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Nerevar
Profile Joined January 2013
547 Posts
July 20 2013 05:17 GMT
#661
On July 20 2013 14:12 Havik_ wrote:
Why was Flash limping? He just destroyed Hyvaa.

I think he recently had a leg injury or something. There is a pic of his cast floating on Reddit.

Anyways, that game was way too close for comfort. Although Flash was strong as usual, Hyvaa had some good moments too. I have doubts that KT can win today.
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
July 20 2013 05:17 GMT
#662
Well I guess Flash can't tense his feet and legs for better control in his upper body. His eyes and reaction times are impressive, but it seems Starcraft 2 micro even escapes the best macro player for Terran.
Support your esport!
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
July 20 2013 05:17 GMT
#663
On July 20 2013 14:15 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 14:12 jinorazi wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:11 lichter wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:09 Rhaegal wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:08 stuchiu wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:07 lichter wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:05 ZombieGrub wrote:
On July 20 2013 13:55 jinorazi wrote:
rofl korean casters are funny as hell (i dunno who keeps saying it)
but they're casting it as if flash already won the game and its only a matter of how he wins it


Jeez, the insight of these guys is amazing. S'why I would love to see more translated korean casts. ):

I mean the mid-game with muta/ling/bling always looks like it's in favor for the zerg, and it usually looks lackluster once terran's upgrades finish, but to call it so soon so well is cool.

Thanks for giving insight to the korean cast. :D


When this was posted, hyvaa was ahead. hyvaa started falling apart soon after, and that's only when the Korean casters' opinion became correct. They weren't right when they said it.


The reason hyvaa lost was because he transitioned too fast into ultras. Like Soulkey did in his game against Innovation in PL. ZvT has become a game of constant harass, counter-harass, pushing and creep spreading. Once he lost map control, he lost the game.


looked like he got badly outmacro'd to me. The ultras were the only thing that kept him in the game.


He got out macro'd because he lost map control when he lost the mutas. Can't stop drops, can't deny bases.


i'd say its more of flash being flash and hyvaa bad macro, he was supply blocked at crucial moments imo when flash was pushing out with marine mine. he had enough to defend but delayed on counter because of it


Of course Flash had better macro, but the muta death really allowed Flash to take those northern bases, while hyvaa retook that north base soooo late in the game. Flash was consistent all game while hyvaa just couldn't sustain his level of play.



Flash was just being Macro Flash most of the game. Hyvaa really just never did an actual damage and was always trading inefficiently with Flash. Though Flash really played the Widow Mine part of the game a little too much like with Tanks. Hyvaa's tech was open to be killed at almost any point from the mid-game on, which was weird.
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
July 20 2013 05:18 GMT
#664
Everything going as I predicted. Stats will win next but Im worried for myungsik. He did well in the IEM qualifiers but Im not sure if he can handle the pressure.
Woo Jung Ho
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3621 Posts
July 20 2013 05:18 GMT
#665
On July 20 2013 14:16 Arceus wrote:
SoulKey & sOs for next episode of Star Hangeul. And they are eating cream(??) like...dogs


Might be maeguli (spelling?) which iirc is a kind of rice wine but at any rate is alcoholic and white.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19397 Posts
July 20 2013 05:19 GMT
#666
I feel like I should end the night on that game.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
July 20 2013 05:19 GMT
#667
On July 20 2013 14:17 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 14:15 lichter wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:12 jinorazi wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:11 lichter wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:09 Rhaegal wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:08 stuchiu wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:07 lichter wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:05 ZombieGrub wrote:
On July 20 2013 13:55 jinorazi wrote:
rofl korean casters are funny as hell (i dunno who keeps saying it)
but they're casting it as if flash already won the game and its only a matter of how he wins it


Jeez, the insight of these guys is amazing. S'why I would love to see more translated korean casts. ):

I mean the mid-game with muta/ling/bling always looks like it's in favor for the zerg, and it usually looks lackluster once terran's upgrades finish, but to call it so soon so well is cool.

Thanks for giving insight to the korean cast. :D


When this was posted, hyvaa was ahead. hyvaa started falling apart soon after, and that's only when the Korean casters' opinion became correct. They weren't right when they said it.


The reason hyvaa lost was because he transitioned too fast into ultras. Like Soulkey did in his game against Innovation in PL. ZvT has become a game of constant harass, counter-harass, pushing and creep spreading. Once he lost map control, he lost the game.


looked like he got badly outmacro'd to me. The ultras were the only thing that kept him in the game.


He got out macro'd because he lost map control when he lost the mutas. Can't stop drops, can't deny bases.


i'd say its more of flash being flash and hyvaa bad macro, he was supply blocked at crucial moments imo when flash was pushing out with marine mine. he had enough to defend but delayed on counter because of it


Of course Flash had better macro, but the muta death really allowed Flash to take those northern bases, while hyvaa retook that north base soooo late in the game. Flash was consistent all game while hyvaa just couldn't sustain his level of play.



Flash was just being Macro Flash most of the game. Hyvaa really just never did an actual damage and was always trading inefficiently with Flash. Though Flash really played the Widow Mine part of the game a little too much like with Tanks. Hyvaa's tech was open to be killed at almost any point from the mid-game on, which was weird.

Hyvaa was in a pretty solid position, traded as efficiently as you can really trade with banelings and mines on either side, and kept flash on 4 bases for a good period of time.
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1311 Posts
July 20 2013 05:19 GMT
#668
On July 20 2013 14:18 iLoveKT wrote:
Everything going as I predicted. Stats will win next but Im worried for myungsik. He did well in the IEM qualifiers but Im not sure if he can handle the pressure.


No way myungsik beats Trap. Trap's just playing way too well right now.
STX Fighting!
Erraa93
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia891 Posts
July 20 2013 05:19 GMT
#669
Wow STX really taking it to KT... They're looking good..
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-20 05:20:25
July 20 2013 05:19 GMT
#670
On July 20 2013 14:18 iLoveKT wrote:
Everything going as I predicted. Stats will win next but Im worried for myungsik. He did well in the IEM qualifiers but Im not sure if he can handle the pressure.

We'll see if Myungsik is a Stats or a Wooki.
On July 20 2013 14:19 vesicular wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 14:18 iLoveKT wrote:
Everything going as I predicted. Stats will win next but Im worried for myungsik. He did well in the IEM qualifiers but Im not sure if he can handle the pressure.


No way myungsik beats Trap. Trap's just playing way too well right now.

PvP.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
July 20 2013 05:20 GMT
#671
On July 20 2013 14:19 vesicular wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 14:18 iLoveKT wrote:
Everything going as I predicted. Stats will win next but Im worried for myungsik. He did well in the IEM qualifiers but Im not sure if he can handle the pressure.


No way myungsik beats Trap. Trap's just playing way too well right now.

I'm taking you've watched the OSL but not the IEM.
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
July 20 2013 05:20 GMT
#672
Ahh snap. Trap is the mini boss before the big boss fight.
Lets see if Kt can fight their way there or if Game Over falls over there screen first.

Was so awesome watching Flash dominate hyvaa at the end of the game (just got home now).

Hoping to see Innovation v Flash ace!
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
July 20 2013 05:20 GMT
#673
I think Flash knew that bio forces were the best choice on that small of a map, and was relentless in proving it.
Support your esport!
Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
July 20 2013 05:20 GMT
#674
Crazy game. I don't think it'll get to Innovation vs Flash, sadly.
YellOw, Reach, & Nal_Ra Hwaiting!!
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
July 20 2013 05:20 GMT
#675
On July 20 2013 14:19 BisuDagger wrote:
I feel like I should end the night on that game.

maybe it'll go to ace?
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
July 20 2013 05:21 GMT
#676
--- Nuked ---
Grobnik
Profile Joined January 2012
United States119 Posts
July 20 2013 05:21 GMT
#677
On July 20 2013 14:20 Epithet wrote:
Crazy game. I don't think it'll get to Innovation vs Flash, sadly.


We can hope!
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 20 2013 05:21 GMT
#678
On July 20 2013 14:15 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 14:12 jinorazi wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:11 lichter wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:09 Rhaegal wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:08 stuchiu wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:07 lichter wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:05 ZombieGrub wrote:
On July 20 2013 13:55 jinorazi wrote:
rofl korean casters are funny as hell (i dunno who keeps saying it)
but they're casting it as if flash already won the game and its only a matter of how he wins it


Jeez, the insight of these guys is amazing. S'why I would love to see more translated korean casts. ):

I mean the mid-game with muta/ling/bling always looks like it's in favor for the zerg, and it usually looks lackluster once terran's upgrades finish, but to call it so soon so well is cool.

Thanks for giving insight to the korean cast. :D


When this was posted, hyvaa was ahead. hyvaa started falling apart soon after, and that's only when the Korean casters' opinion became correct. They weren't right when they said it.


The reason hyvaa lost was because he transitioned too fast into ultras. Like Soulkey did in his game against Innovation in PL. ZvT has become a game of constant harass, counter-harass, pushing and creep spreading. Once he lost map control, he lost the game.


looked like he got badly outmacro'd to me. The ultras were the only thing that kept him in the game.


He got out macro'd because he lost map control when he lost the mutas. Can't stop drops, can't deny bases.


i'd say its more of flash being flash and hyvaa bad macro, he was supply blocked at crucial moments imo when flash was pushing out with marine mine. he had enough to defend but delayed on counter because of it


Of course Flash had better macro, but the muta death really allowed Flash to take those northern bases, while hyvaa retook that north base soooo late in the game. Flash was consistent all game while hyvaa just couldn't sustain his level of play.


He was using his mutas wrong at that time too, and you can't just lose 1700 1700 against flash and not lose momentum
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 20 2013 05:22 GMT
#679
On July 20 2013 14:20 rift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 14:19 BisuDagger wrote:
I feel like I should end the night on that game.

maybe it'll go to ace?


The last Innovation vs Flash gave me blue balls
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Nerevar
Profile Joined January 2013
547 Posts
July 20 2013 05:23 GMT
#680
On July 20 2013 14:19 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 14:17 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:15 lichter wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:12 jinorazi wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:11 lichter wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:09 Rhaegal wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:08 stuchiu wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:07 lichter wrote:
On July 20 2013 14:05 ZombieGrub wrote:
On July 20 2013 13:55 jinorazi wrote:
rofl korean casters are funny as hell (i dunno who keeps saying it)
but they're casting it as if flash already won the game and its only a matter of how he wins it


Jeez, the insight of these guys is amazing. S'why I would love to see more translated korean casts. ):

I mean the mid-game with muta/ling/bling always looks like it's in favor for the zerg, and it usually looks lackluster once terran's upgrades finish, but to call it so soon so well is cool.

Thanks for giving insight to the korean cast. :D


When this was posted, hyvaa was ahead. hyvaa started falling apart soon after, and that's only when the Korean casters' opinion became correct. They weren't right when they said it.


The reason hyvaa lost was because he transitioned too fast into ultras. Like Soulkey did in his game against Innovation in PL. ZvT has become a game of constant harass, counter-harass, pushing and creep spreading. Once he lost map control, he lost the game.


looked like he got badly outmacro'd to me. The ultras were the only thing that kept him in the game.


He got out macro'd because he lost map control when he lost the mutas. Can't stop drops, can't deny bases.


i'd say its more of flash being flash and hyvaa bad macro, he was supply blocked at crucial moments imo when flash was pushing out with marine mine. he had enough to defend but delayed on counter because of it


Of course Flash had better macro, but the muta death really allowed Flash to take those northern bases, while hyvaa retook that north base soooo late in the game. Flash was consistent all game while hyvaa just couldn't sustain his level of play.



Flash was just being Macro Flash most of the game. Hyvaa really just never did an actual damage and was always trading inefficiently with Flash. Though Flash really played the Widow Mine part of the game a little too much like with Tanks. Hyvaa's tech was open to be killed at almost any point from the mid-game on, which was weird.

Hyvaa was in a pretty solid position, traded as efficiently as you can really trade with banelings and mines on either side, and kept flash on 4 bases for a good period of time.

It was during that period of the game that I was especially scared for Flash and all of KT. Thank goodness Flash managed to come back from that.
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