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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On July 27 2013 04:20 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:16 fastr wrote:
SeleCT dit not play badly, TLO just played an amazing series. I also think the 3-0 is due to the fact that SeleCT did not look prepared against TLO's style, for instance in game 3 I think he should've switch to tank way earlier, and play super defensive. TLO's drop defense was also top notch. TLO is definitely in the top10 foreigner list, maybe even top 5. Give 1 or 2 more month to SeleCT and he might join him, he showed glimpses of really great play these last few weeks. Who do people feel are top10 right now? (Not in order) TLO, Snute, Stephano, NaNiwa, SaSe, LucifroN, and beyond that group it gets really muddy.
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United States23455 Posts
On July 27 2013 04:22 Dzerzhinsky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:15 Greendotz wrote:On July 27 2013 04:03 Dzerzhinsky wrote:
Select not looking forward to the Viper buff. Is this a joke or is there seriously a proposed viper buff? David Kim's latest interview: "But currently, Viper is not strong, we are planning to make some changes to it." Thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422804
Vipers are certainly underused but I wouldn't say they are not strong.
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On July 27 2013 04:22 Dzerzhinsky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:15 Greendotz wrote:On July 27 2013 04:03 Dzerzhinsky wrote:
Select not looking forward to the Viper buff. Is this a joke or is there seriously a proposed viper buff? David Kim's latest interview: "But currently, Viper is not strong, we are planning to make some changes to it." Thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422804
Well that's bogus. I know it is pretty good against mech Terrans.
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HuK's been a bad buy, he's taking a time out
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United States23455 Posts
On July 27 2013 04:23 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:20 DamageControL wrote:On July 27 2013 04:16 fastr wrote:
SeleCT dit not play badly, TLO just played an amazing series. I also think the 3-0 is due to the fact that SeleCT did not look prepared against TLO's style, for instance in game 3 I think he should've switch to tank way earlier, and play super defensive. TLO's drop defense was also top notch. TLO is definitely in the top10 foreigner list, maybe even top 5. Give 1 or 2 more month to SeleCT and he might join him, he showed glimpses of really great play these last few weeks. Who do people feel are top10 right now? (Not in order) TLO, Snute, Stephano, NaNiwa, SaSe, LucifroN, and beyond that group it gets really muddy.
Pretty much agreed. Might throw Happy or Vortix in that list but those are the top foreigners at the moment.
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On July 27 2013 04:23 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:20 DamageControL wrote:On July 27 2013 04:16 fastr wrote:
SeleCT dit not play badly, TLO just played an amazing series. I also think the 3-0 is due to the fact that SeleCT did not look prepared against TLO's style, for instance in game 3 I think he should've switch to tank way earlier, and play super defensive. TLO's drop defense was also top notch. TLO is definitely in the top10 foreigner list, maybe even top 5. Give 1 or 2 more month to SeleCT and he might join him, he showed glimpses of really great play these last few weeks. Who do people feel are top10 right now? (Not in order) TLO, Snute, Stephano, NaNiwa, SaSe, LucifroN, and beyond that group it gets really muddy.
Scarlett should be there.
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On July 27 2013 04:23 krutopatkin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:20 DamageControL wrote:On July 27 2013 04:16 fastr wrote:
SeleCT dit not play badly, TLO just played an amazing series. I also think the 3-0 is due to the fact that SeleCT did not look prepared against TLO's style, for instance in game 3 I think he should've switch to tank way earlier, and play super defensive. TLO's drop defense was also top notch. TLO is definitely in the top10 foreigner list, maybe even top 5. Give 1 or 2 more month to SeleCT and he might join him, he showed glimpses of really great play these last few weeks. Who do people feel are top10 right now? Aligulac top10 foreigners does a pretty good job
It hugely inflates luci tho
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United States23455 Posts
On July 27 2013 04:24 MrMotionPicture wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:23 tree.hugger wrote:On July 27 2013 04:20 DamageControL wrote:On July 27 2013 04:16 fastr wrote:
SeleCT dit not play badly, TLO just played an amazing series. I also think the 3-0 is due to the fact that SeleCT did not look prepared against TLO's style, for instance in game 3 I think he should've switch to tank way earlier, and play super defensive. TLO's drop defense was also top notch. TLO is definitely in the top10 foreigner list, maybe even top 5. Give 1 or 2 more month to SeleCT and he might join him, he showed glimpses of really great play these last few weeks. Who do people feel are top10 right now? (Not in order) TLO, Snute, Stephano, NaNiwa, SaSe, LucifroN, and beyond that group it gets really muddy. Scarlett should be there.
Fair point. Even with her wrists in bad condition she is playing really well. Just barely lost 3-2 to Life in RSL today.
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On July 27 2013 04:24 MrMotionPicture wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:23 tree.hugger wrote:On July 27 2013 04:20 DamageControL wrote:On July 27 2013 04:16 fastr wrote:
SeleCT dit not play badly, TLO just played an amazing series. I also think the 3-0 is due to the fact that SeleCT did not look prepared against TLO's style, for instance in game 3 I think he should've switch to tank way earlier, and play super defensive. TLO's drop defense was also top notch. TLO is definitely in the top10 foreigner list, maybe even top 5. Give 1 or 2 more month to SeleCT and he might join him, he showed glimpses of really great play these last few weeks. Who do people feel are top10 right now? (Not in order) TLO, Snute, Stephano, NaNiwa, SaSe, LucifroN, and beyond that group it gets really muddy. Scarlett should be there.
I'm not as abreast with foreigners as I used to, but perhaps add Goswser as well. There's probably a few from EU I'm forgetting.
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On July 27 2013 04:20 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:16 fastr wrote:
SeleCT dit not play badly, TLO just played an amazing series. I also think the 3-0 is due to the fact that SeleCT did not look prepared against TLO's style, for instance in game 3 I think he should've switch to tank way earlier, and play super defensive. TLO's drop defense was also top notch. TLO is definitely in the top10 foreigner list, maybe even top 5. Give 1 or 2 more month to SeleCT and he might join him, he showed glimpses of really great play these last few weeks. Who do people feel are top10 right now?
Off the top of my head I'd say Lucifron, Snute, Scarlett and TLO are pretty undesputed. If there was a power rank I'm certain DeMuslim, Mana and Dimaga would be in there as well (those are usually the names that start debates/arguments). Despite being very inconsistend Naniwa and Stephano would probably make it too. Up and comers include Dayshi, Tefel, Uzer and Pig.
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On July 27 2013 04:24 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:23 krutopatkin wrote:On July 27 2013 04:20 DamageControL wrote:On July 27 2013 04:16 fastr wrote:
SeleCT dit not play badly, TLO just played an amazing series. I also think the 3-0 is due to the fact that SeleCT did not look prepared against TLO's style, for instance in game 3 I think he should've switch to tank way earlier, and play super defensive. TLO's drop defense was also top notch. TLO is definitely in the top10 foreigner list, maybe even top 5. Give 1 or 2 more month to SeleCT and he might join him, he showed glimpses of really great play these last few weeks. Who do people feel are top10 right now? Aligulac top10 foreigners does a pretty good job It hugely inflates luci tho
If LucifroN isn't in someone's top ten foreigner list, then that probably immediately disqualifies him from making a list.
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United States23455 Posts
On July 27 2013 04:26 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:24 MrMotionPicture wrote:On July 27 2013 04:23 tree.hugger wrote:On July 27 2013 04:20 DamageControL wrote:On July 27 2013 04:16 fastr wrote:
SeleCT dit not play badly, TLO just played an amazing series. I also think the 3-0 is due to the fact that SeleCT did not look prepared against TLO's style, for instance in game 3 I think he should've switch to tank way earlier, and play super defensive. TLO's drop defense was also top notch. TLO is definitely in the top10 foreigner list, maybe even top 5. Give 1 or 2 more month to SeleCT and he might join him, he showed glimpses of really great play these last few weeks. Who do people feel are top10 right now? (Not in order) TLO, Snute, Stephano, NaNiwa, SaSe, LucifroN, and beyond that group it gets really muddy. Scarlett should be there. I'm not as abreast with foreigners as I used to, but perhaps add Goswser as well. There's probably a few from EU I'm forgetting.
Current tournament structure makes it hard to determine lol. There are no "foreigner" tournaments so generally foreigners get eliminated by Koreans before we can determine which foreigners are the best 
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On July 27 2013 04:23 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:20 DamageControL wrote:On July 27 2013 04:16 fastr wrote:
SeleCT dit not play badly, TLO just played an amazing series. I also think the 3-0 is due to the fact that SeleCT did not look prepared against TLO's style, for instance in game 3 I think he should've switch to tank way earlier, and play super defensive. TLO's drop defense was also top notch. TLO is definitely in the top10 foreigner list, maybe even top 5. Give 1 or 2 more month to SeleCT and he might join him, he showed glimpses of really great play these last few weeks. Who do people feel are top10 right now? (Not in order) TLO, Snute, Stephano, NaNiwa, SaSe, LucifroN, and beyond that group it gets really muddy.
Do Chinese players count as foreigners?
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On July 27 2013 04:29 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:23 tree.hugger wrote:On July 27 2013 04:20 DamageControL wrote:On July 27 2013 04:16 fastr wrote:
SeleCT dit not play badly, TLO just played an amazing series. I also think the 3-0 is due to the fact that SeleCT did not look prepared against TLO's style, for instance in game 3 I think he should've switch to tank way earlier, and play super defensive. TLO's drop defense was also top notch. TLO is definitely in the top10 foreigner list, maybe even top 5. Give 1 or 2 more month to SeleCT and he might join him, he showed glimpses of really great play these last few weeks. Who do people feel are top10 right now? (Not in order) TLO, Snute, Stephano, NaNiwa, SaSe, LucifroN, and beyond that group it gets really muddy. Do Chinese players count as foreigners?
Well, are Chinese players Korean?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On July 27 2013 04:29 krutopatkin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:29 stuchiu wrote:On July 27 2013 04:23 tree.hugger wrote:On July 27 2013 04:20 DamageControL wrote:On July 27 2013 04:16 fastr wrote:
SeleCT dit not play badly, TLO just played an amazing series. I also think the 3-0 is due to the fact that SeleCT did not look prepared against TLO's style, for instance in game 3 I think he should've switch to tank way earlier, and play super defensive. TLO's drop defense was also top notch. TLO is definitely in the top10 foreigner list, maybe even top 5. Give 1 or 2 more month to SeleCT and he might join him, he showed glimpses of really great play these last few weeks. Who do people feel are top10 right now? (Not in order) TLO, Snute, Stephano, NaNiwa, SaSe, LucifroN, and beyond that group it gets really muddy. Do Chinese players count as foreigners? Well, are Chinese players Korean?
Nope, but no one ever mentions Jim or Sen when talking about top foreigners, so I wasn't sure.
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I think Stephano, Naniwa, Scarlett, TLO and Snute is the undisputed top5 (in no particular order. After these 5, I'd add Lucifron, Mana, Dimaga. Then i'm really not sure, Demuslim, Happy, Vortix, dayshi comes into mind but it's unclear.
edit: and if we count chinese players, Jim is definitely up there
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Stream went black and after that nothing but lagg 
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United States97277 Posts
On July 27 2013 04:30 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:29 krutopatkin wrote:On July 27 2013 04:29 stuchiu wrote:On July 27 2013 04:23 tree.hugger wrote:On July 27 2013 04:20 DamageControL wrote:On July 27 2013 04:16 fastr wrote:
SeleCT dit not play badly, TLO just played an amazing series. I also think the 3-0 is due to the fact that SeleCT did not look prepared against TLO's style, for instance in game 3 I think he should've switch to tank way earlier, and play super defensive. TLO's drop defense was also top notch. TLO is definitely in the top10 foreigner list, maybe even top 5. Give 1 or 2 more month to SeleCT and he might join him, he showed glimpses of really great play these last few weeks. Who do people feel are top10 right now? (Not in order) TLO, Snute, Stephano, NaNiwa, SaSe, LucifroN, and beyond that group it gets really muddy. Do Chinese players count as foreigners? Well, are Chinese players Korean? Nope, but no one ever mentions Jim or Sen when talking about top foreigners, so I wasn't sure.
Pretty hard to rate them. Sen didnt look to hot in WCS AM recently although he took San to 5 games in TeSL which appears to be better than a lot of foreigners would be able to do atm. Jim could have a case but both of them rarely play anyone from Europe so it's pretty hard to say. MacSed may have a case as a fringe top foreigner. Probably the only ones from the Chinese/Taiwanese scene I would consider.
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On July 27 2013 04:30 fastr wrote:
I think Stephano, Naniwa, Scarlett, TLO and Snute is the undisputed top5 (in no particular order. After these 5, I'd add Lucifron, Mana, Dimaga. Then i'm really not sure, Demuslim, Happy, Vortix, dayshi comes into mind but it's unclear.
edit: and if we count chinese players, Jim is definitely up there
How is Scarlett "undisputed" in front of Luci? They both have about the same results. (well Luci has better actually, including him beating Scarlett 3:0 at this ipl dice thingy)
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On July 27 2013 04:30 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:29 krutopatkin wrote:On July 27 2013 04:29 stuchiu wrote:On July 27 2013 04:23 tree.hugger wrote:On July 27 2013 04:20 DamageControL wrote:On July 27 2013 04:16 fastr wrote:
SeleCT dit not play badly, TLO just played an amazing series. I also think the 3-0 is due to the fact that SeleCT did not look prepared against TLO's style, for instance in game 3 I think he should've switch to tank way earlier, and play super defensive. TLO's drop defense was also top notch. TLO is definitely in the top10 foreigner list, maybe even top 5. Give 1 or 2 more month to SeleCT and he might join him, he showed glimpses of really great play these last few weeks. Who do people feel are top10 right now? (Not in order) TLO, Snute, Stephano, NaNiwa, SaSe, LucifroN, and beyond that group it gets really muddy. Do Chinese players count as foreigners? Well, are Chinese players Korean? Nope, but no one ever mentions Jim or Sen when talking about top foreigners, so I wasn't sure.
To be fair Sen would really struggle to make anyone's top ten anymore. Jim, yeah that's a fair shout, but it's easy to forget about the Chinese. Also aside from the rare 1 hour stream, the (admitadly easy) WCS group he obliterated and buzzwords like "#1 KrGM" people still know very little about him.
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