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United States97277 Posts
On July 11 2013 20:12 goody153 wrote:
life is out, flash is out, jangbi is out
so whos left innovation,soulkey,parting?
not saying that bomber did not deserve that win .. he won convincingly but i dont have any player to follow .. i dont find osl in finals interesting anymore
Parting is out
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Just to clarify, Flash played like shit in both matches and playing like that deserves to lose. Props to Bomber and Innovation... but that doesn't make me like them or interested in them as players.
Flash's TvT is really weird now. He looks completely lost.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On July 11 2013 20:12 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 20:10 VmY wrote:On July 11 2013 20:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:
SKT this week in WCS KR
soO loses to Soulkey
Rain loses to First
Parting loses to Symbol
s2 loses to EffOrt
ParalyzE loses to Dream
Mamuri loses to MarineKing
Journey loses to Flying
Am I missing anything? Woa, be nice  #behave shellshock
Shellbot is on fuck SKT mode.
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On July 11 2013 20:08 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 20:04 DustbinBieber wrote:On July 11 2013 20:00 Qwerty85 wrote:On July 11 2013 19:59 DustbinBieber wrote:On July 11 2013 19:57 29 fps wrote:
why do English casters keep saying some people are "supposed" to lose?? it's starting to become annoying because it's true. I think he is talking about the situation when you have Bomber vs. Flash and people say Bomber is supposed to lose because Flash is allegedly a superior player.. Flash is a superior player and Bomber was supposed to lose. He won with two weird-ass tactics because of his straight-up inferiority. That's SC2 for you. You are dumb, people underrated Bomber, this isn't nearly as big of an upset as people think... If you looked at Bomber vs BByong and then Bbyong vs Innovation you could clearly see Bomber's TvT is on the same level as those guys. Also, it's a strategy game. If you completely out strategize your opponent, how does that not make you superior to them? Bomber gameplan >>>>>>> Flash gameplan.
Because maybe there's more matchups in the game than just tvt? For every game that Bomber takes off Flash, there's a game where he loses to goswser by refusing to split his bio against banes. Bomber played better today and maybe his tvt is comparable to flash, but if you take into account all the matchups, he's not the better player as many people in this thread are implying.
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On July 11 2013 20:12 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 20:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:
SKT has had an extremely shitty week in WCS KR. Hopefully Fantasy can turn it around What do you mean by shitty week? Their only four players in Challenger League Ro48 lost and fell out of WCS, but so what? D:
On July 11 2013 20:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:
SKT this week in WCS KR
soO loses to Soulkey
Rain loses to First
Parting loses to Symbol
s2 loses to EffOrt
ParalyzE loses to Dream
Mamuri loses to MarineKing
Journey loses to Flying
Am I missing anything?
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On July 11 2013 20:12 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Just to clarify, Flash played like shit in both matches and playing like that deserves to lose. Props to Bomber and Innovation... but that doesn't make me like them or interested in them as players.
Flash's TvT is really weird now. He looks completely lost.
Everyone is pretty much lost in TvT right now tho. And it won't get any better with the patch.
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On July 11 2013 20:12 Laryleprakon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 20:12 goody153 wrote:
life is out, flash is out, jangbi is out
so whos left innovation,soulkey,parting?
not saying that bomber did not deserve that win .. he won convincingly but i dont have any player to follow First will win it all!
that would be interesting .. or maru for the win :D
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United States97277 Posts
On July 11 2013 20:13 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 20:12 Undead1993 wrote:On July 11 2013 20:10 VmY wrote:On July 11 2013 20:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:
SKT this week in WCS KR
soO loses to Soulkey
Rain loses to First
Parting loses to Symbol
s2 loses to EffOrt
ParalyzE loses to Dream
Mamuri loses to MarineKing
Journey loses to Flying
Am I missing anything? Woa, be nice #behave shellshock Shellbot is on fuck SKT mode.
I want Fantasy to win though. hyvaa killed Leenock :/
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I'm disappointed about Flash too guys, but the fact is that Flash threw away a large portion of his army right before Bomber's attack and he was not prepared in time for the composition that Bomber had.
Imagine Flash had his BFH and some Widow Mines when that attack hit...it would have been a massacre
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On July 11 2013 20:12 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 20:11 YyapSsap wrote:
You can't really do anything about the coin flippy nature of SC2 due to the overwhelming reliance on "composition" as there are far too many specialist/counter units. That push only worked because of the 2 banshees and no AA after the initial engagement (this also adds to the coin flippyness due to how air units in SC2 play a far larger role starting from the early game compared to BW).
For all you Flash fans, theres always next season! It's not randomness when Flash didn't scout well enough to realize what was going on.
Thats thing thing. Scouting is 200% more important than it was in BW because if you dont get a specific composition you lose out. In SC2, your just going to flat out die/punished severly most of the time if you have the wrong units.
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Belgica34432 Posts
hehe silly Choya, get out of that boot
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On July 11 2013 20:14 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 20:13 Fusilero wrote:On July 11 2013 20:12 Undead1993 wrote:On July 11 2013 20:10 VmY wrote:On July 11 2013 20:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:
SKT this week in WCS KR
soO loses to Soulkey
Rain loses to First
Parting loses to Symbol
s2 loses to EffOrt
ParalyzE loses to Dream
Mamuri loses to MarineKing
Journey loses to Flying
Am I missing anything? Woa, be nice #behave shellshock Shellbot is on fuck SKT mode. I want Fantasy to win though. hyvaa killed Leenock :/
Good, embrace the amazingness that is Fantasy <3
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On July 11 2013 20:12 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Flash's TvT is really weird now. He looks completely lost.
I'm sure he'll be ok once it becomes more stable
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On July 11 2013 20:11 YyapSsap wrote:
You can't really do anything about the coin flippy nature of SC2 due to the overwhelming reliance on "composition" as there are far too many specialist/counter units. That push only worked because of the 2 banshees and no AA after the initial engagement (this also adds to the coin flippyness due to how air units in SC2 play a far larger role starting from the early game compared to BW).
For all you Flash fans, theres always next season!
Well, randomness can be blamed when its like proxy marauders vs proxy 11/11 (Flash vs Innovation). Both pick a strat blindly and one beats the other. As long as these games were though its pretty much always is:
A) Lack of scouting, or
B) Lack of adaption to what you scouted.
Take your pick.
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On July 11 2013 20:11 YyapSsap wrote:
You can't really do anything about the coin flippy nature of SC2 due to the overwhelming reliance on "composition" as there are far too many specialist/counter units. That push only worked because of the 2 banshees and no AA after the initial engagement (this also adds to the coin flippyness due to how air units in SC2 play a far larger role starting from the early game compared to BW).
For all you Flash fans, theres always next season!
That 'coinflipping' was a strategic decision made by Bomber to win the game. Flash didn't scout/prepare adequately for Bomber's deliberate strategy and he lost. I know it's cool to rag on SC2 for being inferior to BW but dismissing Bomber's victory as a coinflip is ignorant.
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On July 11 2013 20:12 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 20:12 goody153 wrote:
life is out, flash is out, jangbi is out
so whos left innovation,soulkey,parting?
not saying that bomber did not deserve that win .. he won convincingly but i dont have any player to follow .. i dont find osl in finals interesting anymore Parting is out
aw
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On July 11 2013 20:14 YyapSsap wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 20:12 NovemberstOrm wrote:On July 11 2013 20:11 YyapSsap wrote:
You can't really do anything about the coin flippy nature of SC2 due to the overwhelming reliance on "composition" as there are far too many specialist/counter units. That push only worked because of the 2 banshees and no AA after the initial engagement (this also adds to the coin flippyness due to how air units in SC2 play a far larger role starting from the early game compared to BW).
For all you Flash fans, theres always next season! It's not randomness when Flash didn't scout well enough to realize what was going on. Thats thing thing. Scouting is 200% more important than it was in BW because if you dont get a specific composition you lose out. In SC2, your just going to flat out die/punished severly most of the time if you have the wrong units.
But isn't that a good thing ?
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On July 11 2013 20:13 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 20:08 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 11 2013 20:04 DustbinBieber wrote:On July 11 2013 20:00 Qwerty85 wrote:On July 11 2013 19:59 DustbinBieber wrote:On July 11 2013 19:57 29 fps wrote:
why do English casters keep saying some people are "supposed" to lose?? it's starting to become annoying because it's true. I think he is talking about the situation when you have Bomber vs. Flash and people say Bomber is supposed to lose because Flash is allegedly a superior player.. Flash is a superior player and Bomber was supposed to lose. He won with two weird-ass tactics because of his straight-up inferiority. That's SC2 for you. You are dumb, people underrated Bomber, this isn't nearly as big of an upset as people think... If you looked at Bomber vs BByong and then Bbyong vs Innovation you could clearly see Bomber's TvT is on the same level as those guys. Also, it's a strategy game. If you completely out strategize your opponent, how does that not make you superior to them? Bomber gameplan >>>>>>> Flash gameplan. Because maybe there's more matchups in the game than just tvt? For every game that Bomber takes off Flash, there's a game where he loses to goswser by refusing to split his bio against banes. Bomber played better today and maybe his tvt is comparable to flash, but if you take into account all the matchups, he's not the better player as many people in this thread are implying.
is it really necessarily then to accuse or imply that Bomber didn't deserve the win? it may be obnoxious how quickly fanboys and bandwagoners quickly jump the gun and start making wide statements, but it's absolutely despicable to berate someone for outperforming another player.
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On July 11 2013 20:13 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 20:08 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 11 2013 20:04 DustbinBieber wrote:On July 11 2013 20:00 Qwerty85 wrote:On July 11 2013 19:59 DustbinBieber wrote:On July 11 2013 19:57 29 fps wrote:
why do English casters keep saying some people are "supposed" to lose?? it's starting to become annoying because it's true. I think he is talking about the situation when you have Bomber vs. Flash and people say Bomber is supposed to lose because Flash is allegedly a superior player.. Flash is a superior player and Bomber was supposed to lose. He won with two weird-ass tactics because of his straight-up inferiority. That's SC2 for you. You are dumb, people underrated Bomber, this isn't nearly as big of an upset as people think... If you looked at Bomber vs BByong and then Bbyong vs Innovation you could clearly see Bomber's TvT is on the same level as those guys. Also, it's a strategy game. If you completely out strategize your opponent, how does that not make you superior to them? Bomber gameplan >>>>>>> Flash gameplan. Because maybe there's more matchups in the game than just tvt? For every game that Bomber takes off Flash, there's a game where he loses to goswser by refusing to split his bio against banes. Bomber played better today and maybe his tvt is comparable to flash, but if you take into account all the matchups, he's not the better player as many people in this thread are implying.
Actually, only hardcore Flashboys are implying anything. But what actually happened in this series is that Bomber played better and he was better than Flash. Some people just cant accept that.
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