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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
July 10 2013 12:40 GMT
#101
On July 10 2013 21:39 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 21:38 HugzForL wrote:
TheDwf, seeing you here, i think Flash played like MUCH better than Puzzle in that game, what do you think?

Flash's micro in the last engagement was pretty poor, he also lost quite a few vikings to stalker pick offs.

He lacked 30 needed supply in his army anyway with the drops ongoing. Losing Vikings here and there to Stakers is virtually unavoidable since they have free shots with Blink.
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
July 10 2013 12:40 GMT
#102
On July 10 2013 21:39 NovemberstOrm wrote:
also apparently KT Rolster doesn't want nathanias to stream the rest of the series o_O so we only get 1 game.


lol what?
Amove for Aiur
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 10 2013 12:41 GMT
#103
On July 10 2013 21:39 NovemberstOrm wrote:
also apparently KT Rolster doesn't want nathanias to stream the rest of the series o_O so we only get 1 game.

Pitchfork time, let's go burn the KT house.
Glorious SEA doto
Rhaegal
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States678 Posts
July 10 2013 12:41 GMT
#104
what did Flash do wrong? It looked like he was playing perfectly for the entire game, then I glance away for one second and look back and it's 170 supply vs 90...
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 12:42:56
July 10 2013 12:42 GMT
#105
Gotta get Flash to more foreign events so he can be at Blizzcon. Let's rather not stream how we accomplish that.
SoulCapsule
Profile Joined November 2012
France806 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 12:42:59
July 10 2013 12:42 GMT
#106
On July 10 2013 21:41 Rhaegal wrote:
what did Flash do wrong? It looked like he was playing perfectly for the entire game, then I glance away for one second and look back and it's 170 supply vs 90...


That is the story of my TvP, and if Flash ends up the same as me, no wonder im like 40% win in tvp...
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
July 10 2013 12:42 GMT
#107
On July 10 2013 21:39 NovemberstOrm wrote:
also apparently KT Rolster doesn't want nathanias to stream the rest of the series o_O so we only get 1 game.

time for Puzzle to let Flash win (j/k)
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ntssauce
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany750 Posts
July 10 2013 12:42 GMT
#108
On July 10 2013 21:40 HugzForL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 21:38 TheDwf wrote:
On July 10 2013 21:38 HugzForL wrote:
TheDwf, seeing you here, i think Flash played like MUCH better than Puzzle in that game, what do you think?

Should have probably just pulled SCVs to bash Puzzle pre-Storm.


I guess so, but i think Flash doesn't like gambling like this. I think he felt pretty damn confident entering late game. He had like what, 20 ghosts, 20 vikings, plenty of MMM and a bit of hellbat mixed in. I think he was in a perfect spot. Guess not


sorry to get into your talk, but i think the only thing flash could've done better ( since his dt defense and zealot runby defense was so good ) is to sacrifice his scvs and build more OCs, so that his army supply is even bigger. But that would be PERFECT play. I also think that flash played a lot better and did deserve the win.
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Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2956 Posts
July 10 2013 12:43 GMT
#109
On July 10 2013 21:41 Rhaegal wrote:
what did Flash do wrong? It looked like he was playing perfectly for the entire game, then I glance away for one second and look back and it's 170 supply vs 90...


The last Engagement was bad + he had 2 Drops going on. Happens quite fast if the Protoss takes a good fight at this time.
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
July 10 2013 12:43 GMT
#110
On July 10 2013 21:41 Rhaegal wrote:
what did Flash do wrong? It looked like he was playing perfectly for the entire game, then I glance away for one second and look back and it's 170 supply vs 90...


2 x 2 medivac unsuccessful drops. Bad engagement. He had to press advantage a bit earlier imo.
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
July 10 2013 12:43 GMT
#111
OMG KT what are you doing??????
Woo Jung Ho
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 12:44:18
July 10 2013 12:43 GMT
#112
On July 10 2013 21:41 Rhaegal wrote:
what did Flash do wrong? It looked like he was playing perfectly for the entire game, then I glance away for one second and look back and it's 170 supply vs 90...


as far as I could see absolutely nothing. He tried to drop "all over" and none of it was effective with photon overcharge and a couple of dts, then his main army got caught in a corner as he was heading to the fifth (bottom right). He probably felt pretty desperate to do some economical damage at that point...
Amove for Aiur
SoulCapsule
Profile Joined November 2012
France806 Posts
July 10 2013 12:44 GMT
#113
On July 10 2013 21:42 ntssauce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 21:40 HugzForL wrote:
On July 10 2013 21:38 TheDwf wrote:
On July 10 2013 21:38 HugzForL wrote:
TheDwf, seeing you here, i think Flash played like MUCH better than Puzzle in that game, what do you think?

Should have probably just pulled SCVs to bash Puzzle pre-Storm.


I guess so, but i think Flash doesn't like gambling like this. I think he felt pretty damn confident entering late game. He had like what, 20 ghosts, 20 vikings, plenty of MMM and a bit of hellbat mixed in. I think he was in a perfect spot. Guess not


sorry to get into your talk, but i think the only thing flash could've done better ( since his dt defense and zealot runby defense was so good ) is to sacrifice his scvs and build more OCs, so that his army supply is even bigger. But that would be PERFECT play. I also think that flash played a lot better and did deserve the win.


Thing is he never banked enough money to make a bunch of OCs. I didn't see his workers count but it wasn't too high i think.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
July 10 2013 12:45 GMT
#114
On July 10 2013 21:40 HugzForL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 21:38 TheDwf wrote:
On July 10 2013 21:38 HugzForL wrote:
TheDwf, seeing you here, i think Flash played like MUCH better than Puzzle in that game, what do you think?

Should have probably just pulled SCVs to bash Puzzle pre-Storm.


I guess so, but i think Flash doesn't like gambling like this. I think he felt pretty damn confident entering late game. He had like what, 20 ghosts, 20 vikings, plenty of MMM and a bit of hellbat mixed in. I think he was in a perfect spot. Guess not

Had he gathered his whole army together, he definitely had a chance, but he sent 20 supply in Puzzle's main and 10 at his fifth, so he had not enough bio along with his Ghosts at the last fight.

By midgame, he also needed to deny Observers, Puzzle just had maphack and thus could block his whole agression.

I don't think a SCV pull would have been a gamble, Flash was slightly ahead since his maneuvers had still succeeded in reasonably delaying Puzzle's third, and Puzzle forgot to start 2-0-2. But Flash's Armory was too late, his +2 attack was complete long after Storm.
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
July 10 2013 12:46 GMT
#115
On July 10 2013 21:41 Rhaegal wrote:
what did Flash do wrong? It looked like he was playing perfectly for the entire game, then I glance away for one second and look back and it's 170 supply vs 90...


the weather forecast said 100% of storm but Flash ignored the warning
Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 12:50:56
July 10 2013 12:46 GMT
#116
So... KT Rolster did not want Nathanias to cast Flash vs. Puzzle game 2 and the following games.
I guess thats an violation of ESL rules.


On the game:
Flash had so many possibilities to win, but did ignore every one of them. -.-
That was really painful to watch. Excellent mechanics like always from Flash, but *REALLY* bad decision making, like really miserable.

Most harasses did neither make sense nor do any damage.
Did not use upgrade advantage that he had.
Did not use vikings properly, no sniping of Colossi.
Did not expand enough.
Did not deny expanding of Puzzle.
Did not take good battles.

But instead waited until Puzzle had his perfect composition and position and... gg.
Like really bad from Flash. Disappointed.
And now he does not want 5k fans to see him play. Again disappointed from him (there was no lag).
CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
July 10 2013 12:46 GMT
#117
I liked the snipe on the Nexus in the completely mined out main.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
July 10 2013 12:47 GMT
#118
On July 10 2013 21:41 Rhaegal wrote:
what did Flash do wrong? It looked like he was playing perfectly for the entire game, then I glance away for one second and look back and it's 170 supply vs 90...

I feel the late Armory is the main culprit here, 10'30 Armory into +2 bio SCV Vikings all-in would have prevailed.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
July 10 2013 12:47 GMT
#119
On July 10 2013 21:46 Caladan wrote:
So... KT Rolster did not want Nathanias to cast Flash vs. Puzzle game 2 and the following games.
I guess thats an violation of ESL rules.


I guess KeSPa doesn't care and players of high profile got the benefit to ban a caster if they happen to have issues/lag with him in the game. I think its fine.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
SoulCapsule
Profile Joined November 2012
France806 Posts
July 10 2013 12:48 GMT
#120
On July 10 2013 21:45 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 21:40 HugzForL wrote:
On July 10 2013 21:38 TheDwf wrote:
On July 10 2013 21:38 HugzForL wrote:
TheDwf, seeing you here, i think Flash played like MUCH better than Puzzle in that game, what do you think?

Should have probably just pulled SCVs to bash Puzzle pre-Storm.


I guess so, but i think Flash doesn't like gambling like this. I think he felt pretty damn confident entering late game. He had like what, 20 ghosts, 20 vikings, plenty of MMM and a bit of hellbat mixed in. I think he was in a perfect spot. Guess not

Had he gathered his whole army together, he definitely had a chance, but he sent 20 supply in Puzzle's main and 10 at his fifth, so he had not enough bio along with his Ghosts at the last fight.

By midgame, he also needed to deny Observers, Puzzle just had maphack and thus could block his whole agression.

I don't think a SCV pull would have been a gamble, Flash was slightly ahead since his maneuvers had still succeeded in reasonably delaying Puzzle's third, and Puzzle forgot to start 2-0-2. But Flash's Armory was too late, his +2 attack was complete long after Storm.


You must be right... well i still think he played good and it ended up like it was a trash no-match. That's what i dont like in TvP.
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