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On July 23 2013 19:20 Jenia6109 wrote:Again, camera rotate on OGN 
Watch Gom stream.
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On July 23 2013 19:17 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 19:15 TheFlexN wrote:
Maru didnt split as much as he needed to vs the ultras, he was supposed to try and leave the ultras to agro for single units and not groups, its easier to do vs ultras when compared to split vs banelings because off creep ultras are slower. Ultras 1 shot marines, but if 4 ultras attack the same marine its a waste of DPS, so maru did miss micro there. Well played by symbol. lol did you ever play TvZ against ultralisks?
Yes, I once played on neo planet S and the zerg was remaxing on only ultras (something like 15 of them) and I split in a way that I had small groups of units at the front and split them to individuals, the ultras AI got them to attack them 1 at a time and I managed to defend with 60 army supply vs ~15 ultras and some lings.
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On July 23 2013 19:18 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 19:16 Yello wrote: Maru spawns in the top left  Symbol spawns bottom right 0:00-4:00min CC first on the low ground for Maru Hatch first for Symbol Pool and Gas for Symbol Rax and Gas for Maru 2 Lings and 2 Queens in production for Symbol
4:00-6:00min
Ling-Speed started for Symbol, pulls 2 of the Drones out of the Extractor
Factory and Reactor on the way for Maru
defensive Bunker at the natural for Maru
+2 Rax and additonal Refinery
Symbol takes his third base and builds a Roach Warren
Overlord Speed on the way as well
6:00-8:00min
Maru moves out with his first 2 Hellions, scouts the third and starts Stim
Marauder in production for Maru, Reactors at the Raxes, third Refinery and Starport
Ferrarilords scouts everything Maru does
Symbol builds a bunch of Roaches and pushes the Hellions away
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
Symbol with the mind games right? This isn't an all in?
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On July 23 2013 19:22 Pandemona wrote:
Symbol with the mind games right? This isn't an all in?
Symbol mindgaming the viewers~
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On July 23 2013 19:20 Abominous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 19:19 robson1 wrote:On July 23 2013 19:18 robson1 wrote:On July 23 2013 19:17 bo1b wrote:On July 23 2013 19:16 Cokefreak wrote:On July 23 2013 19:15 bo1b wrote:On July 23 2013 19:11 teddyoojo wrote:
this game is so stupid, symbol got ahead by 2 unlucky scans, got evened out by horrible makro and got ended by simply building ultras I love how terran whiners reduce the skill of their opponent so much :D Because Z/P whiners don't do the same? Z/P whiners definitely don't come in with that sort of attitude lol. I'm not saying they don't whine, but they haven't managed to convince themselves that terran players are better just because they play terran. Or whatever their race is Zerg whiners are pretty bad too. Which is funny because toss is historically the worst race. Generally yes, in the top, not as much.
Especially at the top. The only guys who won anything on Kor Level are MC and Parting(yeah and that seed fluke). Who are gateway-allin-geniuses. No macro toss has ever won anything. Not whining, I'm not saying it's because of imbalance. But Toss did not that great overall.
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On July 23 2013 19:22 Pandemona wrote:
Symbol with the mind games right? This isn't an all in?
Reasonably early roaches aren't uncommon, especially pre hellbat patch.
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France9034 Posts
On July 23 2013 19:18 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 19:17 bo1b wrote:On July 23 2013 19:16 Cokefreak wrote:On July 23 2013 19:15 bo1b wrote:On July 23 2013 19:11 teddyoojo wrote:
this game is so stupid, symbol got ahead by 2 unlucky scans, got evened out by horrible makro and got ended by simply building ultras I love how terran whiners reduce the skill of their opponent so much :D Because Z/P whiners don't do the same? Z/P whiners definitely don't come in with that sort of attitude lol. I'm not saying they don't whine, but they haven't managed to convince themselves that terran players are better just because they play terran. Or whatever their race is Zerg whiners are pretty bad too.
Whiners are pretty bad, whatever they do. Should we move on and stop caring about these people ?
On July 23 2013 19:22 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 19:20 Abominous wrote:On July 23 2013 19:19 robson1 wrote:On July 23 2013 19:18 robson1 wrote:On July 23 2013 19:17 bo1b wrote:On July 23 2013 19:16 Cokefreak wrote:On July 23 2013 19:15 bo1b wrote:On July 23 2013 19:11 teddyoojo wrote:
this game is so stupid, symbol got ahead by 2 unlucky scans, got evened out by horrible makro and got ended by simply building ultras I love how terran whiners reduce the skill of their opponent so much :D Because Z/P whiners don't do the same? Z/P whiners definitely don't come in with that sort of attitude lol. I'm not saying they don't whine, but they haven't managed to convince themselves that terran players are better just because they play terran. Or whatever their race is Zerg whiners are pretty bad too. Which is funny because toss is historically the worst race. Generally yes, in the top, not as much. Especially at the top. The only guys who won anything on Kor Level are MC and Parting(yeah and that seed fluke). Who are gateway-allin-geniuses. No macro toss has ever won anything. Not whining, I'm not saying it's because of imbalance. But Toss did not that great overall.
You forgot Rain OSL...
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France9034 Posts
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On July 23 2013 19:22 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 19:20 Abominous wrote:On July 23 2013 19:19 robson1 wrote:On July 23 2013 19:18 robson1 wrote:On July 23 2013 19:17 bo1b wrote:On July 23 2013 19:16 Cokefreak wrote:On July 23 2013 19:15 bo1b wrote:On July 23 2013 19:11 teddyoojo wrote:
this game is so stupid, symbol got ahead by 2 unlucky scans, got evened out by horrible makro and got ended by simply building ultras I love how terran whiners reduce the skill of their opponent so much :D Because Z/P whiners don't do the same? Z/P whiners definitely don't come in with that sort of attitude lol. I'm not saying they don't whine, but they haven't managed to convince themselves that terran players are better just because they play terran. Or whatever their race is Zerg whiners are pretty bad too. Which is funny because toss is historically the worst race. Generally yes, in the top, not as much. Especially at the top. The only guys who won anything on Kor Level are MC and Parting(yeah and that seed fluke). Who are gateway-allin-geniuses. No macro toss has ever won anything. Not whining, I'm not saying it's because of imbalance. But Toss did not that great overall.
What about rain before the worlds biggest slump? And squirtle absolutely should have won that gsl, before he moved out and suicided in the last game.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 23 2013 19:22 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 19:20 Abominous wrote:On July 23 2013 19:19 robson1 wrote:On July 23 2013 19:18 robson1 wrote:On July 23 2013 19:17 bo1b wrote:On July 23 2013 19:16 Cokefreak wrote:On July 23 2013 19:15 bo1b wrote:On July 23 2013 19:11 teddyoojo wrote:
this game is so stupid, symbol got ahead by 2 unlucky scans, got evened out by horrible makro and got ended by simply building ultras I love how terran whiners reduce the skill of their opponent so much :D Because Z/P whiners don't do the same? Z/P whiners definitely don't come in with that sort of attitude lol. I'm not saying they don't whine, but they haven't managed to convince themselves that terran players are better just because they play terran. Or whatever their race is Zerg whiners are pretty bad too. Which is funny because toss is historically the worst race. Generally yes, in the top, not as much. Especially at the top. The only guys who won anything on Kor Level are MC and Parting(yeah and that seed fluke). Who are gateway-allin-geniuses. No macro toss has ever won anything. Not whining, I'm not saying it's because of imbalance. But Toss did not that great overall.
creator
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I hate playing against this Zerg build. Hard to punish their eco, hard to win engagements.
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On July 23 2013 19:22 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 19:18 Yello wrote:On July 23 2013 19:16 Yello wrote: Maru spawns in the top left Symbol spawns bottom right 0:00-4:00min CC first on the low ground for Maru Hatch first for Symbol Pool and Gas for Symbol Rax and Gas for Maru 2 Lings and 2 Queens in production for Symbol 4:00-6:00min Ling-Speed started for Symbol, pulls 2 of the Drones out of the Extractor Factory and Reactor on the way for Maru defensive Bunker at the natural for Maru +2 Rax and additonal Refinery Symbol takes his third base and builds a Roach Warren Overlord Speed on the way as well 6:00-8:00min Maru moves out with his first 2 Hellions, scouts the third and starts Stim Marauder in production for Maru, Reactors at the Raxes, third Refinery and Starport Ferrarilords scouts everything Maru does Symbol builds a bunch of Roaches and pushes the Hellions away
8:00-10:00min
single E-Bay for Maru, double Evo for Symbol
Baneling Nest and Lair started for Symbol
Maru pushes out with 6 Hellions, a few Marauders, a bunch of Marines and 2 Medivacs
Symbol builds defensive Lings and Banes
10:00-12:00min
Symbol attacks Maru's army with his Lings and Banes, Maru immediately picks up and runs away
Maru once again tries to push in to clear some creep but has to lift off again
More Roaches, Roach-Speed and Bane-Speed on the way
third CC, Armory, 2nd E-Bay and Mines on the way for Maru
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On July 23 2013 19:21 TheFlexN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 19:17 TeeTS wrote:On July 23 2013 19:15 TheFlexN wrote:
Maru didnt split as much as he needed to vs the ultras, he was supposed to try and leave the ultras to agro for single units and not groups, its easier to do vs ultras when compared to split vs banelings because off creep ultras are slower. Ultras 1 shot marines, but if 4 ultras attack the same marine its a waste of DPS, so maru did miss micro there. Well played by symbol. lol did you ever play TvZ against ultralisks? Yes, I once played on neo planet S and the zerg was remaxing on only ultras (something like 15 of them) and I split in a way that I had small groups of units at the front and split them to individuals, the ultras AI got them to attack them 1 at a time and I managed to defend with 60 army supply vs ~15 ultras and some lings.
I'll take a replay of that, you can pm me it, I want to see that.
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Arty makes it sound like Symbol is way ahead. Even supply dude
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On July 23 2013 19:23 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 19:22 robson1 wrote:On July 23 2013 19:20 Abominous wrote:On July 23 2013 19:19 robson1 wrote:On July 23 2013 19:18 robson1 wrote:On July 23 2013 19:17 bo1b wrote:On July 23 2013 19:16 Cokefreak wrote:On July 23 2013 19:15 bo1b wrote:On July 23 2013 19:11 teddyoojo wrote:
this game is so stupid, symbol got ahead by 2 unlucky scans, got evened out by horrible makro and got ended by simply building ultras I love how terran whiners reduce the skill of their opponent so much :D Because Z/P whiners don't do the same? Z/P whiners definitely don't come in with that sort of attitude lol. I'm not saying they don't whine, but they haven't managed to convince themselves that terran players are better just because they play terran. Or whatever their race is Zerg whiners are pretty bad too. Which is funny because toss is historically the worst race. Generally yes, in the top, not as much. Especially at the top. The only guys who won anything on Kor Level are MC and Parting(yeah and that seed fluke). Who are gateway-allin-geniuses. No macro toss has ever won anything. Not whining, I'm not saying it's because of imbalance. But Toss did not that great overall. creator
Rain
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On July 23 2013 19:23 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 19:22 robson1 wrote:On July 23 2013 19:20 Abominous wrote:On July 23 2013 19:19 robson1 wrote:On July 23 2013 19:18 robson1 wrote:On July 23 2013 19:17 bo1b wrote:On July 23 2013 19:16 Cokefreak wrote:On July 23 2013 19:15 bo1b wrote:On July 23 2013 19:11 teddyoojo wrote:
this game is so stupid, symbol got ahead by 2 unlucky scans, got evened out by horrible makro and got ended by simply building ultras I love how terran whiners reduce the skill of their opponent so much :D Because Z/P whiners don't do the same? Z/P whiners definitely don't come in with that sort of attitude lol. I'm not saying they don't whine, but they haven't managed to convince themselves that terran players are better just because they play terran. Or whatever their race is Zerg whiners are pretty bad too. Which is funny because toss is historically the worst race. Generally yes, in the top, not as much. Especially at the top. The only guys who won anything on Kor Level are MC and Parting(yeah and that seed fluke). Who are gateway-allin-geniuses. No macro toss has ever won anything. Not whining, I'm not saying it's because of imbalance. But Toss did not that great overall. creator
Rain
edit: Damnit so slow!
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On July 23 2013 19:24 kodas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 19:21 TheFlexN wrote:On July 23 2013 19:17 TeeTS wrote:On July 23 2013 19:15 TheFlexN wrote:
Maru didnt split as much as he needed to vs the ultras, he was supposed to try and leave the ultras to agro for single units and not groups, its easier to do vs ultras when compared to split vs banelings because off creep ultras are slower. Ultras 1 shot marines, but if 4 ultras attack the same marine its a waste of DPS, so maru did miss micro there. Well played by symbol. lol did you ever play TvZ against ultralisks? Yes, I once played on neo planet S and the zerg was remaxing on only ultras (something like 15 of them) and I split in a way that I had small groups of units at the front and split them to individuals, the ultras AI got them to attack them 1 at a time and I managed to defend with 60 army supply vs ~15 ultras and some lings. I'll take a replay of that, you can pm me it, I want to see that.
I will look for it, take note that its platinum or lower, it was played a long while ago.
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On July 23 2013 19:25 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 19:23 opterown wrote:On July 23 2013 19:22 robson1 wrote:On July 23 2013 19:20 Abominous wrote:On July 23 2013 19:19 robson1 wrote:On July 23 2013 19:18 robson1 wrote:On July 23 2013 19:17 bo1b wrote:On July 23 2013 19:16 Cokefreak wrote:On July 23 2013 19:15 bo1b wrote:On July 23 2013 19:11 teddyoojo wrote:
this game is so stupid, symbol got ahead by 2 unlucky scans, got evened out by horrible makro and got ended by simply building ultras I love how terran whiners reduce the skill of their opponent so much :D Because Z/P whiners don't do the same? Z/P whiners definitely don't come in with that sort of attitude lol. I'm not saying they don't whine, but they haven't managed to convince themselves that terran players are better just because they play terran. Or whatever their race is Zerg whiners are pretty bad too. Which is funny because toss is historically the worst race. Generally yes, in the top, not as much. Especially at the top. The only guys who won anything on Kor Level are MC and Parting(yeah and that seed fluke). Who are gateway-allin-geniuses. No macro toss has ever won anything. Not whining, I'm not saying it's because of imbalance. But Toss did not that great overall. creator Rain
Genius, no wait
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