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Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
June 15 2013 08:57 GMT
#461
Mvp's off-racing is boss. For example, his Zerg owned MarineKing, if I recall correctly. I am not too sure about Mvp's Protoss, but it is definitely KR GM level. Mvp could be a pro-gamer with any race, even random (considering he was KR GM with Random too...)

Don't be fooled... Mvp's macro is top-notch, you aren't going to see many people with better macro than him. Out of all the Terran players, I can only count a couple of players who can equal Mvp in macro... that would be TaeJa (during his peak, his macro was ridiculous... now TaeJa has wrist issues), Bomber (sometimes), Flash (arguably superior to Mvp), and INnoVation. I am not too sure about the other KeSPA Terrans, but that is what I believe. Mvp was pretty much the first true macro Terran.

As for micro, his splits used to be on par with MarineKing's. His drop play was on par with MMA's (just look up some of Mvp's 2011 TvZ lategame and you'll see that it's true). Then he had his wrist problems. Also, I think a big reason why people think Mvp's micro isn't great is because they see Mvp playing online (Iron Squid or even WCS EU Round of 32), and they don't realize how much lag affects his micro. Right now, it seems his wrists are better but not at 100%, yet look at Mvp vs. Stephano G4 (WCS EU Finals). His micro and splits were even better than the splits I've seen from MarineKing. Mvp's micro is fine, but there are other players who really shine in micro. (INnoVation's Hellion micro was godly.)

In terms of game sense, Mvp has BW Flash-like game sense. His nickname is the Game Genie Terran because he always scans right outside of his base and sees 20 Banelings morphing.

However, I think none of these characteristics truly represents Mvp's capabilities. Even though he is a complete player (micro, macro, game sense), his true strength lies in his championship mindset. Not only does this guy know how to prepare for long series, I think you will never ever ever ever ever see Mvp get tilted. Ever. His mental fortitude allowed him to win situations such as the Squirtle GSL Finals, and it's also what allows him to keep coming back again and again even after metagame changes (which can drastically hurt players like DongRaeGu, who simply was better with Ling/Bane/Muta than Brood Lord/Infestor) and health issues and the trend towards higher skill (who can argue that Hyperdub back in 2011 could even come close to Maru in 2013? I chose low-tier players on purpose).

Mvp essentially plays his own game. He doesn't care whether or not Protoss is imba (3-1 PartinG), whether or not an amazing new style is discovered (3-4 Life), whether or not elephants arrive (3-2 Rain), whether or not someone is hyped as the best RTS player of all time (2-3 INnoVation). I think that's the truly scary part of Mvp... he's never down, even when he should be.

(I mean, come on, this guy reached his peak already. He has a serious spine condition which renders him unable to practice or even feel his own clicks! The KeSPA switch resulted in an influx of extremely mechanically talented and hard-working fresh blood to the SC2 scene. Mvp's dominance occurred in 2011, when people didn't really know what a 3rd base was... Clearly, this guy should be irrelevant like FruitDealer. He's not.)
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xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
June 15 2013 09:04 GMT
#462
On June 15 2013 15:26 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2013 15:25 vrok wrote:
On June 15 2013 15:24 Bagration wrote:
I don't think NSH should be allowed back in the GSTL after this season. They aren't good enough, and they make this league lose credibility.

You expect another season of GSTL? I don't.


Unified Proleague 2014 is pretty much everyone's dream

Team8 can absorb one of the poorer GSTL teams

Yes! A unified proleague would be sick. Can't wait to see how much PvP would occur in LG-IM vs SKT.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44313 Posts
June 15 2013 09:08 GMT
#463
On June 15 2013 17:57 Entirety wrote:
Mvp's off-racing is boss. For example, his Zerg owned MarineKing, if I recall correctly. I am not too sure about Mvp's Protoss, but it is definitely KR GM level. Mvp could be a pro-gamer with any race, even random (considering he was KR GM with Random too...)

Don't be fooled... Mvp's macro is top-notch, you aren't going to see many people with better macro than him. Out of all the Terran players, I can only count a couple of players who can equal Mvp in macro... that would be TaeJa (during his peak, his macro was ridiculous... now TaeJa has wrist issues), Bomber (sometimes), Flash (arguably superior to Mvp), and INnoVation. I am not too sure about the other KeSPA Terrans, but that is what I believe. Mvp was pretty much the first true macro Terran.

As for micro, his splits used to be on par with MarineKing's. His drop play was on par with MMA's (just look up some of Mvp's 2011 TvZ lategame and you'll see that it's true). Then he had his wrist problems. Also, I think a big reason why people think Mvp's micro isn't great is because they see Mvp playing online (Iron Squid or even WCS EU Round of 32), and they don't realize how much lag affects his micro. Right now, it seems his wrists are better but not at 100%, yet look at Mvp vs. Stephano G4 (WCS EU Finals). His micro and splits were even better than the splits I've seen from MarineKing. Mvp's micro is fine, but there are other players who really shine in micro. (INnoVation's Hellion micro was godly.)

In terms of game sense, Mvp has BW Flash-like game sense. His nickname is the Game Genie Terran because he always scans right outside of his base and sees 20 Banelings morphing.

However, I think none of these characteristics truly represents Mvp's capabilities. Even though he is a complete player (micro, macro, game sense), his true strength lies in his championship mindset. Not only does this guy know how to prepare for long series, I think you will never ever ever ever ever see Mvp get tilted. Ever. His mental fortitude allowed him to win situations such as the Squirtle GSL Finals, and it's also what allows him to keep coming back again and again even after metagame changes (which can drastically hurt players like DongRaeGu, who simply was better with Ling/Bane/Muta than Brood Lord/Infestor) and health issues and the trend towards higher skill (who can argue that Hyperdub back in 2011 could even come close to Maru in 2013? I chose low-tier players on purpose).

Mvp essentially plays his own game. He doesn't care whether or not Protoss is imba (3-1 PartinG), whether or not an amazing new style is discovered (3-4 Life), whether or not elephants arrive (3-2 Rain), whether or not someone is hyped as the best RTS player of all time (2-3 INnoVation). I think that's the truly scary part of Mvp... he's never down, even when he should be.

(I mean, come on, this guy reached his peak already. He has a serious spine condition which renders him unable to practice or even feel his own clicks! The KeSPA switch resulted in an influx of extremely mechanically talented and hard-working fresh blood to the SC2 scene. Mvp's dominance occurred in 2011, when people didn't really know what a 3rd base was... Clearly, this guy should be irrelevant like FruitDealer. He's not.)



im a mvp fan but his macro is certainly not better than flash and innovation .. mkp's micro has always been a little better than mvps and innovation has no doubt better micro than mvp's .. but i agree that his game sense is top notch ... he is just so scary in series games .. he just doesnt crack under pressure he even perseveres more when he loses .. champions mentality is that what its called? idk but his good .. he's always been like playing his own game all the times .. but right now i dont think mvp is the best .. but he will certainly be part of the best .. as everyone says you cant count him out in any championship games .. mostly always been in the semi's,quarter or grand finals even not winning .. i mean no ones as consistent as that in sc2
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
June 15 2013 10:47 GMT
#464
LOL. I traded Maru for Losira and then I decided not to trade Nestea off my fantasy team this week because I thought, well he'll never play in GSTL anyways so 1 point at worst. Terminated myself quite nicely.
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Zeroxk
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway1244 Posts
June 15 2013 10:53 GMT
#465
NSH getting AK'd by Nestea? I didn't think they could get more embarassed.
On the other hand, delicious FGSTL points
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 15 2013 11:03 GMT
#466
On June 15 2013 19:53 Zeroxk wrote:
NSH getting AK'd by Nestea? I didn't think they could get more embarassed.
On the other hand, delicious FGSTL points


Prime must be even more embarrassed for being the only team to lose to them...
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 15 2013 11:33 GMT
#467
Nestea all-kill? Wtf I can get behind that, cool :D
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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37122 Posts
June 15 2013 15:33 GMT
#468
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417338

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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 15 2013 15:36 GMT
#469
Nesteaaaaaaaa
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
June 15 2013 18:10 GMT
#470
nice to see nestea in good form again, but the list of opponents he defeated today unfortunately isnt too impressve.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
-JoKeR-
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada387 Posts
June 15 2013 19:25 GMT
#471
He beat the best players on NSH, it wasn't really going to get any better.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
June 15 2013 19:53 GMT
#472
hahahaha this .gif + "Nestea wins 4:0" :D nice one and of course gj by nestea, would love to see him rulling the world again!
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Neemi
Profile Joined August 2012
Netherlands657 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 11:47:27
June 18 2013 11:47 GMT
#473
On June 15 2013 15:49 Entirety wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2013 15:35 ladyumbra wrote:
Almost everyone on IM has all killed in one of the various team leagues at this point. Hell I'm pretty sure Happy who's now retired got an all kill in either the KSL or iptl at some point.


The funny thing is that I cannot, for the life of me, remember an Mvp all-kill.

That's okay, Mvp all-kills GSLs.


He all-killed zergs during the race wars at the start of 2011:

http://www.aligulac.com/results/events/13880-Showmatch-Gisado-KotH-Race-Wars/

GG NESTEA :D
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