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On June 20 2013 19:00 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 18:59 HolyArrow wrote:On June 20 2013 18:53 Zealously wrote:On June 20 2013 18:52 Dodgin wrote:On June 20 2013 18:48 Grumbels wrote:
since when does everyone here hate team Prime? I don't actually hate Prime just so It's clear. I hate no resume from replay or LAN allowing them to win when they should have lost. As much as I love ST, the only thing I think is clear is that MKP should have lost. Prime would still probably have won the series - they had a pretty solid line-up. Not really. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_Global_StarCraft_II_Team_League_Season_1/PlayoffsMKP at the time was Prime's Ace, and if Parting had the game (which he should have), that would have been 3-1 in Startale's favor, in addition to Prime's ace being eliminated. Furthermore, sure, Prime had a pretty solid lineup at the time, but MKP, the guy that SHOULD have been eliminated by Parting, went on to take out Bomber, Squirtle, and Curious, and I'm pretty sure that Parting, Bomber, Squirtle, and Curious would have been enough to take out the remaining two players that Prime decided to sent out (probably Byun and Creator, don't remember who else was on Prime at the time, but probably no one better than those two). would have, should have, no. hell, byun 3-killed them just their previous meeting - parting and squirtle included, and creator took out curious and bomber. you can't say oh mkp down, prime is dead. this talk is ridiculous, what's done is done
People also forget how shortly thereafter Prime crushed the KSL including 2 all-kills over StarTale.
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whose casting on OGN? sounds like DOA, whose the other guy? i browsed the liquipedia and the OP but didn't find it
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On June 20 2013 19:02 fishjie wrote:
whose casting on OGN? sounds like DOA, whose the other guy? i browsed the liquipedia and the OP but didn't find it
If it's the same casting duo from LoL, it's likely Montecristo
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Vancouver14381 Posts
On June 20 2013 19:02 fishjie wrote:
whose casting on OGN? sounds like DOA, whose the other guy? i browsed the liquipedia and the OP but didn't find it
DoA is casting with MonteCristo, a WC3/LoL caster.
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On June 20 2013 19:03 JBright wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 19:02 fishjie wrote:
whose casting on OGN? sounds like DOA, whose the other guy? i browsed the liquipedia and the OP but didn't find it DoA is casting with MonteCristo, a WC3/LoL caster.
oh hey you got modded, gratz! :D
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Norway25712 Posts
Wow, terrible Phoenix control T_T
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On June 20 2013 19:02 fixed_point wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 19:02 bo1b wrote:On June 20 2013 18:59 lichter wrote:On June 20 2013 18:58 opterown wrote:On June 20 2013 18:57 lichter wrote:On June 20 2013 18:56 Kasaraki wrote:On June 20 2013 18:54 Dodgin wrote:On June 20 2013 18:53 Lorning wrote:On June 20 2013 18:52 Dodgin wrote:On June 20 2013 18:48 Grumbels wrote:
since when does everyone here hate team Prime? I don't actually hate Prime just so It's clear. I hate no resume from replay or LAN allowing them to win when they should have lost. Why dont you blame the GSTL/IPL referees? I blame them too, but gerrard said something afterwards like " if they can prove that Parting would have won the game I will resign as coach " and there was never an investigation. If Gerrard had been forced to resign, Prime would probably be better today. But Gerrard is their best Prinezzang model! :o nah creator is! i miss his fashion shows Creator is adorbs but Gerrard is so manly I don't think there is a slang word I hate more then adorbs. Totes
lmao, thats pretty bad too :3
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On June 20 2013 19:01 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 18:59 PVJ wrote:On June 20 2013 18:57 lichter wrote:On June 20 2013 18:56 Kasaraki wrote:On June 20 2013 18:54 Dodgin wrote:On June 20 2013 18:53 Lorning wrote:On June 20 2013 18:52 Dodgin wrote:On June 20 2013 18:48 Grumbels wrote:
since when does everyone here hate team Prime? I don't actually hate Prime just so It's clear. I hate no resume from replay or LAN allowing them to win when they should have lost. Why dont you blame the GSTL/IPL referees? I blame them too, but gerrard said something afterwards like " if they can prove that Parting would have won the game I will resign as coach " and there was never an investigation. If Gerrard had been forced to resign, Prime would probably be better today. But Gerrard is their best Prinezzang model! :o That's like saying that because Kassia made that SC2manual for WJS fans he should be kept on roster. Woongjin most handsome Kespa team. Need to keep up their image ofc
Yeah I know. Everytime I'm in a 7/11 and can't decide what to drink I just imagine BrAv0 smiling at me and I go with a 하늘보리
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On June 20 2013 19:01 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 18:56 Kreb wrote:On June 20 2013 18:49 TeeTS wrote:On June 20 2013 18:44 Kreb wrote:
I wonder if the korean TvZ meta is ever gonna turn into something where you actually defend roach/baneling attacks most of the time and just play a bit greedily sometimes to switch things up rather than the other way around.... play TvZ on a decent level yourself and you'll understand that it's not that easy, since there are too many timings for zerg to hit with their various ling/bane and roach/bane pushes (don't even call them allin, since zerg transitions very smoothly out of them). The problem is, that you have to adjust your build to the actual timing way before it hits you. (to get a tank out f.e.) Well, Im not stupid enough to claim I know better than the pros, but it just seems to me roach/bane works way too often nowadays. Obviously I dont have any stats on it, but thats how I feel. And while I cant comment exactly how changing up build does affect high level TvZ, there just seems to be so many small things that can be done. Some basic things off the top of my head: - Get ~2 tanks out early as a standard part of your build - Make a habit of placing 2-3 naked rax as a part of your wall rather than 1 extra reactor rax in your main. You lose a bit of minerals, but later when you feel safe you can just lift up the rax and put them in the main and put addons on them. People did this on Cloud Kingdom all the time for example. - Make a habit of going double rather than single bunker. Surely that 100 mineral loss (25 after salvage) wont screw up that much. Theres probably more. Surely one or more of these things, or other small adjustments which I didnt mention, wont fuck up your build too much in case an attack doesnt come? The problem is, that the terran openings are very tight in rescources. if you want to play a pressure build, you simply have to delay your pressure by a lot for this extra safety. If you want to play greedy without any pressure, you're in a bad position anyway, since zerg probably will outgreed you easily. The fact, that no terran really seems to be safe on a regular basis from those baneling timings (even Innovation) should be hint enough, that it's very hard to react to them correctly.
I know thats the reasoning behind it. And its most surely the reasoning behind zergs going roach/bane so often nowadays. And as far as I can say, zergs are coming out ahead in that exchange. Maybe Im wrong, maybe its worth being vulnerable to early roach/bane to gain an advantage midgame when your MMM+mines are out in full force. But to me it seems the current meta favors zergs and terrans could use to play more defensively, at least for a while until the roach/bane meta falls out of fashion a bit.
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guess what, seven is actually an odd number of everything
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Wonder how many kills that MC has by now?
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On June 20 2013 19:05 PVJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 19:01 lichter wrote:On June 20 2013 18:59 PVJ wrote:On June 20 2013 18:57 lichter wrote:On June 20 2013 18:56 Kasaraki wrote:On June 20 2013 18:54 Dodgin wrote:On June 20 2013 18:53 Lorning wrote:On June 20 2013 18:52 Dodgin wrote:On June 20 2013 18:48 Grumbels wrote:
since when does everyone here hate team Prime? I don't actually hate Prime just so It's clear. I hate no resume from replay or LAN allowing them to win when they should have lost. Why dont you blame the GSTL/IPL referees? I blame them too, but gerrard said something afterwards like " if they can prove that Parting would have won the game I will resign as coach " and there was never an investigation. If Gerrard had been forced to resign, Prime would probably be better today. But Gerrard is their best Prinezzang model! :o That's like saying that because Kassia made that SC2manual for WJS fans he should be kept on roster. Woongjin most handsome Kespa team. Need to keep up their image ofc Yeah I know. Everytime I'm in a 7/11 and can't decide what to drink I just imagine BrAv0 smiling at me and I go with a 하늘보리
U so knowledgeable about korean drinks <3
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Gogo sOs. The scene needs a consistent protoss and you're the closest thing to that atm!
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Norway25712 Posts
Looks like a really clutch hold for sOs.
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On June 20 2013 19:00 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 18:59 HolyArrow wrote:On June 20 2013 18:53 Zealously wrote:On June 20 2013 18:52 Dodgin wrote:On June 20 2013 18:48 Grumbels wrote:
since when does everyone here hate team Prime? I don't actually hate Prime just so It's clear. I hate no resume from replay or LAN allowing them to win when they should have lost. As much as I love ST, the only thing I think is clear is that MKP should have lost. Prime would still probably have won the series - they had a pretty solid line-up. Not really. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_Global_StarCraft_II_Team_League_Season_1/PlayoffsMKP at the time was Prime's Ace, and if Parting had the game (which he should have), that would have been 3-1 in Startale's favor, in addition to Prime's ace being eliminated. Furthermore, sure, Prime had a pretty solid lineup at the time, but MKP, the guy that SHOULD have been eliminated by Parting, went on to take out Bomber, Squirtle, and Curious, and I'm pretty sure that Parting, Bomber, Squirtle, and Curious would have been enough to take out the remaining two players that Prime decided to sent out (probably Byun and Creator, don't remember who else was on Prime at the time, but probably no one better than those two). would have, should have, no. hell, byun 3-killed them just their previous meeting - parting and squirtle included this talk is ridiculous, what's done is done
At that level, any top player can 3-kill another group of top players. I don't deny the possibility that Byun and Creator COULD have still brought the win to Prime if Parting had beaten MKP, all I'm saying is that Startale's lineup was just as solid as Prime's at the time (contrary to what Zealously said), and when you have equally solid lineups but only 2 players to field from one and 4 players to field from the other, the lineup with 4 players left has the advantage. Startale would have been in an excellent position if the lag-out didn't occur, and instead they got shit on by the referees and I imagine the frustration also affected the play of the remaining ST players.
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soo with 1000 overmins... nearly as bad as me :O
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