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Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
July 19 2013 15:29 GMT
#501
On July 20 2013 00:22 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 00:20 Zyzz12 wrote:
On July 20 2013 00:17 Lorch wrote:
On July 20 2013 00:11 Zyzz12 wrote:
On July 20 2013 00:10 Lorch wrote:
On July 20 2013 00:07 virpi wrote:
stephano is losing vs lions, series tied now.


Oh god pls have him drop out. With his practice attitude and the fact that he is just in it for the money he makes pro gaming look like a joke, I really can't wait for the day he retires, hopefully droping out of dh helps with speeding that up.


The pro in pro gaming is for professional = money. So that doesn't make a lot sense to not go for the money.
(And yes I think everything called pro without making any money is wrong used.)


So there were only like 20 foreign bw pro gamers ever? And where do you draw the line? Am I a pro gamer when I make 5 bucks at a local lan? Honestly to me a pro gamer is someone who puts all of his time into the game and tries his best to become the best, not to be able to build roaches, a move to victory and use it as a cash cow to drink alcohol.
Honestly if courage was still around I'd say a pro gamer is someone with a license...


I'd draw the line where you can live from it. But that's just my point of view.

I don't mind calling a lot more pro. My point was that going just for the money is exactly what pro stands for so doing this can't be a "joke".


To me there is a giant difference between making money off of it and doing it for the money, but to each his own. And I think I can call stephano a joke "pro" gamer as much as I want^^


Lets be honest about this, you would never get into progaming to make money (and if you do you must be a complete moron or very deluded) so at one point it's very likely that he was passionate about the game. Isn't the main reason he's retiring because he doesn't enjoy the game anymore? Sounds to be like you just don't like Stephano.

sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
July 19 2013 15:30 GMT
#502
I liked seeing the comparative APM values in that last JD score screen.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
July 19 2013 15:30 GMT
#503
Watching Jaedong play vs protoss is so painful, even when he wins. He just manages to find the most difficult path to walk in 90% of his games.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
July 19 2013 15:30 GMT
#504
Looks like Sonder 2-1 Denver, dammit !
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Prince_Stranger
Profile Joined November 2010
Kazakhstan762 Posts
July 19 2013 15:31 GMT
#505
Finally Jaedong won this. It is sad that in sc2 every Jaedong game looks like even and his mechanics don't give him advantage.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 19 2013 15:32 GMT
#506
On July 20 2013 00:30 bo1b wrote:
Watching Jaedong play vs protoss is so painful, even when he wins. He just manages to find the most difficult path to walk in 90% of his games.

this. He could've easily taken out the protoss army there but then went for a base trade and he didn't even take out the pylon for those 4 gates before he left lol.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Shade29
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8 Posts
July 19 2013 15:33 GMT
#507
On July 20 2013 00:30 bo1b wrote:
Watching Jaedong play vs protoss is so painful, even when he wins. He just manages to find the most difficult path to walk in 90% of his games.


What was his final APM?
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 19 2013 15:33 GMT
#508
On July 20 2013 00:33 Shade29 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 00:30 bo1b wrote:
Watching Jaedong play vs protoss is so painful, even when he wins. He just manages to find the most difficult path to walk in 90% of his games.


What was his final APM?

200 or something? why does that matter though?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
July 19 2013 15:33 GMT
#509
MarineLorD 2-0 Bunny, frenchies rocking !
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
July 19 2013 15:33 GMT
#510
On July 20 2013 00:31 Prince_Stranger wrote:
Finally Jaedong won this. It is sad that in sc2 every Jaedong game looks like even and his mechanics don't give him advantage.

Thats just not true lol. He looks weak vs protoss because he just doesn't seem to get it. The only reason he wins in a lot of zvp games is his mechanics. In a matchup where he understands whats going on, like zvt and zvz his winrates and gameplay are absurd.
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3683 Posts
July 19 2013 15:34 GMT
#511
On July 20 2013 00:29 Greendotz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 00:22 Lorch wrote:
On July 20 2013 00:20 Zyzz12 wrote:
On July 20 2013 00:17 Lorch wrote:
On July 20 2013 00:11 Zyzz12 wrote:
On July 20 2013 00:10 Lorch wrote:
On July 20 2013 00:07 virpi wrote:
stephano is losing vs lions, series tied now.


Oh god pls have him drop out. With his practice attitude and the fact that he is just in it for the money he makes pro gaming look like a joke, I really can't wait for the day he retires, hopefully droping out of dh helps with speeding that up.


The pro in pro gaming is for professional = money. So that doesn't make a lot sense to not go for the money.
(And yes I think everything called pro without making any money is wrong used.)


So there were only like 20 foreign bw pro gamers ever? And where do you draw the line? Am I a pro gamer when I make 5 bucks at a local lan? Honestly to me a pro gamer is someone who puts all of his time into the game and tries his best to become the best, not to be able to build roaches, a move to victory and use it as a cash cow to drink alcohol.
Honestly if courage was still around I'd say a pro gamer is someone with a license...


I'd draw the line where you can live from it. But that's just my point of view.

I don't mind calling a lot more pro. My point was that going just for the money is exactly what pro stands for so doing this can't be a "joke".


To me there is a giant difference between making money off of it and doing it for the money, but to each his own. And I think I can call stephano a joke "pro" gamer as much as I want^^


Lets be honest about this, you would never get into progaming to make money (and if you do you must be a complete moron or very deluded) so at one point it's very likely that he was passionate about the game. Isn't the main reason he's retiring because he doesn't enjoy the game anymore? Sounds to be like you just don't like Stephano.



I'm fairly sure the game he enjoyed was war 3, then he realized that wol wasn't that much harder and he figured out one point of the meta really well, and after that I'm fairly sure he stayed in it for the money, and imo the reason he drops out is because he doesn't make as much as he used to. And yeah I do not like him, as I wouldn't like anyone so unwilling to work hard.
jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
July 19 2013 15:35 GMT
#512
Great series with Pandatank taking a 2-0 over HyDrA!
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Rhaegal
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States678 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-19 15:37:40
July 19 2013 15:35 GMT
#513
On July 20 2013 00:33 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 00:31 Prince_Stranger wrote:
Finally Jaedong won this. It is sad that in sc2 every Jaedong game looks like even and his mechanics don't give him advantage.

Thats just not true lol. He looks weak vs protoss because he just doesn't seem to get it. The only reason he wins in a lot of zvp games is his mechanics. In a matchup where he understands whats going on, like zvt and zvz his winrates and gameplay are absurd.



His TvZ's and ZvZ's, where he can fully utilize his great mechanics, look phenomenal and are beautiful to watch though.

quoted wrong person. Yea, I agree with you. He hasn't fully learnt the ZvP matchup.
http://www.twitch.tv/agonysc
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
July 19 2013 15:36 GMT
#514
DENMARK FUCK YEAH!
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
July 19 2013 15:41 GMT
#515
HuK losing game one vs Elfi because he went proxy stargate oracle before warpgate and elfi just marched into his base with stalkers.
LeLfe
Profile Joined February 2011
France3160 Posts
July 19 2013 15:45 GMT
#516
YuGiOh 2-0 Minimath (10pool bling both times)
Writer for Red bull (Fr) and Iron Squid (En/Fr) @ClemLeLfe on twitter
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
July 19 2013 15:45 GMT
#517
Stephano drops a map and all the haters pop out of the woodwork. Sad that some people hate to see talented players succeed.
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-19 15:46:40
July 19 2013 15:45 GMT
#518
Hyun just throws roach/ling/bane at bunny till he dies

Edit: no idea why Bunny didnt make more tanks, i feel they would have been much better than mines in this situation
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 19 2013 15:46 GMT
#519
On July 20 2013 00:45 LeLfe wrote:
YuGiOh 2-0 Minimath (10pool bling both times)



What would julyzerg do?
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CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
July 19 2013 15:46 GMT
#520
Whenever I see a good Zerg like that dominating/not taking dmg it just looks like Zerg is completely invincible and pretty easy. It's a shame their prowess isn't really very visible, at least with this style.
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