On July 20 2013 02:39 Ace Frehley wrote: I wonder if we'd see (m)any terrans/zergs in proleague if the teams were not forced to field at leats one of each race
Aren't they? I never know. That's answe my oldest question. Why would they even send out Zerg in some matches.
I have no idea how this could play out, with Flash/Innovation likely(though im sure we are gonna see some creative cheeses) winning, this could go 4-1 either way with that many PvP. Game 7 with Flash>Innovation please!
Can the OP switch the sides of the team rosters? The mini/Flash banner being above the wrong teams might confuse a few people. + Show Spoiler [what i mean] +
On July 20 2013 07:28 Elite_ wrote: Can the OP switch the sides of the team rosters? The mini/Flash banner being above the wrong teams might confuse a few people.
On July 20 2013 07:28 Elite_ wrote: Can the OP switch the sides of the team rosters? The mini/Flash banner being above the wrong teams might confuse a few people. + Show Spoiler [what i mean] +
On July 20 2013 07:28 Elite_ wrote: Can the OP switch the sides of the team rosters? The mini/Flash banner being above the wrong teams might confuse a few people. + Show Spoiler [what i mean] +
During BW I really disliked STX. They were always the objectively bad team who got cheap wins at the worst times. But in SC2 the only real rivalry is STX vs. Woongjin. Eagerly awaiting that finals.
On July 20 2013 07:10 Emzeeshady wrote: Zest < Dear Puzzle < Classic Crazy < Innovation Flash > Hyvaa Stats > Mini Myungsik < Trap
Zest is like 90% win rate in PvP so here are my predictions
Zest > Dear Puzzle > Classic (havent seen much PvP of Classic since he switched Protoss,so...) Crazy < Innovation Flash > Hyvaa (Anything can happen but I think Flash will be ready for the cheese) Stats < Mini (Stats isnt looking good lately) Myungsik < Trap
On July 20 2013 07:10 Emzeeshady wrote: Zest < Dear Puzzle < Classic Crazy < Innovation Flash > Hyvaa Stats > Mini Myungsik < Trap
Zest is like 90% win rate in PvP so here are my predictions
Zest < Dear Puzzle < Classic (havent seen much PvP of Classic since he switched Protoss,so...) Crazy < Innovation Flash > Hyvaa (Anything can happen but I think Flash will be ready for the cheese) Stats > Mini (Stats isnt looking good lately) Myungsik < Trap
ACE MATCH: Flash vs Innovation
57% in HoTS and on a 5 game PvP losing streak with losses to Bisu, Parting, and 3 straight losses to Trap. He is 1-0 vs Dear in HoTS, though.
On July 20 2013 07:10 Emzeeshady wrote: Zest < Dear Puzzle < Classic Crazy < Innovation Flash > Hyvaa Stats > Mini Myungsik < Trap
Zest is like 90% win rate in PvP so here are my predictions
Zest < Dear Puzzle < Classic (havent seen much PvP of Classic since he switched Protoss,so...) Crazy < Innovation Flash > Hyvaa (Anything can happen but I think Flash will be ready for the cheese) Stats > Mini (Stats isnt looking good lately) Myungsik < Trap
ACE MATCH: Flash vs Innovation
You neglected to change the less than/greater than signs, it's a bit disorienting.
On July 20 2013 10:35 snakeeyez wrote: For ace match do you send out flash? I think innovation has a decent record against flash maybe better to send protoss.
They are against each other 5-5. Only one of those is in PL.
But then there's even a possibility of mind games giving us a PvP acematch.
On July 20 2013 11:02 BisuDagger wrote: KT Fans are really letting this thread down. No trash talk from either sides? I'll help out.
From STX fans: "Hey KT, rumor has it Flash uses non-organic deodorant!"
From KT fans: "Oh yeah STX? Last time your team saw a finals Flash was 13"
Both fans run off in opposite directions crying, waiting for SKT fans to choose a side to help trash talk.
As a KT fan, I acknowledge the highly skilled STX players and their super-ace Innovation. May the best team win. Also STX vs Woongjin Stars in the finals would be the biggest joke ever.
On July 20 2013 11:02 BisuDagger wrote: KT Fans are really letting this thread down. No trash talk from either sides? I'll help out.
From STX fans: "Hey KT, rumor has it Flash uses non-organic deodorant!"
From KT fans: "Oh yeah STX? Last time your team saw a finals Flash was 13"
Both fans run off in opposite directions crying, waiting for SKT fans to choose a side to help trash talk.
As a KT fan, I acknowledge the highly skilled STX players and their super-ace Innovation. May the best team win. Also STX vs Woongjin Stars in the finals would be the biggest joke ever.
To be completely honest anyone vs. WJS is looking like a joke at this point.
Anyone who thinks KT is going to win will get a rude awakening, it won't even get to an ace match and if it does innovation will win.
STX is far better at preparation, as they are simply more unionized and team oriented. KT has historically bought talent rather than cultivate, and without flash they wouldn't even be a contender for playoffs; while without innovation STX would still be a solid team.
Here we'll see that dreams are forged rather than placed in your minds, that the power to inspire is a group effort and when you unleash it you also unleash something truly remarkable.
I believe in you LR people. Give me the strength to stay awake at 5.30am, not having slept since yesterday. Just half an hour more... Any advice on how to stay awake?
On July 20 2013 11:22 Pandain wrote: Anyone who thinks KT is going to win will get a rude awakening, it won't even get to an ace match and if it does innovation will win.
STX is far better at preparation, as they are simply more unionized and team oriented. KT has historically bought talent rather than cultivate, and without flash they wouldn't even be a contender for playoffs; while without innovation STX would still be a solid team.
Here we'll see that dreams are forged rather than placed in your minds, that the power to inspire is a group effort and when you unleash it you also unleash something truly remarkable.
Even with PvP, STX 4- 1 KT
With the tone of that post I think you missed something about a 2-0 and also something nasty about KT fans' mothers.
On July 20 2013 11:22 Pandain wrote: Anyone who thinks KT is going to win will get a rude awakening, it won't even get to an ace match and if it does innovation will win.
STX is far better at preparation, as they are simply more unionized and team oriented. KT has historically bought talent rather than cultivate, and without flash they wouldn't even be a contender for playoffs; while without innovation STX would still be a solid team.
Here we'll see that dreams are forged rather than placed in your minds, that the power to inspire is a group effort and when you unleash it you also unleash something truly remarkable.
Even with PvP, STX 4- 1 KT
Yeah, last time STX and KT met it was a 4-0 with Innovation being Innovation into proxy oracle into dt rush into dt rush.
On July 20 2013 11:22 Pandain wrote: Anyone who thinks KT is going to win will get a rude awakening, it won't even get to an ace match and if it does innovation will win.
STX is far better at preparation, as they are simply more unionized and team oriented. KT has historically bought talent rather than cultivate, and without flash they wouldn't even be a contender for playoffs; while without innovation STX would still be a solid team.
Here we'll see that dreams are forged rather than placed in your minds, that the power to inspire is a group effort and when you unleash it you also unleash something truly remarkable.
Even with PvP, STX 4- 1 KT
With the tone of that post I think you missed something about a 2-0 and also something nasty about KT fans' mothers.
On July 20 2013 11:02 BisuDagger wrote: KT Fans are really letting this thread down. No trash talk from either sides? I'll help out.
From STX fans: "Hey KT, rumor has it Flash uses non-organic deodorant!"
From KT fans: "Oh yeah STX? Last time your team saw a finals Flash was 13"
Both fans run off in opposite directions crying, waiting for SKT fans to choose a side to help trash talk.
As a KT fan, I acknowledge the highly skilled STX players and their super-ace Innovation. May the best team win. Also STX vs Woongjin Stars in the finals would be the biggest joke ever.
To be completely honest anyone vs. WJS is looking like a joke at this point.
I think I'm rooting for STX tonight though.
So not true. The KT zergs really do need to pick it up a notch though.
On July 20 2013 11:22 Pandain wrote: Anyone who thinks KT is going to win will get a rude awakening, it won't even get to an ace match and if it does innovation will win.
STX is far better at preparation, as they are simply more unionized and team oriented. KT has historically bought talent rather than cultivate, and without flash they wouldn't even be a contender for playoffs; while without innovation STX would still be a solid team.
Here we'll see that dreams are forged rather than placed in your minds, that the power to inspire is a group effort and when you unleash it you also unleash something truly remarkable.
Even with PvP, STX 4- 1 KT
With the tone of that post I think you missed something about a 2-0 and also something nasty about KT fans' mothers.
On July 20 2013 11:28 andilaama wrote: I believe in you LR people. Give me the strength to stay awake at 5.30am, not having slept since yesterday. Just half an hour more... Any advice on how to stay awake?
On July 20 2013 11:22 Pandain wrote: Anyone who thinks KT is going to win will get a rude awakening, it won't even get to an ace match and if it does innovation will win.
STX is far better at preparation, as they are simply more unionized and team oriented. KT has historically bought talent rather than cultivate, and without flash they wouldn't even be a contender for playoffs; while without innovation STX would still be a solid team.
Here we'll see that dreams are forged rather than placed in your minds, that the power to inspire is a group effort and when you unleash it you also unleash something truly remarkable.
Even with PvP, STX 4- 1 KT
With the tone of that post I think you missed something about a 2-0 and also something nasty about KT fans' mothers.
I'm a Protoss player so I'll watch, but man viewership is going to be shit tonight.Nobody wants to see 4 PvPs, even if it leads to Flash vs Innovation at the end.
On July 20 2013 11:28 andilaama wrote: I believe in you LR people. Give me the strength to stay awake at 5.30am, not having slept since yesterday. Just half an hour more... Any advice on how to stay awake?
coffee? energy drinks?
I have neither And yet, I'm still awake! Hooray for the infinite excitement of many a PvP yet to come! Now if only we saw a KT victory and all would be right in the world. I'm not overly confident though...
I really hope for a 3:3 scenario where Coach Lee puts Hoejja to snipe Bogus in Ace match and continue his playoffs rampage. I'm sure he's practicing nonstop since round one to snipe Bogus in both aces matchs and Soulkey in finals ace, coach Lee surely predicted that, thus why he barely played whole season. That would be so great.
On July 20 2013 11:47 Arceus wrote: shit I hate both teams what should I do
Why do you hate STX? The only reason I could see is Hyvaa.
STX isn't fielding calm. That's reason hate enough.
I have a confession to STX fans that I need to get off my chest: 3 years ago Kal made it to the WCG 2010 semifinals and was doing well in the other leagues too. Bisu was slumping and I got selfish. I prayed to the protoss gods asking for them to make Kal lose so Bisu's greatest of all time protoss title wouldn't be taken from him. Afterward he slumped for three years and went to Airforce Ace. For that, I am truly sorry.
*ahem* It's been a while since I watched any Proleague, but with my 2nd-favorite team going up against one of the Evil Empires, it's clear whom we cheer for.
On July 20 2013 11:47 Arceus wrote: shit I hate both teams what should I do
Why do you hate STX? The only reason I could see is Hyvaa.
STX isn't fielding calm. That's reason hate enough.
I have a confession to STX fans that I need to get off my chest: 3 years ago Kal made it to the WCG 2010 semifinals and was doing well in the other leagues too. Bisu was slumping and I got selfish. I prayed to the protoss gods asking for them to make Kal lose so Bisu's greatest of all time protoss title wouldn't be taken from him. Afterward he slumped for three years and went to Airforce Ace. For that, I am truly sorry.
On July 20 2013 11:47 Arceus wrote: shit I hate both teams what should I do
Why do you hate STX? The only reason I could see is Hyvaa.
STX isn't fielding calm. That's reason hate enough.
I have a confession to STX fans that I need to get off my chest: 3 years ago Kal made it to the WCG 2010 semifinals and was doing well in the other leagues too. Bisu was slumping and I got selfish. I prayed to the protoss gods asking for them to make Kal lose so Bisu's greatest of all time protoss title wouldn't be taken from him. Afterward he slumped for three years and went to Airforce Ace. For that, I am truly sorry.
On July 20 2013 11:47 Arceus wrote: shit I hate both teams what should I do
Why do you hate STX? The only reason I could see is Hyvaa.
STX isn't fielding calm. That's reason hate enough.
I have a confession to STX fans that I need to get off my chest: 3 years ago Kal made it to the WCG 2010 semifinals and was doing well in the other leagues too. Bisu was slumping and I got selfish. I prayed to the protoss gods asking for them to make Kal lose so Bisu's greatest of all time protoss title wouldn't be taken from him. Afterward he slumped for three years and went to Airforce Ace. For that, I am truly sorry.
Sucks that Bisu never won an OSL, thus cannot be considered higher than the Almighty anyway. It's sad for Kal though, you meanie
On July 20 2013 11:47 Arceus wrote: shit I hate both teams what should I do
Why do you hate STX? The only reason I could see is Hyvaa.
STX isn't fielding calm. That's reason hate enough.
I have a confession to STX fans that I need to get off my chest: 3 years ago Kal made it to the WCG 2010 semifinals and was doing well in the other leagues too. Bisu was slumping and I got selfish. I prayed to the protoss gods asking for them to make Kal lose so Bisu's greatest of all time protoss title wouldn't be taken from him. Afterward he slumped for three years and went to Airforce Ace. For that, I am truly sorry.
On July 20 2013 11:47 Arceus wrote: shit I hate both teams what should I do
Why do you hate STX? The only reason I could see is Hyvaa.
STX isn't fielding calm. That's reason hate enough.
I have a confession to STX fans that I need to get off my chest: 3 years ago Kal made it to the WCG 2010 semifinals and was doing well in the other leagues too. Bisu was slumping and I got selfish. I prayed to the protoss gods asking for them to make Kal lose so Bisu's greatest of all time protoss title wouldn't be taken from him. Afterward he slumped for three years and went to Airforce Ace. For that, I am truly sorry.
On July 20 2013 11:47 Arceus wrote: shit I hate both teams what should I do
Why do you hate STX? The only reason I could see is Hyvaa.
STX isn't fielding calm. That's reason hate enough.
I have a confession to STX fans that I need to get off my chest: 3 years ago Kal made it to the WCG 2010 semifinals and was doing well in the other leagues too. Bisu was slumping and I got selfish. I prayed to the protoss gods asking for them to make Kal lose so Bisu's greatest of all time protoss title wouldn't be taken from him. Afterward he slumped for three years and went to Airforce Ace. For that, I am truly sorry.
are you responsible for Kal almost losing his life in the pool too? goddamn sicko
KT fans your leader has sent a transmission from the UED base camp.
Original Message From BLinD-RawR: I don't know if you've noticed but there's not a single STX fan in the LR thread, only bogus bandwagoners no point in talking trash to them since real STX fans Aint there.
Original Message From BLinD-RawR: I don't know if you've noticed but there's not a single STX fan in the LR thread, only bogus bandwagoners no point in talking trash to them since real STX fans Aint there.
On July 20 2013 11:47 Arceus wrote: shit I hate both teams what should I do
Why do you hate STX? The only reason I could see is Hyvaa.
STX isn't fielding calm. That's reason hate enough.
I have a confession to STX fans that I need to get off my chest: 3 years ago Kal made it to the WCG 2010 semifinals and was doing well in the other leagues too. Bisu was slumping and I got selfish. I prayed to the protoss gods asking for them to make Kal lose so Bisu's greatest of all time protoss title wouldn't be taken from him. Afterward he slumped for three years and went to Airforce Ace. For that, I am truly sorry.
are you responsible for Kal almost losing his life in the pool too? goddamn sicko
Original Message From BLinD-RawR: I don't know if you've noticed but there's not a single STX fan in the LR thread, only bogus bandwagoners no point in talking trash to them since real STX fans Aint there.
I dont know whats worse, KT leader exiling himself to avoid shame of defeat or STX having Bogus bandwagoners only?
On July 20 2013 12:10 BisuDagger wrote: KT fans your leader has sent a transmission from the UED base camp.
Original Message From BLinD-RawR: I don't know if you've noticed but there's not a single STX fan in the LR thread, only bogus bandwagoners no point in talking trash to them since real STX fans Aint there.
I dont know whats worse, KT leader exiling himself to avoid shame of defeat or STX having Bogus bandwagoners only?
On July 20 2013 12:10 BisuDagger wrote: KT fans your leader has sent a transmission from the UED base camp.
Original Message From BLinD-RawR: I don't know if you've noticed but there's not a single STX fan in the LR thread, only bogus bandwagoners no point in talking trash to them since real STX fans Aint there.
I dont know whats worse, KT leader exiling himself to avoid shame of defeat or STX having Bogus bandwagoners only?
I'm pretty sure he'd be here if he isn't banned.
he requested a 2-week ban in anticipation of the grandfinal xD
On July 20 2013 12:35 tl2212 wrote: how... did zest... have 0 colossus??? like, that doesn't work in ANY matchup
PvP has shifted recently towards zeal/immortal/archon, and if you see your opponent going colossus you can get tempest out to hard counter it, he was just to slow on that
On July 20 2013 12:36 Chimeri wrote: He definitely should have gotten Tempests earlier. There was no way he was going to win with that army.
Dear started the tech switch to Colo before his 3rd got taken out. If Zest knew about it before he got Dear's 3rd, he should've just teched to Colossi too and get the economic lead. 2-3 tempests wouldn't have changed the final battle much, maybe kill 1 or 2 colossi after his own army is gone.
On July 20 2013 12:38 edgeOut wrote: Recently youtube stream is a lot better than twitch. Twitch stutters frequently.
Been that way for me for quite some time. I've moved during PL season (from west to east coast) and had two different ISP and its been better both times.
It was back and forth, had a lot of suspense as to whether Dear would move the observer, was scary at harassment in mid and good harassment throughout on both sides, well played by both, thought zest had won and he had pushed into both bases but barely lived, and because he had invested already into collusus the was able to make use of it and really engaged well
Also was suspenseful due to the context and the importance of this match in particular
On July 20 2013 12:42 NicksonReyes wrote: Innovation really got STX a lot of new korean fans.
I've made an observation recently and hyvaa stands out for having the loudest chant of the bunch. Girls like bad boys not boring dude. You know, all that earring, dyed hair, grin and cheddar of him
On July 20 2013 12:48 bo1b wrote: It just hit me that puzzle used to be an esf player ;\
A long long time ago. That was like summer of 2011, when he left Zenex
S-S-Slayers, he used to be there ace.
Slayers wasn't eSF. And their players were hit with a practice boycott because of it. Zenex was though, so yes, Puzzle was a former eSF player.
I know they weren't part of esf. I guess I just think of teams in the gstl as being part of the esf group, and teams in proleague as being part of kespa :p
What, Zest lost a PvP!?!? Damnit...if Puzzle loses, I don't see Myungsik beating Trap (and Innovation winning seems a given), seems like this'll go to STX without even giving us an epic flash vs innovation ace match :/
On July 20 2013 12:38 lichter wrote: Can't watch because I am so busy at work T_T T_T T_T
Edit: mostly because I decided not to go to work yesterday
Only one solution
QUIT
If I sold my company I could probably be LR OP and LR every thread ever, and be TL writing staff and be gosu on the ladder
nah
You have a company?
And, more importantly, does it ESPORTS?
On July 20 2013 12:44 Bagration wrote:
On July 20 2013 12:43 lichter wrote:
On July 20 2013 12:38 Daogin wrote:
On July 20 2013 12:38 lichter wrote: Can't watch because I am so busy at work T_T T_T T_T
Edit: mostly because I decided not to go to work yesterday
Only one solution
QUIT
If I sold my company I could probably be LR OP and LR every thread ever, and be TL writing staff and be gosu on the ladder
nah
What does your company do?
Manufacturing of footwear
I guess if players could start playing with their feet up I could start sponsoring Esports
Though sponsoring LoL probably makes more sense........ >.>
Axiom Crocs_Ryung.
Crocs are an abomination
I use their crushed remains as my raw materials
I'd probably buy Azubu if I had a choice. How much does sponsoring a team even cost?
Lunch break time, time to watch yay
You don't sponsor Azubu, they sponsor you. As for costs, I imagine it goes from as low as free samples to paying people to repyour brand at events? Not sure.
On July 20 2013 12:48 bo1b wrote: It just hit me that puzzle used to be an esf player ;\
A long long time ago. That was like summer of 2011, when he left Zenex
S-S-Slayers, he used to be there ace.
Slayers wasn't eSF. And their players were hit with a practice boycott because of it. Zenex was though, so yes, Puzzle was a former eSF player.
I know they weren't part of esf. I guess I just think of teams in the gstl as being part of the esf group, and teams in proleague as being part of kespa :p
Yeah, there isn't a good term for non-Kespa Korean teams.
On July 20 2013 12:48 bo1b wrote: It just hit me that puzzle used to be an esf player ;\
A long long time ago. That was like summer of 2011, when he left Zenex
S-S-Slayers, he used to be there ace.
Slayers wasn't eSF. And their players were hit with a practice boycott because of it. Zenex was though, so yes, Puzzle was a former eSF player.
I know they weren't part of esf. I guess I just think of teams in the gstl as being part of the esf group, and teams in proleague as being part of kespa :p
Yeah, there isn't a good term for non-Kespa Korean teams.
Yeah, calling them non-KeSPA always makes it sound kind of like KeSPA is the center of the universe, but that might just be me
man STX really kicking things up a notch in this playoffs. 2-0 SKT T1 and now up 2-0 with Innovation next and posibly taking the first series against KT :O Having said that, GO STX! :D
On July 20 2013 12:48 bo1b wrote: It just hit me that puzzle used to be an esf player ;\
A long long time ago. That was like summer of 2011, when he left Zenex
S-S-Slayers, he used to be there ace.
Slayers wasn't eSF. And their players were hit with a practice boycott because of it. Zenex was though, so yes, Puzzle was a former eSF player.
I know they weren't part of esf. I guess I just think of teams in the gstl as being part of the esf group, and teams in proleague as being part of kespa :p
Yeah, there isn't a good term for non-Kespa Korean teams.
Yeah, calling them non-KeSPA always makes it sound kind of like KeSPA is the center of the universe, but that might just be me
Whyyyyyy is this favorited yet first game was notttt.
First game was a lot more even and wasn't a domination.
Only things I can see is immortal warp prism = instant like
It was a pretty good game by Classic. Very good army positioning and DT and immortal harass. Cancelled the 3rd a few times.
I myself thought it was a great game too, but I see and still have to realize I of course see things differently and everyone has their own opinion.
And classic very Wp.
Classic's play overall has been really good. Solid, I'd say. It really is amazing considering he switched races and if you saw his Terran play you'd probably be even more surprised.
Shine, TheBest, Sniper and Bubbles are now raising their hands to form a spirit bomb to empower fellow Injustice Leaguer hyvaa so he can kill Flash. Inca wants to join in, but no one can notice him.
On July 20 2013 13:27 stuchiu wrote: Shine, TheBest, Sniper and Bubbles are now raising their hands to form a spirit bomb to empower fellow Injustice Leaguer hyvaa so he can kill Flash. Inca wants to join in, but no one can notice him.
On July 20 2013 13:28 DMXD wrote: KT can still force an ace match. Flash, Stats and minibobas are slight favorites against their respective opponents
They can, but they now have absolutely no room for error, and they will likely go up against Innovation as well. Not a great position for KT at all, but luckily for them, this is a Bo3.
On July 20 2013 13:27 stuchiu wrote: Shine, TheBest, Sniper and Bubbles are now raising their hands to form a spirit bomb to empower fellow Injustice Leaguer hyvaa so he can kill Flash. Inca wants to join in, but no one can notice him.
On July 20 2013 13:27 stuchiu wrote: Shine, TheBest, Sniper and Bubbles are now raising their hands to form a spirit bomb to empower fellow Injustice Leaguer hyvaa so he can kill Flash. Inca wants to join in, but no one can notice him.
On July 20 2013 13:27 stuchiu wrote: Shine, TheBest, Sniper and Bubbles are now raising their hands to form a spirit bomb to empower fellow Injustice Leaguer hyvaa so he can kill Flash. Inca wants to join in, but no one can notice him.
wait, is "injustice league" a thing now?
Choya not being in that group is the true injustice
On July 20 2013 13:29 GudulesmSC2 wrote: Lol, Innovation just had to wait for Crazy to kill himself basically. Really poor control.
Great response by Innovation though. Playing safe with the siege tank, then immediately withdrawing to the safety of support units. Hard to beat Bogus
He had at least 2 widowmines not doing anything. The amount of damage that crazy would have to do with that sort of investment vs innovations build was pretty immense.
On July 20 2013 13:33 Daogin wrote: Lol he was attacking bunkers with nothing in them
Yeah, should have gone for workers in the natural. Sending them up the ramp to clump up for a siege tank was probably even worse than hitting empty bunkers
On July 20 2013 13:29 GudulesmSC2 wrote: Lol, Innovation just had to wait for Crazy to kill himself basically. Really poor control.
Great response by Innovation though. Playing safe with the siege tank, then immediately withdrawing to the safety of support units. Hard to beat Bogus
Yes, I like the incorporation of the Siege tank in this fast 3cc style. It delays Stim / 1-1 upgrades just a little bit but protects you from a few swift all-ins. I'd like to see this style against a stronger roach / bane all in though.
Seeing terran getting an early Siege Tank and being smarter with their simcity is quite exciting to watch.
On July 20 2013 13:38 Havik_ wrote: I swear if this ends up being 6 pool vs 14 CC my jimmies are going to be rustled. Flash should know better against a known cheeser like Hyvaa
High ground 14cc 15 rax beats 6pool pretty easily lol.
On July 20 2013 13:38 Havik_ wrote: I swear if this ends up being 6 pool vs 14 CC my jimmies are going to be rustled. Flash should know better against a known cheeser like Hyvaa
he played 100% macro games in the tiebreaker though, converting me into his semi-fan
On July 20 2013 13:41 bo1b wrote: I have so much respect for flash when he pulls out that ruler. Attention to detail in a professional setting should be lauded.
Flash's ruler is imba. Blizzard should consider nerfing it.
Everyone chill. Caster bashing is banable anyway. Why not take the opportunity to bash the team your cheering against instead. The hate level is where it needs to be at, just direct it now.
On July 20 2013 13:38 VayneAuthority wrote: SNM is unbearable, terrible caster
You know what else is unbearable?
How much people complain about SNM. Especially when they act like a dick while complaining. Like you just did.
Don't come into the thread to lecture when you aren't even listening to the cast dumbass.
He was talking about how STX planned on purpose to lose certain sets, SNM is a moron.
No, he was talking about how hyvaa, as the weakest playing in the lineup, was probably a good choice because they'd probably lose against Flash anyway. They could try to get an even matchup, e.g. Innovation, but they're better off trying to "avoid" Flash and settle for the 4-1 or 4-2, which they're well on the way to doing. The key is hyvaa doesn't need to win for STX to win. Dodging aces is a legit and time-honored strategy.
On July 20 2013 13:38 VayneAuthority wrote: SNM is unbearable, terrible caster
You know what else is unbearable?
How much people complain about SNM. Especially when they act like a dick while complaining. Like you just did.
Don't come into the thread to lecture when you aren't even listening to the cast dumbass.
He was talking about how STX planned on purpose to lose certain sets, SNM is a moron.
How do you know if I was listening to the cast or not?
Because you just made a stupid, ignorant rebuttal that makes zero sense. Now stop talking to me thanks.
Actually if you ever read Proleague LR threads you would realize it does make sense. Or maybe you do read the threads all the time and you just don't find it annoying, I don't know. But I still find it annoying when half the LR thread is people complaining about SNM, especially when they do it the way you did.
he said hyvaa was the weakest player on the lineup? lol mini couldn't even qualify for wcs america challenger after 4 tries, hyvaa barely didn't make ro8 in osl.
On July 20 2013 13:38 VayneAuthority wrote: SNM is unbearable, terrible caster
You know what else is unbearable?
How much people complain about SNM. Especially when they act like a dick while complaining. Like you just did.
Don't come into the thread to lecture when you aren't even listening to the cast dumbass.
He was talking about how STX planned on purpose to lose certain sets, SNM is a moron.
How do you know if I was listening to the cast or not?
Because you just made a stupid, ignorant rebuttal that makes zero sense. Now stop talking to me thanks.
How is it stupid and ignorant and doesn't make sense?
People have been complaining about SNM since the beginning, and continuously repeating the same complaints in LR threads won't help. It unnecessarily clutters the thread. If you want to complain, do it in a feedback thread.
Whiplash already confirmed SNM isn't coming back to cast Proleague, so you just have to bear with him until the season ends.
SNM might not be great at casting but he also contributes a lot, such as translations of interviews and BW history and facts, both of which are difficult to find in a caster.
rofl korean casters are funny as hell (i dunno who keeps saying it) but they're casting it as if flash already won the game and its only a matter of how he wins it
On July 20 2013 13:56 tarpman wrote: Is it me or is hyvaa's hive really, really late? he had at least one idle evo for a really long time after 2/2 finished...
Its how he rolls
Hyvaa getting to hive tech is like July getting to hive tech
On July 20 2013 13:56 tarpman wrote: Is it me or is hyvaa's hive really, really late? he had at least one idle evo for a really long time after 2/2 finished...
Its how he rolls
Hyvaa getting to hive tech is like July getting to hive tech
On July 20 2013 13:55 jinorazi wrote: rofl korean casters are funny as hell (i dunno who keeps saying it) but they're casting it as if flash already won the game and its only a matter of how he wins it
Jeez, the insight of these guys is amazing. S'why I would love to see more translated korean casts. ):
I mean the mid-game with muta/ling/bling always looks like it's in favor for the zerg, and it usually looks lackluster once terran's upgrades finish, but to call it so soon so well is cool.
On July 20 2013 13:55 jinorazi wrote: rofl korean casters are funny as hell (i dunno who keeps saying it) but they're casting it as if flash already won the game and its only a matter of how he wins it
Jeez, the insight of these guys is amazing. S'why I would love to see more translated korean casts. ):
I mean the mid-game with muta/ling/bling always looks like it's in favor for the zerg, and it usually looks lackluster once terran's upgrades finish, but to call it so soon so well is cool.
Thanks for giving insight to the korean cast. :D
When this was posted, hyvaa was ahead. hyvaa started falling apart soon after, and that's only when the Korean casters' opinion became correct. They weren't right when they said it.
On July 20 2013 13:55 jinorazi wrote: rofl korean casters are funny as hell (i dunno who keeps saying it) but they're casting it as if flash already won the game and its only a matter of how he wins it
Jeez, the insight of these guys is amazing. S'why I would love to see more translated korean casts. ):
I mean the mid-game with muta/ling/bling always looks like it's in favor for the zerg, and it usually looks lackluster once terran's upgrades finish, but to call it so soon so well is cool.
Thanks for giving insight to the korean cast. :D
i wrote that cus hyvaa had the game and korean casters were joking it, because hyvaa was winning...but now its true hahaha
On July 20 2013 13:55 jinorazi wrote: rofl korean casters are funny as hell (i dunno who keeps saying it) but they're casting it as if flash already won the game and its only a matter of how he wins it
Jeez, the insight of these guys is amazing. S'why I would love to see more translated korean casts. ):
I mean the mid-game with muta/ling/bling always looks like it's in favor for the zerg, and it usually looks lackluster once terran's upgrades finish, but to call it so soon so well is cool.
Thanks for giving insight to the korean cast. :D
When this was posted, hyvaa was ahead. hyvaa started falling apart soon after, and that's only when the Korean casters' opinion became correct. They weren't right when they said it.
The reason hyvaa lost was because he transitioned too fast into ultras. Like Soulkey did in his game against Innovation in PL. ZvT has become a game of constant harass, counter-harass, pushing and creep spreading. Once he lost map control, he lost the game.
Advanced start to use in this situation: scan your opponent's base, drop mules on his mineral patches to take his minerals so he runs out of resources faster
On July 20 2013 13:55 jinorazi wrote: rofl korean casters are funny as hell (i dunno who keeps saying it) but they're casting it as if flash already won the game and its only a matter of how he wins it
Jeez, the insight of these guys is amazing. S'why I would love to see more translated korean casts. ):
I mean the mid-game with muta/ling/bling always looks like it's in favor for the zerg, and it usually looks lackluster once terran's upgrades finish, but to call it so soon so well is cool.
Thanks for giving insight to the korean cast. :D
When this was posted, hyvaa was ahead. hyvaa started falling apart soon after, and that's only when the Korean casters' opinion became correct. They weren't right when they said it.
The reason hyvaa lost was because he transitioned too fast into ultras. Like Soulkey did in his game against Innovation in PL. ZvT has become a game of constant harass, counter-harass, pushing and creep spreading. Once he lost map control, he lost the game.
looked like he got badly outmacro'd to me. The ultras were the only thing that kept him in the game.
On July 20 2013 13:55 jinorazi wrote: rofl korean casters are funny as hell (i dunno who keeps saying it) but they're casting it as if flash already won the game and its only a matter of how he wins it
Jeez, the insight of these guys is amazing. S'why I would love to see more translated korean casts. ):
I mean the mid-game with muta/ling/bling always looks like it's in favor for the zerg, and it usually looks lackluster once terran's upgrades finish, but to call it so soon so well is cool.
Thanks for giving insight to the korean cast. :D
i wrote that cus hyvaa had the game and korean casters were joking it, because hyvaa was winning...but now its true hahaha
Oh haha, I guess I read it later than the situation it was posted in. Thanks for clearly that up!
"hey I think his bio force will instantly teleport to his bases to defend so there's absolutely no point in killing any of his expansions that's letting him get back into the game"
On July 20 2013 14:09 iamho wrote: Why does nobody take the 5 and 6 o'clock bases?
Too easy to drop so zerg's don't take it. It's too near your opponent and Zerg favor expanding away from terran. Don't know why Flash hasn't taken it yet though. Probably can't spare the units to take out the rocks
On July 20 2013 13:55 jinorazi wrote: rofl korean casters are funny as hell (i dunno who keeps saying it) but they're casting it as if flash already won the game and its only a matter of how he wins it
Jeez, the insight of these guys is amazing. S'why I would love to see more translated korean casts. ):
I mean the mid-game with muta/ling/bling always looks like it's in favor for the zerg, and it usually looks lackluster once terran's upgrades finish, but to call it so soon so well is cool.
Thanks for giving insight to the korean cast. :D
When this was posted, hyvaa was ahead. hyvaa started falling apart soon after, and that's only when the Korean casters' opinion became correct. They weren't right when they said it.
The reason hyvaa lost was because he transitioned too fast into ultras. Like Soulkey did in his game against Innovation in PL. ZvT has become a game of constant harass, counter-harass, pushing and creep spreading. Once he lost map control, he lost the game.
looked like he got badly outmacro'd to me. The ultras were the only thing that kept him in the game.
That's always a part of it, but with muta ling bane. Hyvaa was keeping Flash pinned. With Ultras, Hyvaa was barely surviving.
On July 20 2013 13:55 jinorazi wrote: rofl korean casters are funny as hell (i dunno who keeps saying it) but they're casting it as if flash already won the game and its only a matter of how he wins it
Jeez, the insight of these guys is amazing. S'why I would love to see more translated korean casts. ):
I mean the mid-game with muta/ling/bling always looks like it's in favor for the zerg, and it usually looks lackluster once terran's upgrades finish, but to call it so soon so well is cool.
Thanks for giving insight to the korean cast. :D
When this was posted, hyvaa was ahead. hyvaa started falling apart soon after, and that's only when the Korean casters' opinion became correct. They weren't right when they said it.
The reason hyvaa lost was because he transitioned too fast into ultras. Like Soulkey did in his game against Innovation in PL. ZvT has become a game of constant harass, counter-harass, pushing and creep spreading. Once he lost map control, he lost the game.
looked like he got badly outmacro'd to me. The ultras were the only thing that kept him in the game.
He got out macro'd because he lost map control when he lost the mutas. Can't stop drops, can't deny bases.
On July 20 2013 13:55 jinorazi wrote: rofl korean casters are funny as hell (i dunno who keeps saying it) but they're casting it as if flash already won the game and its only a matter of how he wins it
Jeez, the insight of these guys is amazing. S'why I would love to see more translated korean casts. ):
I mean the mid-game with muta/ling/bling always looks like it's in favor for the zerg, and it usually looks lackluster once terran's upgrades finish, but to call it so soon so well is cool.
Thanks for giving insight to the korean cast. :D
When this was posted, hyvaa was ahead. hyvaa started falling apart soon after, and that's only when the Korean casters' opinion became correct. They weren't right when they said it.
The reason hyvaa lost was because he transitioned too fast into ultras. Like Soulkey did in his game against Innovation in PL. ZvT has become a game of constant harass, counter-harass, pushing and creep spreading. Once he lost map control, he lost the game.
looked like he got badly outmacro'd to me. The ultras were the only thing that kept him in the game.
He got out macro'd because he lost map control when he lost the mutas. Can't stop drops, can't deny bases.
i'd say its more of flash being flash and hyvaa bad macro, he was supply blocked at crucial moments imo when flash was pushing out with marine mine. he had enough to defend but delayed on counter because of it
On July 20 2013 14:10 justjuice wrote: People are saying this game is good? I'm so confused .. Flash is playing at like 50% level for some reason
This is the level of Flash now. Remember his losses to Life at MLG? It was just a build like this, and a play like this. Its weird, but it is like that.
On July 20 2013 13:55 jinorazi wrote: rofl korean casters are funny as hell (i dunno who keeps saying it) but they're casting it as if flash already won the game and its only a matter of how he wins it
Jeez, the insight of these guys is amazing. S'why I would love to see more translated korean casts. ):
I mean the mid-game with muta/ling/bling always looks like it's in favor for the zerg, and it usually looks lackluster once terran's upgrades finish, but to call it so soon so well is cool.
Thanks for giving insight to the korean cast. :D
When this was posted, hyvaa was ahead. hyvaa started falling apart soon after, and that's only when the Korean casters' opinion became correct. They weren't right when they said it.
The reason hyvaa lost was because he transitioned too fast into ultras. Like Soulkey did in his game against Innovation in PL. ZvT has become a game of constant harass, counter-harass, pushing and creep spreading. Once he lost map control, he lost the game.
looked like he got badly outmacro'd to me. The ultras were the only thing that kept him in the game.
He got out macro'd because he lost map control when he lost the mutas. Can't stop drops, can't deny bases.
i'd say its more of flash being flash and hyvaa bad macro, he was supply blocked at crucial moments imo when flash was pushing out with marine mine. he had enough to defend but delayed on counter because of it
Of course Flash had better macro, but the muta death really allowed Flash to take those northern bases, while hyvaa retook that north base soooo late in the game. Flash was consistent all game while hyvaa just couldn't sustain his level of play.
Flash does not look like he's improving. His micro is about average for a Korean and I'd say it's the reason for most of his losses. Splits, drops, just everything micro related is worse than players like Innovation, Bomber, or even Supernova.
On July 20 2013 14:10 justjuice wrote: People are saying this game is good? I'm so confused .. Flash is playing at like 50% level for some reason
This is the level of Flash now. Remember his losses to Life at MLG? It was just a build like this, and a play like this. Its weird, but it is like that.
lol, Flash's TvZ's become a million times better since that MLG.
On July 20 2013 14:10 justjuice wrote: People are saying this game is good? I'm so confused .. Flash is playing at like 50% level for some reason
This is the level of Flash now. Remember his losses to Life at MLG? It was just a build like this, and a play like this. Its weird, but it is like that.
Hes played better. His TvZs vs Soulkey, Effort and Roro were amazingly done.
Hyvaa was in a dominating position till he donated those mutas. Had he kept them for drop defence, he would have rolled over Flash with his broodlord ultra infestor army. That was not a small micro mistake either. That was a massive strategic error trading his entire muta flock trying to pick off a few scvs.
On July 20 2013 14:10 justjuice wrote: People are saying this game is good? I'm so confused .. Flash is playing at like 50% level for some reason
This is the level of Flash now. Remember his losses to Life at MLG? It was just a build like this, and a play like this. Its weird, but it is like that.
Also saying this is analogous to having Innovation to losing a TvT cheaply and then saying "yea this is Flash now, remember his game vs turn? it was just a build like this and a play like this"
On July 20 2013 14:12 Havik_ wrote: Why was Flash limping? He just destroyed Hyvaa.
I think he recently had a leg injury or something. There is a pic of his cast floating on Reddit.
Anyways, that game was way too close for comfort. Although Flash was strong as usual, Hyvaa had some good moments too. I have doubts that KT can win today.
Well I guess Flash can't tense his feet and legs for better control in his upper body. His eyes and reaction times are impressive, but it seems Starcraft 2 micro even escapes the best macro player for Terran.
On July 20 2013 13:55 jinorazi wrote: rofl korean casters are funny as hell (i dunno who keeps saying it) but they're casting it as if flash already won the game and its only a matter of how he wins it
Jeez, the insight of these guys is amazing. S'why I would love to see more translated korean casts. ):
I mean the mid-game with muta/ling/bling always looks like it's in favor for the zerg, and it usually looks lackluster once terran's upgrades finish, but to call it so soon so well is cool.
Thanks for giving insight to the korean cast. :D
When this was posted, hyvaa was ahead. hyvaa started falling apart soon after, and that's only when the Korean casters' opinion became correct. They weren't right when they said it.
The reason hyvaa lost was because he transitioned too fast into ultras. Like Soulkey did in his game against Innovation in PL. ZvT has become a game of constant harass, counter-harass, pushing and creep spreading. Once he lost map control, he lost the game.
looked like he got badly outmacro'd to me. The ultras were the only thing that kept him in the game.
He got out macro'd because he lost map control when he lost the mutas. Can't stop drops, can't deny bases.
i'd say its more of flash being flash and hyvaa bad macro, he was supply blocked at crucial moments imo when flash was pushing out with marine mine. he had enough to defend but delayed on counter because of it
Of course Flash had better macro, but the muta death really allowed Flash to take those northern bases, while hyvaa retook that north base soooo late in the game. Flash was consistent all game while hyvaa just couldn't sustain his level of play.
Flash was just being Macro Flash most of the game. Hyvaa really just never did an actual damage and was always trading inefficiently with Flash. Though Flash really played the Widow Mine part of the game a little too much like with Tanks. Hyvaa's tech was open to be killed at almost any point from the mid-game on, which was weird.
Everything going as I predicted. Stats will win next but Im worried for myungsik. He did well in the IEM qualifiers but Im not sure if he can handle the pressure.
On July 20 2013 13:55 jinorazi wrote: rofl korean casters are funny as hell (i dunno who keeps saying it) but they're casting it as if flash already won the game and its only a matter of how he wins it
Jeez, the insight of these guys is amazing. S'why I would love to see more translated korean casts. ):
I mean the mid-game with muta/ling/bling always looks like it's in favor for the zerg, and it usually looks lackluster once terran's upgrades finish, but to call it so soon so well is cool.
Thanks for giving insight to the korean cast. :D
When this was posted, hyvaa was ahead. hyvaa started falling apart soon after, and that's only when the Korean casters' opinion became correct. They weren't right when they said it.
The reason hyvaa lost was because he transitioned too fast into ultras. Like Soulkey did in his game against Innovation in PL. ZvT has become a game of constant harass, counter-harass, pushing and creep spreading. Once he lost map control, he lost the game.
looked like he got badly outmacro'd to me. The ultras were the only thing that kept him in the game.
He got out macro'd because he lost map control when he lost the mutas. Can't stop drops, can't deny bases.
i'd say its more of flash being flash and hyvaa bad macro, he was supply blocked at crucial moments imo when flash was pushing out with marine mine. he had enough to defend but delayed on counter because of it
Of course Flash had better macro, but the muta death really allowed Flash to take those northern bases, while hyvaa retook that north base soooo late in the game. Flash was consistent all game while hyvaa just couldn't sustain his level of play.
Flash was just being Macro Flash most of the game. Hyvaa really just never did an actual damage and was always trading inefficiently with Flash. Though Flash really played the Widow Mine part of the game a little too much like with Tanks. Hyvaa's tech was open to be killed at almost any point from the mid-game on, which was weird.
Hyvaa was in a pretty solid position, traded as efficiently as you can really trade with banelings and mines on either side, and kept flash on 4 bases for a good period of time.
On July 20 2013 14:18 iLoveKT wrote: Everything going as I predicted. Stats will win next but Im worried for myungsik. He did well in the IEM qualifiers but Im not sure if he can handle the pressure.
No way myungsik beats Trap. Trap's just playing way too well right now.
On July 20 2013 14:18 iLoveKT wrote: Everything going as I predicted. Stats will win next but Im worried for myungsik. He did well in the IEM qualifiers but Im not sure if he can handle the pressure.
On July 20 2013 14:18 iLoveKT wrote: Everything going as I predicted. Stats will win next but Im worried for myungsik. He did well in the IEM qualifiers but Im not sure if he can handle the pressure.
No way myungsik beats Trap. Trap's just playing way too well right now.
On July 20 2013 14:18 iLoveKT wrote: Everything going as I predicted. Stats will win next but Im worried for myungsik. He did well in the IEM qualifiers but Im not sure if he can handle the pressure.
No way myungsik beats Trap. Trap's just playing way too well right now.
I'm taking you've watched the OSL but not the IEM.
On July 20 2013 13:55 jinorazi wrote: rofl korean casters are funny as hell (i dunno who keeps saying it) but they're casting it as if flash already won the game and its only a matter of how he wins it
Jeez, the insight of these guys is amazing. S'why I would love to see more translated korean casts. ):
I mean the mid-game with muta/ling/bling always looks like it's in favor for the zerg, and it usually looks lackluster once terran's upgrades finish, but to call it so soon so well is cool.
Thanks for giving insight to the korean cast. :D
When this was posted, hyvaa was ahead. hyvaa started falling apart soon after, and that's only when the Korean casters' opinion became correct. They weren't right when they said it.
The reason hyvaa lost was because he transitioned too fast into ultras. Like Soulkey did in his game against Innovation in PL. ZvT has become a game of constant harass, counter-harass, pushing and creep spreading. Once he lost map control, he lost the game.
looked like he got badly outmacro'd to me. The ultras were the only thing that kept him in the game.
He got out macro'd because he lost map control when he lost the mutas. Can't stop drops, can't deny bases.
i'd say its more of flash being flash and hyvaa bad macro, he was supply blocked at crucial moments imo when flash was pushing out with marine mine. he had enough to defend but delayed on counter because of it
Of course Flash had better macro, but the muta death really allowed Flash to take those northern bases, while hyvaa retook that north base soooo late in the game. Flash was consistent all game while hyvaa just couldn't sustain his level of play.
He was using his mutas wrong at that time too, and you can't just lose 1700 1700 against flash and not lose momentum
On July 20 2013 13:55 jinorazi wrote: rofl korean casters are funny as hell (i dunno who keeps saying it) but they're casting it as if flash already won the game and its only a matter of how he wins it
Jeez, the insight of these guys is amazing. S'why I would love to see more translated korean casts. ):
I mean the mid-game with muta/ling/bling always looks like it's in favor for the zerg, and it usually looks lackluster once terran's upgrades finish, but to call it so soon so well is cool.
Thanks for giving insight to the korean cast. :D
When this was posted, hyvaa was ahead. hyvaa started falling apart soon after, and that's only when the Korean casters' opinion became correct. They weren't right when they said it.
The reason hyvaa lost was because he transitioned too fast into ultras. Like Soulkey did in his game against Innovation in PL. ZvT has become a game of constant harass, counter-harass, pushing and creep spreading. Once he lost map control, he lost the game.
looked like he got badly outmacro'd to me. The ultras were the only thing that kept him in the game.
He got out macro'd because he lost map control when he lost the mutas. Can't stop drops, can't deny bases.
i'd say its more of flash being flash and hyvaa bad macro, he was supply blocked at crucial moments imo when flash was pushing out with marine mine. he had enough to defend but delayed on counter because of it
Of course Flash had better macro, but the muta death really allowed Flash to take those northern bases, while hyvaa retook that north base soooo late in the game. Flash was consistent all game while hyvaa just couldn't sustain his level of play.
Flash was just being Macro Flash most of the game. Hyvaa really just never did an actual damage and was always trading inefficiently with Flash. Though Flash really played the Widow Mine part of the game a little too much like with Tanks. Hyvaa's tech was open to be killed at almost any point from the mid-game on, which was weird.
Hyvaa was in a pretty solid position, traded as efficiently as you can really trade with banelings and mines on either side, and kept flash on 4 bases for a good period of time.
It was during that period of the game that I was especially scared for Flash and all of KT. Thank goodness Flash managed to come back from that.
On July 20 2013 14:15 Rhaegal wrote: Flash does not look like he's improving. His micro is about average for a Korean and I'd say it's the reason for most of his losses. Splits, drops, just everything micro related is worse than players like Innovation, Bomber, or even Supernova.
bomber messes up his micro a looot in tvz even though he has plenty of amazing moments
On July 20 2013 14:18 iLoveKT wrote: Everything going as I predicted. Stats will win next but Im worried for myungsik. He did well in the IEM qualifiers but Im not sure if he can handle the pressure.
No way myungsik beats Trap. Trap's just playing way too well right now.
I'm taking you've watched the OSL but not the IEM.
On July 20 2013 14:33 Vasoline73 wrote: Honestly a pathetic showing from KT today.... Zest throws, Puzzle gets stomped, Flash barely beats Hyvaa, Stats doesn't think scouting is cool
Stats thinks that throwing away 3 stalkers while your opponent is all-inning is a good thing. If he just retreated them as soon as he saw the DTs he probably would have held.
On July 20 2013 14:23 Pandain wrote: SNM looks so sad, I almost never caster bash and I do enjoy both of them, throughout the whole pro league season
I think they both have improved actually, You can really tell that they are really trying to improve.
They're welcome anywhere on TL and /r/starcraft for feedback. It's another measure of quality, completing the communication cycle to listen to the audience, and then improve.
On July 20 2013 14:39 tshi wrote: Flash must be so mad
He's used to this.
lol ya like if you look at where KT is getting all their points, its from the all kill rounds where flash or wookie (zest) goes crazy. KT just doesn't have the depth for non all kill format.
On July 20 2013 14:41 tuho12345 wrote: well unless they use GSTL format, there'd be no team could beat WJS in the final
KT can if they'd get to the finals...
Haha, no....
Here's how I would head-coach it:
Game 1: FlaSh vs whatever.
Games 2->6: Protoss players go ALL-IN EVERY SINGLE GAME to try to win 2-3 games (if FlaSh takes the first game, then we win two games to take it to Ace. If we get lucky we'll win the whole thing... if not then we hope that the all-ins manage to take 3 games and get FlaSh to the ace).
On July 20 2013 14:41 tuho12345 wrote: well unless they use GSTL format, there'd be no team could beat WJS in the final
KT can if they'd get to the finals...
Haha, no....
KT 3-0 Stars in HotS. Though that includes a match in the all-kill format(4-1) and a match against Stars' B-team(4-2). The other one is 4-1 with Soulkey beating Flash.
Stars' isn't really that deep anymore. With Light and Zero sucking(even had to replace them with Aria and Bravo in some matches) and free and flying only doing kinda ok in the last rounds. Basically, whoever wins between KT and STX will win this season. Judging from this match, STX should make it and win vs Stars convincingly as well.
That hyvaa vs Flash game was crazy. Flash´s tenacity is truly awe-inspiring. But why was he limping? Was he so tense he tore a muscle, I thought he was all-machine by now?
On July 20 2013 15:51 Daswollvieh wrote: That hyvaa vs Flash game was crazy. Flash´s tenacity is truly awe-inspiring. But why was he limping? Was he so tense he tore a muscle, I thought he was all-machine by now?
Not quite, my understanding was that he twisted an ankle or something, I believe that there was a picture of it somewhere on TL.
Additional hurdle for KT: A Flash vs Innovation ace match could go either way. This contrasts against the BW days where Flash was the scariest motherfucker around and sniper builds were mandated or required. Even so, sniper builds often (but not always) failed because Flash would just consistently outplay his opponent in order to turn things around. This doesn't really apply here, does it?
On July 20 2013 15:52 scrubtastic wrote: STX looking awesome, KT not so much.
Additional hurdle for KT: A Flash vs Innovation ace match could go either way. This contrasts against the BW days where Flash was the scariest motherfucker around and sniper builds were mandated or required. Even so, sniper builds often (but not always) failed because Flash would just consistently outplay his opponent in order to turn things around. This doesn't really apply here, does it?
exactly, back in the bw days KT players always had one thing in mind "if we take it to ace, we win" in sc2 not so much, I am sure this hurts the self confidence of many players
On July 20 2013 14:41 tuho12345 wrote: well unless they use GSTL format, there'd be no team could beat WJS in the final
KT can if they'd get to the finals...
Haha, no....
KT 3-0 Stars in HotS. Though that includes a match in the all-kill format(4-1) and a match against Stars' B-team(4-2). The other one is 4-1 with Soulkey beating Flash.
Stars' isn't really that deep anymore. With Light and Zero sucking(even had to replace them with Aria and Bravo in some matches) and free and flying only doing kinda ok in the last rounds. Basically, whoever wins between KT and STX will win this season. Judging from this match, STX should make it and win vs Stars convincingly as well.
I don't think they would win, and in no way would it be convincing or easy what so ever. Woongjin Stars has two players sOs and Soulkey who would be without a doubt super aces on any team(besides flash and innovation); but having two of the arguable top 4 players in the world isn't where we stop. We also have free who is an absolute beast who while your right only did on the last round, destroyed absolutely in the previous round 5.
Then add flying and zero as backups and a third of aria bravo light and I don't think they will be beat; especially when hey e had so much time to prepare, even sent out their b team( who still did pretty alright) in the last round, and we really haven't seen the top 5 of Woonjin play.
This makes them unpredictable and scary. For your dear or stats we have both free and flying. For any single ace, you could face two of sOs or Soulkey, who I think right now is the best player on earth( but we'll see if that comes true and stays true, so don't hold me to that).
You don't prepare for Woonjin; they prepare for you. There are simply too many varieties. That is why until stx/KT advances and see the lineups, they really can't begin preparing except against toss. But sos plays different on a huge level to free, and free from flying.
Meanwhile Woonjin knows they're playing a team with a single Backup Zerg, four toss, and a super ace from a Terran.
On July 20 2013 14:41 tuho12345 wrote: well unless they use GSTL format, there'd be no team could beat WJS in the final
KT can if they'd get to the finals...
Haha, no....
KT 3-0 Stars in HotS. Though that includes a match in the all-kill format(4-1) and a match against Stars' B-team(4-2). The other one is 4-1 with Soulkey beating Flash.
Stars' isn't really that deep anymore. With Light and Zero sucking(even had to replace them with Aria and Bravo in some matches) and free and flying only doing kinda ok in the last rounds. Basically, whoever wins between KT and STX will win this season. Judging from this match, STX should make it and win vs Stars convincingly as well.
I don't think they would win, and in no way would it be convincing or easy what so ever. Woongjin Stars has two players sOs and Soulkey who would be without a doubt super aces on any team(besides flash and innovation); but having two of the arguable top 4 players in the world isn't where we stop. We also have free who is an absolute beast who while your right only did on the last round, destroyed absolutely in the previous round 5.
Then add flying and zero as backups and a third of aria bravo light and I don't think they will be beat; especially when hey e had so much time to prepare, even sent out their b team( who still did pretty alright) in the last round, and we really haven't seen the top 5 of Woonjin play.
This makes them unpredictable and scary. For your dear or stats we have both free and flying. For any single ace, you could face two of sOs or Soulkey, who I think right now is the best player on earth( but we'll see if that comes true and stays true, so don't hold me to that).
You don't prepare for Woonjin; they prepare for you. There are simply too many varieties. That is why until stx/KT advances and see the lineups, they really can't begin preparing except against toss. But sos plays different on a huge level to free, and free from flying.
Meanwhile Woonjin knows they're playing a team with a single Backup Zerg, four toss, and a super ace from a Terran.
On July 20 2013 14:41 tuho12345 wrote: well unless they use GSTL format, there'd be no team could beat WJS in the final
KT can if they'd get to the finals...
Haha, no....
KT 3-0 Stars in HotS. Though that includes a match in the all-kill format(4-1) and a match against Stars' B-team(4-2). The other one is 4-1 with Soulkey beating Flash.
Stars' isn't really that deep anymore. With Light and Zero sucking(even had to replace them with Aria and Bravo in some matches) and free and flying only doing kinda ok in the last rounds. Basically, whoever wins between KT and STX will win this season. Judging from this match, STX should make it and win vs Stars convincingly as well.
I don't think they would win, and in no way would it be convincing or easy what so ever. Woongjin Stars has two players sOs and Soulkey who would be without a doubt super aces on any team(besides flash and innovation); but having two of the arguable top 4 players in the world isn't where we stop. We also have free who is an absolute beast who while your right only did on the last round, destroyed absolutely in the previous round 5.
Then add flying and zero as backups and a third of aria bravo light and I don't think they will be beat; especially when hey e had so much time to prepare, even sent out their b team( who still did pretty alright) in the last round, and we really haven't seen the top 5 of Woonjin play.
This makes them unpredictable and scary. For your dear or stats we have both free and flying. For any single ace, you could face two of sOs or Soulkey, who I think right now is the best player on earth( but we'll see if that comes true and stays true, so don't hold me to that).
You don't prepare for Woonjin; they prepare for you. There are simply too many varieties. That is why until stx/KT advances and see the lineups, they really can't begin preparing except against toss. But sos plays different on a huge level to free, and free from flying.
Meanwhile Woonjin knows they're playing a team with a single Backup Zerg, four toss, and a super ace from a Terran.
They are already preparing now.
They will win, and they will dominate.
Ok.
It's just my opinion though, your point is valid. It depends on how much secret training and most importantly refinement of builds that they do during this time, because refined builds are what I see win most often in pro league
On July 20 2013 15:52 scrubtastic wrote: STX looking awesome, KT not so much.
Additional hurdle for KT: A Flash vs Innovation ace match could go either way. This contrasts against the BW days where Flash was the scariest motherfucker around and sniper builds were mandated or required. Even so, sniper builds often (but not always) failed because Flash would just consistently outplay his opponent in order to turn things around. This doesn't really apply here, does it?
exactly, back in the bw days KT players always had one thing in mind "if we take it to ace, we win" in sc2 not so much, I am sure this hurts the self confidence of many players
Except that Bisu beat Flash in the final SKT1 vs KT showdown.. damn what a great game that was. Nail biting from start to finish!!
On July 20 2013 07:58 lolmlg wrote: So hyped for this brutal assraping.
During BW I really disliked STX. They were always the objectively bad team who got cheap wins at the worst times. But in SC2 the only real rivalry is STX vs. Woongjin. Eagerly awaiting that finals.
NOT DISAPPOINTED. Except it would have been nice to see hyvaa pick up a win.
On July 20 2013 15:52 scrubtastic wrote: STX looking awesome, KT not so much.
Additional hurdle for KT: A Flash vs Innovation ace match could go either way. This contrasts against the BW days where Flash was the scariest motherfucker around and sniper builds were mandated or required. Even so, sniper builds often (but not always) failed because Flash would just consistently outplay his opponent in order to turn things around. This doesn't really apply here, does it?
exactly, back in the bw days KT players always had one thing in mind "if we take it to ace, we win" in sc2 not so much, I am sure this hurts the self confidence of many players
Except that Bisu beat Flash in the final SKT1 vs KT showdown.. damn what a great game that was. Nail biting from start to finish!!
On July 21 2013 10:03 lichter wrote: Why isn't there a thread yet?
Hypothesis: there aren't a lot of true STX fans devoted enough to make a thread, while KT fans realize they'll get dumped out of the playoffs today.
Meanwhile WJS fans are still asleep.
Well, the only thing KT is dumping is their players pouring gatorade on Clide's head after winning it all Also I've never been a host of a LR Thread before and also lazy >_>
On July 21 2013 10:03 lichter wrote: Why isn't there a thread yet?
Hypothesis: there aren't a lot of true STX fans devoted enough to make a thread, while KT fans realize they'll get dumped out of the playoffs today.
Meanwhile WJS fans are still asleep.
Well, the only thing KT is dumping is their players pouring gatorade on Clide's head after winning it all Also I've never been a host of a LR Thread before and also lazy >_>
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