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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 26 2013 19:36 GMT
#241
On July 27 2013 04:33 krutopatkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 04:30 fastr wrote:
I think Stephano, Naniwa, Scarlett, TLO and Snute is the undisputed top5 (in no particular order. After these 5, I'd add Lucifron, Mana, Dimaga. Then i'm really not sure, Demuslim, Happy, Vortix, dayshi comes into mind but it's unclear.
edit: and if we count chinese players, Jim is definitely up there

How is Scarlett "undisputed" in front of Luci? They both have about the same results. (well Luci has better actually, including him beating Scarlett 3:0 at this ipl dice thingy)


That was 4 months ago. At some point you have to let go of past results.
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fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France902 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 19:42:41
July 26 2013 19:37 GMT
#242
Am i the only one having trouble seeing units and health bars on the stream? Seems like there is way too much contrast or something, plus some strange aliasing.
edit: and for the love of god if you're going to hide health bars at least choose the option that allows to see damaged unit one, I hate when i can't see the energy on ghost and templars because the obs doesnt select them
krutopatkin
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2612 Posts
July 26 2013 19:37 GMT
#243
On July 27 2013 04:36 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 04:33 krutopatkin wrote:
On July 27 2013 04:30 fastr wrote:
I think Stephano, Naniwa, Scarlett, TLO and Snute is the undisputed top5 (in no particular order. After these 5, I'd add Lucifron, Mana, Dimaga. Then i'm really not sure, Demuslim, Happy, Vortix, dayshi comes into mind but it's unclear.
edit: and if we count chinese players, Jim is definitely up there

How is Scarlett "undisputed" in front of Luci? They both have about the same results. (well Luci has better actually, including him beating Scarlett 3:0 at this ipl dice thingy)


That was 4 months ago. At some point you have to let go of past results.

As opposed to Scarlett's current results
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
July 26 2013 19:38 GMT
#244
On July 27 2013 04:33 Greendotz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 04:30 stuchiu wrote:
On July 27 2013 04:29 krutopatkin wrote:
On July 27 2013 04:29 stuchiu wrote:
On July 27 2013 04:23 tree.hugger wrote:
On July 27 2013 04:20 DamageControL wrote:
On July 27 2013 04:16 fastr wrote:
SeleCT dit not play badly, TLO just played an amazing series. I also think the 3-0 is due to the fact that SeleCT did not look prepared against TLO's style, for instance in game 3 I think he should've switch to tank way earlier, and play super defensive. TLO's drop defense was also top notch. TLO is definitely in the top10 foreigner list, maybe even top 5. Give 1 or 2 more month to SeleCT and he might join him, he showed glimpses of really great play these last few weeks.

Who do people feel are top10 right now?
(Not in order) TLO, Snute, Stephano, NaNiwa, SaSe, LucifroN, and beyond that group it gets really muddy.


Do Chinese players count as foreigners?

Well, are Chinese players Korean?


Nope, but no one ever mentions Jim or Sen when talking about top foreigners, so I wasn't sure.


To be fair Sen would really struggle to make anyone's top ten anymore. Jim, yeah that's a fair shout, but it's easy to forget about the Chinese. Also aside from the rare 1 hour stream, the (admitadly easy) WCS group he obliterated and buzzwords like "#1 KrGM" people still know very little about him.

I've doubted Sen before but he always manages to pull out some great play at international tournaments he appears in. I agree that he hasn't played particularly well in WCS.

Chinese players are hard to rate for me. MacSed has looked like nothing special, but Jim seems to play extremely well. I'd need to see Jim play more before I put him in the top 10 foreigners.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
July 26 2013 19:39 GMT
#245
On the subject of the game we're watching, Illusion really needs to clear the observers that are all over his army.
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Green_25
Profile Joined June 2013
Great Britain696 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 19:41:04
July 26 2013 19:40 GMT
#246
No foreigners have 'great' results. Except for Naniwa and Stephano.

Its better to rank in terms of skill/potential, and Lucifron/Scarlett are both pretty high up there. Difficult to split them.

Jim is for sure a top foreigner. He may not have won anything but if you've seen him play you'd understand what I mean
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
July 26 2013 19:40 GMT
#247
9/10 games you see with HuK you see him engage with less than all of his army. It seems so weird when people learn to not do that in plat...
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
July 26 2013 19:43 GMT
#248
On July 27 2013 04:36 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 04:33 krutopatkin wrote:
On July 27 2013 04:30 fastr wrote:
I think Stephano, Naniwa, Scarlett, TLO and Snute is the undisputed top5 (in no particular order. After these 5, I'd add Lucifron, Mana, Dimaga. Then i'm really not sure, Demuslim, Happy, Vortix, dayshi comes into mind but it's unclear.
edit: and if we count chinese players, Jim is definitely up there

How is Scarlett "undisputed" in front of Luci? They both have about the same results. (well Luci has better actually, including him beating Scarlett 3:0 at this ipl dice thingy)


That was 4 months ago. At some point you have to let go of past results.

Well, they both beat some Koreans and lose to others, LucifroN got a bit further in WCS (granted, it's easier in Europe) and Scarlett doesn't attend foreign tournaments pretty much.

I strongly disagree with the statement that Scarlett is clearly ranked above him. Not that it matters much.
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
July 26 2013 19:43 GMT
#249
I wonder why illusion doesn't scan to snipe observers. Guess his APM can't handle another task?
Don't mind me
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
July 26 2013 19:44 GMT
#250
lol nuke
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
July 26 2013 19:44 GMT
#251
It's actually been a while since I've seen 10 colossi in PvT
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46627 Posts
July 26 2013 19:45 GMT
#252
Nice job HuK
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
July 26 2013 19:45 GMT
#253
Not surprised why Mouz let illusion go. His play seems like he is rusty from a lack of practice
Don't mind me
ntssauce
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany750 Posts
July 26 2013 19:45 GMT
#254
lazerzzzzz wui whui whui
MMA and Alive you are the best! | Goodbye ST_Sound ~
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46627 Posts
July 26 2013 19:45 GMT
#255
On July 27 2013 04:44 Greendotz wrote:
It's actually been a while since I've seen 10 colossi in PvT


That's what happens when the Terran doesn't rebuild his vikings.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
July 26 2013 19:45 GMT
#256
LAZERSSSS.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
July 26 2013 19:45 GMT
#257
On July 27 2013 04:38 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 04:33 Greendotz wrote:
On July 27 2013 04:30 stuchiu wrote:
On July 27 2013 04:29 krutopatkin wrote:
On July 27 2013 04:29 stuchiu wrote:
On July 27 2013 04:23 tree.hugger wrote:
On July 27 2013 04:20 DamageControL wrote:
On July 27 2013 04:16 fastr wrote:
SeleCT dit not play badly, TLO just played an amazing series. I also think the 3-0 is due to the fact that SeleCT did not look prepared against TLO's style, for instance in game 3 I think he should've switch to tank way earlier, and play super defensive. TLO's drop defense was also top notch. TLO is definitely in the top10 foreigner list, maybe even top 5. Give 1 or 2 more month to SeleCT and he might join him, he showed glimpses of really great play these last few weeks.

Who do people feel are top10 right now?
(Not in order) TLO, Snute, Stephano, NaNiwa, SaSe, LucifroN, and beyond that group it gets really muddy.


Do Chinese players count as foreigners?

Well, are Chinese players Korean?


Nope, but no one ever mentions Jim or Sen when talking about top foreigners, so I wasn't sure.


To be fair Sen would really struggle to make anyone's top ten anymore. Jim, yeah that's a fair shout, but it's easy to forget about the Chinese. Also aside from the rare 1 hour stream, the (admitadly easy) WCS group he obliterated and buzzwords like "#1 KrGM" people still know very little about him.

I've doubted Sen before but he always manages to pull out some great play at international tournaments he appears in. I agree that he hasn't played particularly well in WCS.

Chinese players are hard to rate for me. MacSed has looked like nothing special, but Jim seems to play extremely well. I'd need to see Jim play more before I put him in the top 10 foreigners.


I would put Jim in top 10 foreigners
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 26 2013 19:46 GMT
#258
On July 27 2013 04:43 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 04:36 stuchiu wrote:
On July 27 2013 04:33 krutopatkin wrote:
On July 27 2013 04:30 fastr wrote:
I think Stephano, Naniwa, Scarlett, TLO and Snute is the undisputed top5 (in no particular order. After these 5, I'd add Lucifron, Mana, Dimaga. Then i'm really not sure, Demuslim, Happy, Vortix, dayshi comes into mind but it's unclear.
edit: and if we count chinese players, Jim is definitely up there

How is Scarlett "undisputed" in front of Luci? They both have about the same results. (well Luci has better actually, including him beating Scarlett 3:0 at this ipl dice thingy)


That was 4 months ago. At some point you have to let go of past results.

Well, they both beat some Koreans and lose to others, LucifroN got a bit further in WCS (granted, it's easier in Europe) and Scarlett doesn't attend foreign tournaments pretty much.

I strongly disagree with the statement that Scarlett is clearly ranked above him. Not that it matters much.


I wasn't saying one way or another who was definitively better. But a 4 month old results is kinda not as relevant.
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D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
July 26 2013 19:46 GMT
#259
Huk built those colossi nicely.
why even
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
July 26 2013 19:46 GMT
#260
On July 27 2013 04:26 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 04:24 DamageControL wrote:
On July 27 2013 04:23 krutopatkin wrote:
On July 27 2013 04:20 DamageControL wrote:
On July 27 2013 04:16 fastr wrote:
SeleCT dit not play badly, TLO just played an amazing series. I also think the 3-0 is due to the fact that SeleCT did not look prepared against TLO's style, for instance in game 3 I think he should've switch to tank way earlier, and play super defensive. TLO's drop defense was also top notch. TLO is definitely in the top10 foreigner list, maybe even top 5. Give 1 or 2 more month to SeleCT and he might join him, he showed glimpses of really great play these last few weeks.

Who do people feel are top10 right now?

Aligulac top10 foreigners does a pretty good job

It hugely inflates luci tho

If LucifroN isn't in someone's top ten foreigner list, then that probably immediately disqualifies him from making a list.

He's on my top ten for sure but i don't think he's leaps and bounds above everyone else...but I'm not a pro or even a great player so idk
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