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Wow I like TLO, Apollo, and Kalearis, but they WAAAAAYYYYY overhyped TLO this game..... MMA crushed so many of his expos, kept his macro up, and took nice engagements, only a few small engages were cost-inefficient for the Terran....
A couple ultras and a decent size muta flock alone just won't cut it, need enough support with ling/banes, or infestors to lock down the bio, so I really don't think TLO was "one good fight" away from taking it, he was struggling to just stay alive after MMA's nice drops.
Also, about their comments in the early game about how "revolutionary" it was for TLO to stick with mass muta/ling/bane over going hive and how MMA shouldn't push out against it....we saw plenty of this in WoL, even if the zerg doesn't get fast hive units, Terran STILL needs to keep pressure up or he'll get overwhelmed by zerg's economy (instead of getting overwhelmed by his tech if the zerg rushes hive - broods in WoL, ultras in HotS), so it was hardly a mistake for MMA to keep pushing and dropping instead of macro'ing up - in this very game we saw that he was able to break TLO's economy Lair play.
All this is imo, of course, not a pro or caster myself obv.
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On July 03 2013 01:00 Ph4ZeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 00:56 Dwayn wrote:
MMA is the weakest player in this group imo, would be surprised if he makes it out. Gonna go with TLO and mana. Agree, very surprised that TL has rated him as favourite to get out of this group. Other than the fact he's playing in Europe, he's a washed up player who won't win another championship.
Yea right...
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Kerence
Sweden1817 Posts
On July 03 2013 02:51 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 02:49 Fragile51 wrote:On July 03 2013 02:48 KristofferAG wrote:On July 03 2013 02:47 TheDwf wrote:On July 03 2013 00:56 Dwayn wrote:
MMA is the weakest player in this group imo, would be surprised if he makes it out. Gonna go with TLO and mana. On July 03 2013 01:00 Ph4ZeD wrote:
Agree, very surprised that TL has rated him as favourite to get out of this group. Other than the fact he's playing in Europe, he's a washed up player who won't win another championship. Hello? Posts like these are the worst posts in every single LR thread, please stop doing it, it's dumb. According to kag i should agree with him. Seriously though, stop. You weren't supposed to say I told you to do it 
Busted? I don't know though, I find posts like that kind of funny, there are worse things in LRs. I might just be easily amused.
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On July 03 2013 02:52 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 02:49 Elite_ wrote:On July 03 2013 02:47 -_- wrote:
Apollo:
Get Excited When Koreans are Playing Well.
It just bothers me when casters adopt this depressed, pained tone when a foreigner is getting beat down.
Pretty good job by Kaelaris, though. Your username is appropriate with this post. I agree, Apollo is letting his biased opinion of who he wants to win get the best of him. I agree that Apollo is rather biased at times, but I don't think there was much to get excited about for MMA vs TLO in the second game. Just one man's opinion though.
It was just a bad engagement. Hard to get excited about play when 1 player suicides his units into gg.
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I loved the "I would describe TLO with one word: composure" into gg 30 seconds later.
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United States33713 Posts
iono if MMA will win another championship but he's pretty good at TvZ D:
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I think this has little to do with foreigner/korean bias, Apollo and TLO are insanely good friends, and you have to be on a really insane level of professional casting to not let that affect you.
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On July 03 2013 02:53 ValM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 01:00 Ph4ZeD wrote:On July 03 2013 00:56 Dwayn wrote:
MMA is the weakest player in this group imo, would be surprised if he makes it out. Gonna go with TLO and mana. Agree, very surprised that TL has rated him as favourite to get out of this group. Other than the fact he's playing in Europe, he's a washed up player who won't win another championship. Yea right...
You can't expect people that have no clue about starcraft2, predict what is going to happen
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Ironically I think having so many bases hurt TLO. He was too stretched to defend them all. I also thought he could have attacked MMA's main base more with his big muta flock. MMA was pushing out aggressively with his army, TLO being more aggressive with his mutas could have forced MMA back a little. Also burrowing banelings in the middle of the map, would have forced MMA to do scans, which he could ill afford. As MMA's army was mainly marines, burrowed banelings would be something MMA could not afford to walk over.
Entertaining game though.
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United States1126 Posts
On July 03 2013 02:47 styLesdavis wrote:
Why take that fight TLO? MMA was still on three bases. He just needed to defend well....
As a zerg player, there's still this pressure. especially being so spread out with your expansions. But I suppose he could've and should've just macroed up the army. Still, he probably felt behind. He really had no idea if there might might be a ninja expand. Plus couldn't he just float a CC to another expand?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On July 03 2013 02:54 Waxangel wrote:
iono if MMA will win another championship but he's pretty good at TvZ D:
If MMA runs into MC, he is dead. So dead.
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On July 03 2013 02:50 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 02:46 BlackCompany wrote:
This is just bejond stupid. I have no words how fucking bad this was.
Limits him to 3 bases that are all soon mined out? YES, NO I BETTER FUCKING CHARGE ALL MY SHIT INTO A MINEFIELD SO MY MUTAS CAN GO 1on1 WITH THE MARINES
That plan is really brilliant Zergs aren't used to split up their armies, can't blame them.
Well TLO proved the opposite in the 2nd game vs Mana :p but yeah, there would be arround 100 ways to engage better..
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Norway25712 Posts
On July 03 2013 02:53 Kerence wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 02:51 KristofferAG wrote:On July 03 2013 02:49 Fragile51 wrote:On July 03 2013 02:48 KristofferAG wrote:On July 03 2013 02:47 TheDwf wrote:On July 03 2013 00:56 Dwayn wrote:
MMA is the weakest player in this group imo, would be surprised if he makes it out. Gonna go with TLO and mana. On July 03 2013 01:00 Ph4ZeD wrote:
Agree, very surprised that TL has rated him as favourite to get out of this group. Other than the fact he's playing in Europe, he's a washed up player who won't win another championship. Hello? Posts like these are the worst posts in every single LR thread, please stop doing it, it's dumb. According to kag i should agree with him. Seriously though, stop. You weren't supposed to say I told you to do it Busted? I don't know though, I find posts like that kind of funny, there are worse things in LRs. I might just be easily amused.
Nah, it barely ranks below pictures of scat porn. I hate smug people.
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12supply and still no gateway for Tails!
LOL proxy stargate nvm
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There's a reason you don't see extended muta ling bling play in the late-game anymore, once Terran gets 3/3 you need ultras+infestors
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United States33713 Posts
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The casters did seem to be saying some odd things at the end there. Was it just my imagination or did Kaelaris question whether MMA had enough anti-air to deal with the mutas when his army consisted of about 50 marines and a ton of widow mines...?
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On July 03 2013 02:50 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 02:46 BlackCompany wrote:
This is just bejond stupid. I have no words how fucking bad this was.
Limits him to 3 bases that are all soon mined out? YES, NO I BETTER FUCKING CHARGE ALL MY SHIT INTO A MINEFIELD SO MY MUTAS CAN GO 1on1 WITH THE MARINES
That plan is really brilliant Zergs aren't used to split up their armies, can't blame them.
Have you watched TLO's roach hydra before?
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On July 03 2013 02:56 Whatson wrote:
There's a reason you don't see extended muta ling bling play in the late-game anymore, once Terran gets 3/3 you need ultras+infestors
Good point. Infestors with banelings against all those marines! Ouch!
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Norway25712 Posts
On July 03 2013 02:57 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 02:50 ref4 wrote:On July 03 2013 02:46 BlackCompany wrote:
This is just bejond stupid. I have no words how fucking bad this was.
Limits him to 3 bases that are all soon mined out? YES, NO I BETTER FUCKING CHARGE ALL MY SHIT INTO A MINEFIELD SO MY MUTAS CAN GO 1on1 WITH THE MARINES
That plan is really brilliant Zergs aren't used to split up their armies, can't blame them. Have you watched TLO's roach hydra before?
He was making a joke. Being sarcastic.
I think.
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