outmaneuver and send in the roaches. Wonder why more terrans dont make a viking.
I like doing this in TvZ. It's seriously one of the most cost efficient decisions a terran can make mid-game. Clearing out overlords reduces map vision, makes drops more effectives, and costs the zerg extra larva and minerals.
On July 25 2013 11:08 ptbl wrote: I always see polt make one viking to clear out the overlords. Suppy had like 8 overlords across the map. That was how he was able to outmaneuver and send in the roaches. Wonder why more terrans dont make a viking.
Same reason we don't ever see just 6 Mutas by Zergs to keep just drops cleared up or Protoss using warp prisms vs Terran to protect their Templar from Ghosts. They're another full set of Multi-task action that requires being sold in all of the rest of your game.
On July 25 2013 11:14 AgentW wrote: lol Kibbles there's no way these two practice with one another, he doesn't know his proxy locations.
A way to tell good casters from bad ones is whether commonly used phrases make sense. Say we have LG-IM MVP vs Nestea. The statement would make sense if Nestea scouted MVPs proxy locations because they probably train with each other a lot. Suppy vs Alive, however, the same phrase doesn't make sense because there is no way in hell they train together. It really makes the casting feel fake.
On July 25 2013 11:25 vult wrote: Ugh Alive 8/8/8'ing his own teammate? Yuck.
aLive's job is to win. No matter what he does, he's not going to be the fan favorite. So rather than try to please the fickle community, just focus on winning.
On July 25 2013 11:14 AgentW wrote: lol Kibbles there's no way these two practice with one another, he doesn't know his proxy locations.
A way to tell good casters from bad ones is whether commonly used phrases make sense. Say we have LG-IM MVP vs Nestea. The statement would make sense if Nestea scouted MVPs proxy locations because they probably train with each other a lot. Suppy vs Alive, however, the same phrase doesn't make sense because there is no way in hell they train together. It really makes the casting feel fake.
Well it depends on the team. I know team liquid regularly do skype calls between their korean division and everyone else.
On July 25 2013 11:14 AgentW wrote: lol Kibbles there's no way these two practice with one another, he doesn't know his proxy locations.
A way to tell good casters from bad ones is whether commonly used phrases make sense. Say we have LG-IM MVP vs Nestea. The statement would make sense if Nestea scouted MVPs proxy locations because they probably train with each other a lot. Suppy vs Alive, however, the same phrase doesn't make sense because there is no way in hell they train together. It really makes the casting feel fake.
Well it depends on the team. I know team liquid regularly do skype calls between their korean division and everyone else.
Yah excatly. If players are playing on teams with teamhouses it makes a lot more sense. Suppy doesn't practice with Alive though.
On July 25 2013 11:25 vult wrote: Ugh Alive 8/8/8'ing his own teammate? Yuck.
People do this all the time.
Let's be honest, does anyone think aLive has any allegiance to Suppy or vice versa?
Proleague EG and the rest of EG might as well be 2 different teams in all seriousness. I guess it's a storyline to try and build on but...
It's almost like we have EG AM, EG EU, and EG KR.... wait a second.
Are ThorZaIN and DeMusliM EG EU or EG AM?
Demuslim EG AM. Naniwa and sortof is EG EU. And Thorzain is sortOfEG.EU
Exactly what I was thinking.
EDIT: Suppy going infestation pit right away. I really like this and hope this is an avenue that some Zergs can use to defeat Innovation (whenever that's going to happen).
EDIT 2: It seems Suppy has a massive advantage here. It would be a shame if he lost this.
On July 25 2013 11:25 vult wrote: Ugh Alive 8/8/8'ing his own teammate? Yuck.
People do this all the time.
Let's be honest, does anyone think aLive has any allegiance to Suppy or vice versa?
Proleague EG and the rest of EG might as well be 2 different teams in all seriousness. I guess it's a storyline to try and build on but...
It's almost like we have EG AM, EG EU, and EG KR.... wait a second.
Are ThorZaIN and DeMusliM EG EU or EG AM?
Demuslim EG AM. Naniwa and sortof is EG EU. And Thorzain is sortOfEG.EU
Exactly what I was thinking.
EDIT: Suppy going infestation pit right away. I really like this and hope this is an avenue that some Zergs can use to defeat Innovation (whenever that's going to happen).
I think Innovation is strong enough to kill a Zerg that goes infestation that early.
On July 25 2013 11:25 vult wrote: Ugh Alive 8/8/8'ing his own teammate? Yuck.
People do this all the time.
Let's be honest, does anyone think aLive has any allegiance to Suppy or vice versa?
Proleague EG and the rest of EG might as well be 2 different teams in all seriousness. I guess it's a storyline to try and build on but...
It's almost like we have EG AM, EG EU, and EG KR.... wait a second.
Are ThorZaIN and DeMusliM EG EU or EG AM?
Demuslim EG AM. Naniwa and sortof is EG EU. And Thorzain is sortOfEG.EU
Exactly what I was thinking.
EDIT: Suppy going infestation pit right away. I really like this and hope this is an avenue that some Zergs can use to defeat Innovation (whenever that's going to happen).
I think Innovation is strong enough to kill a Zerg that goes infestation that early.
What I'm trying to say (and didn't convey it correctly) is that I don't think people can kill Innovation with ling-bling-muta. His control is too good and you have to tech higher (either infestors, ultras, or vipers) to beat him. I have no idea if it would work, he's simply ridiculous right now.
aLive gave Suppy too much time to recuperate and build towards a monstrous Hive-tech army which would inevitably overwhelm Bio/Mine with meager air support.
On July 25 2013 12:08 stuchiu wrote: 3/3 is done, now here comes the hard part.
Yeah, I don't think he can kill that. That's a buzzsaw.
EDIT: Yeah, the supply...
His scramble evened it to within 30, but too many drones lost.
I think he's okay, he's handling his economy much better right now. I wish Suppy would burrow a bane or two near aLive's natural, he might be able to catch a game changing break.
On July 25 2013 12:13 rshawer wrote: Is suppy's hype train finally over with this loss?
It's not really a hype train. Hes a fan favorite. I don't think hes as good as people rate him but for a full-time college student, I think hes done quite well. He did 3-2 parting at the world championship after all.
On July 25 2013 12:14 AgentW wrote: Didn't Suppy get bounced by aLive or Revival last season as well?
Revival and Hero.
Maybe it's because they have like half of the players in this tournament, but EG-TL does a lot of team killing in WCS AM
EG and TL are one of the last remaining teams that have both the resources and the will to send their players en masse all around the world. That's why EG-TL are racking up so many WCS points, even though they are far from the best team in the world.
It's one of the problems of the WCS system. It doesn't necessarily reward the best players, but the players who can travel the most. For example, Revival is currently #6 in WCS points worldwide, but no sane person would consider Revival a top 10 player worldwide.
It's not a big problem, but it does raise some issues. The players at the very top (the Soulkeys, the Innovations), should not have problems staying at the top, but the next tier of players (IE Jangbi, Trap, etc) will have problems because their only way of getting points is WCS KR.
The good thing is that it puts pressure on Kespa to allow their players to play in more international tournaments though, which isn't a bad thing in my opinion.
Ugh, aLive might be my most disliked player in all of SC2. Slow, boring, "faceless Korean" terran play. I can't wish any harder for any player to lose more.
On July 25 2013 13:12 Crownlol wrote: Ugh, aLive might be my most disliked player in all of SC2. Slow, boring, "faceless Korean" terran play. I can't wish any harder for any player to lose more.
That having been said, uh, grats I guess.
Yea because Suppy's play style is just enthralling ...
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