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Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1964 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 06:09:14
July 14 2013 06:08 GMT
#761
On July 14 2013 15:02 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:45 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:43 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:41 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:40 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:34 xsnac wrote:
man i CANT STAND ANYMORE THOSE CASTERS !! fuck i got tired of soo much miscall " best will defend here and best attacked wtf is 2 best players "

I literally have no idea what you're even trying to say, and therefore reject this criticism out of hand.

I like both casters.

I tried but SNM and Whiplash just don't have that much value-add as commentators. Almost always play-by-play

That's not a huge deal though, and they do analyze stuff.

Afaik they are both masters on KR server, so better than 90% of their detractors.


Being masters on the KR server doesn't imply that you'll be a good caster, and I really don't want to explain why the "well let's see you do better" argument is flawed for the 100th time.

Every caster makes miscalls. And I hate it when people who definitely wouldn't have made the right call (as evidenced by their lack of skill in the game) use 20/20 hindsight to rag on casters for making miscalls. It's not "let's see you do better" it's "it's easy to say that now that it happened."

Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:45 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Also, SNM can translate and is very knowledgeable about the scene. That puts him above most other (all) casters in that respect.


Show nested quote +
[B]The most important part about being a caster is, y'know, being good at casting - clearly articulating yourself and the complexities of the game in an enjoyable way. Being able to translate has nothing to do with being a caster. Knowledge of the scene helps, but it should be a supplementary strength that merely supports great casting ability.

They clearly articulate themselves and they can articulate the complexities of the game in an enjoyable way, imo. And no, having a knowledge of the scene and being able to translate ARE qualities that are useful to a caster.

People just like to hate on Whiplash and SNM for making mistakes. Even other casters make just as many, no one says anything. It actually gets really annoying (the hating on Whiplash and SNM) and I'm sure it's even more annoying for them.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
July 14 2013 06:08 GMT
#762
Rain about to fail his team ultimately. ;/
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
July 14 2013 06:08 GMT
#763
GO GO RAIN!!


If Innovation wins this then the series is over and STX advances correct?
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
July 14 2013 06:09 GMT
#764
On July 14 2013 15:08 figq wrote:
Rain about to fail his team ultimately. ;/


I wouldn't lose faith in the ace. SKT know what they're doing.
kiss kiss fall in love
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
July 14 2013 06:09 GMT
#765
Gogo Rain so we get another day of games!
dvorakftw
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
681 Posts
July 14 2013 06:09 GMT
#766
On July 14 2013 15:00 Clawfinger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:59 nimbim wrote:
Surely Fantasy had good results with this in practice. It didn't really look like he screwed up, just perfect defense from Classic.


Seriously man. That was such well executed defense. The probes were pulled at the exact time that they needed to be pulled at. I love SC2!

Oh please. Nexus cannon makes that so easy an NA Masters player could do that.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
July 14 2013 06:09 GMT
#767
On July 14 2013 15:08 Havik_ wrote:
GO GO RAIN!!


If Innovation wins this then the series is over and STX advances correct?

Yes.
kiss kiss fall in love
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
July 14 2013 06:09 GMT
#768
On July 14 2013 15:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 15:06 Alabasern wrote:
On July 14 2013 15:02 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:45 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:43 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:41 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:40 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:34 xsnac wrote:
man i CANT STAND ANYMORE THOSE CASTERS !! fuck i got tired of soo much miscall " best will defend here and best attacked wtf is 2 best players "

I literally have no idea what you're even trying to say, and therefore reject this criticism out of hand.

I like both casters.

I tried but SNM and Whiplash just don't have that much value-add as commentators. Almost always play-by-play

That's not a huge deal though, and they do analyze stuff.

Afaik they are both masters on KR server, so better than 90% of their detractors.


Being masters on the KR server doesn't imply that you'll be a good caster, and I really don't want to explain why the "well let's see you do better" argument is flawed for the 100th time.

Every caster makes miscalls. And I hate it when people who definitely wouldn't have made the right call (as evidenced by their lack of skill in the game) use 20/20 hindsight to rag on casters for making miscalls. It's not "let's see you do better" it's "it's easy to say that now that it happened."

On July 14 2013 14:45 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Also, SNM can translate and is very knowledgeable about the scene. That puts him above most other (all) casters in that respect.


The most important part about being a caster is, y'know, being good at casting - clearly articulating yourself and the complexities of the game in an enjoyable way. Being able to translate has nothing to do with being a caster. Knowledge of the scene helps, but it should be a supplementary strength that merely supports great casting ability.

They clearly articulate themselves and they can articulate the complexities of the game in an enjoyable way, imo. And no, having a knowledge of the scene and being able to translate ARE qualities that are useful to a caster.


Show nested quote +
I think what he means is all the knowledge available to you doesn't help if you cannot speak/think clearly or harmonize well with your co-caster.

My point is that they do speak/think clearly and harmonize well...


Your use of quotes is confusing me.
Support your esport!
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
July 14 2013 06:09 GMT
#769
Please don't let me down Rain
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
July 14 2013 06:09 GMT
#770
On July 14 2013 15:08 Havik_ wrote:
GO GO RAIN!!


If Innovation wins this then the series is over and STX advances correct?

right. Huge pressure on Rain.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
July 14 2013 06:09 GMT
#771
poor Rain... hope he wins
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 06:11:11
July 14 2013 06:09 GMT
#772
On July 14 2013 15:08 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 15:02 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:45 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:43 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:41 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:40 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:34 xsnac wrote:
man i CANT STAND ANYMORE THOSE CASTERS !! fuck i got tired of soo much miscall " best will defend here and best attacked wtf is 2 best players "

I literally have no idea what you're even trying to say, and therefore reject this criticism out of hand.

I like both casters.

I tried but SNM and Whiplash just don't have that much value-add as commentators. Almost always play-by-play

That's not a huge deal though, and they do analyze stuff.

Afaik they are both masters on KR server, so better than 90% of their detractors.


Being masters on the KR server doesn't imply that you'll be a good caster, and I really don't want to explain why the "well let's see you do better" argument is flawed for the 100th time.

Every caster makes miscalls. And I hate it when people who definitely wouldn't have made the right call (as evidenced by their lack of skill in the game) use 20/20 hindsight to rag on casters for making miscalls. It's not "let's see you do better" it's "it's easy to say that now that it happened."

Also, SNM can translate and is very knowledgeable about the scene. That puts him above most other (all) casters in that respect.

The most important part about being a caster is, y'know, being good at casting - clearly articulating yourself and the complexities of the game in an enjoyable way. Being able to translate has nothing to do with being a caster. Knowledge of the scene helps, but it should be a supplementary strength that merely supports great casting ability.

People just like to hate on Whiplash and SNM for making mistakes. Even other casters make just as many, no one says anything. It actually gets really annoying (the hating on Whiplash and SNM) and I'm sure it's even more annoying for them.

Just no, they're definitely second tier as casters go.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
jekku
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1640 Posts
July 14 2013 06:10 GMT
#773
11-1 vs terran good call with rain. Come on rain become the team ace!
In the rear with the gear!
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
July 14 2013 06:10 GMT
#774
In-no In-no In-no In-no! Hwaiting!
Support your esport!
Housemd
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1407 Posts
July 14 2013 06:10 GMT
#775
Common Rain!
Fantasy is a beast
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 06:10:26
July 14 2013 06:10 GMT
#776
On July 14 2013 15:06 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 15:03 aZealot wrote:
Why would Fantasy cheese, anyway? Why would Boxer tell him to do that, as I imagine he did?

Fantasy should beat Classic pretty handily in a standard game, no? I don't get the reasoning behind it.

That cheese was perfectly designed. Fantasy seriously botched that


Oh, yeah. I get that. Classic got a second gate down asap, used his probes well, and kept his MS alive. Fantasy botched it.

But, I just don't really get the necessity for that tactic when your player is superior to his opponent.
KT best KT ~ 2014
prabhbhambra13
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom424 Posts
July 14 2013 06:10 GMT
#777
Hopefully Rain's 11-1 PvT record holds up.
SECO SECO SECO
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
July 14 2013 06:10 GMT
#778
On July 14 2013 15:10 jekku wrote:
11-1 vs terran good call with rain. Come on rain become the team ace!

I feel as if SKT's deep enough that they don't need ONE ace player. It's not like Oz or KT with one man in the name of love.
kiss kiss fall in love
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
July 14 2013 06:11 GMT
#779
Come on Rain, you can do this! His PvT can still be amazing.
www.gosu-sc.com - Starcraft News, Strategy and Merchandise
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
July 14 2013 06:11 GMT
#780
On July 14 2013 15:09 Alabasern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 15:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 14 2013 15:06 Alabasern wrote:
On July 14 2013 15:02 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:45 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:43 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:41 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:40 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 14 2013 14:34 xsnac wrote:
man i CANT STAND ANYMORE THOSE CASTERS !! fuck i got tired of soo much miscall " best will defend here and best attacked wtf is 2 best players "

I literally have no idea what you're even trying to say, and therefore reject this criticism out of hand.

I like both casters.

I tried but SNM and Whiplash just don't have that much value-add as commentators. Almost always play-by-play

That's not a huge deal though, and they do analyze stuff.

Afaik they are both masters on KR server, so better than 90% of their detractors.


Being masters on the KR server doesn't imply that you'll be a good caster, and I really don't want to explain why the "well let's see you do better" argument is flawed for the 100th time.

Every caster makes miscalls. And I hate it when people who definitely wouldn't have made the right call (as evidenced by their lack of skill in the game) use 20/20 hindsight to rag on casters for making miscalls. It's not "let's see you do better" it's "it's easy to say that now that it happened."

On July 14 2013 14:45 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Also, SNM can translate and is very knowledgeable about the scene. That puts him above most other (all) casters in that respect.


The most important part about being a caster is, y'know, being good at casting - clearly articulating yourself and the complexities of the game in an enjoyable way. Being able to translate has nothing to do with being a caster. Knowledge of the scene helps, but it should be a supplementary strength that merely supports great casting ability.

They clearly articulate themselves and they can articulate the complexities of the game in an enjoyable way, imo. And no, having a knowledge of the scene and being able to translate ARE qualities that are useful to a caster.


I think what he means is all the knowledge available to you doesn't help if you cannot speak/think clearly or harmonize well with your co-caster.

My point is that they do speak/think clearly and harmonize well...


Your use of quotes is confusing me.

I don't know why you did that weird spoiler but that's what fucked it up... lol
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