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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 09 2013 05:18 GMT
#4801
On June 09 2013 14:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 14:16 Fionn wrote:
[image loading]

Time to kill Innovation and win his 4th major title.


is this still funny?

yes
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
June 09 2013 05:18 GMT
#4802
On June 09 2013 14:18 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 14:16 edgeOut wrote:

On June 09 2013 14:03 Wildmoon wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:03 terapika wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:00 packrat386 wrote:
On June 09 2013 13:59 terapika wrote:
i hope u guys didn't really think a code B could take out a code s finalist


You came to the wrong neighborhood dude. mvp has won more SC2 tournaments than bogus has even played in to this point. Anyone who had any idea what was going on knew that this was going to be a really close series.


You mean when kespa were still playing bw


You are disgusting...


He was telling a truthful fact, and you are doing personal attack.


read the entire conversation....its disrespectful.


Read the moment Terapika typed Innovation 3-0 incoming
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
DustbinBieber
Profile Joined April 2013
France276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 05:19:35
June 09 2013 05:18 GMT
#4803
On June 09 2013 14:07 Canucklehead wrote:
So sad for mvp. He totally outplayed innovation that series except in one key area...hellbats! I don't know why mvp went widow mine builds game 4 and 5 cause hellbats > mines! At least mvp proved he could go toe to toe with innovation and rightfully should have won if not for freaking hellbats.


Calm down.
Bogus is mechanically much better than MVP (even at full wrist capacity), and has one hell of a tactical sense too.
I'm a big MVP fan and this series didn't boil down to hellbats but to a well-deserved win. It's quite amazing that it went all the way to the final game considering how much of a beast Bogus has been lately. MVP really is an incredible player.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
June 09 2013 05:18 GMT
#4804
On June 09 2013 14:16 stuchiu wrote:
sOs probably going to win. Ryu Won is backing sOs and Last is backing Innovation.

Oh dear god...
I just realized now..
in WCS KR Finals, Innovation pulled off a Last...

Still remember those 3-0 leads vs Rain and MC
only to lose.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
June 09 2013 05:18 GMT
#4805
On June 09 2013 14:11 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 14:07 Canucklehead wrote:
So sad for mvp. He totally outplayed innovation that series except in one key area...hellbats! I don't know why mvp went widow mine builds game 4 and 5 cause hellbats > mines! At least mvp proved he could go toe to toe with innovation and rightfully should have won if not for freaking hellbats.



yeah he was outplaying innovation TBH .. but its not suprising mvp lost im also not disappointed .. innovation is a good player and has epic micro .. i just didnt think mvp is this good even with bad mechanics due to health issues .. i didnt expect innovation to have a very hard time despite that


mvp plays a great great series but thats about it. It's apparent that Bogus choked hard on Akilon and hes in a shitty state of mind for proxying marauder for nothing on Daybreak. Otherwise, his micro (look at that constant medivac drop/pickup), his game sense/awareness (look at how he caught mvp out of guard on newkirk with super fast techswitch) are better, his defense on WW was flawless.

So, mvp is mentally better but Bogus is a more skilled player
at least back your claim with some clues kids
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
June 09 2013 05:19 GMT
#4806
On June 09 2013 14:12 ShowTheLights wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 14:12 Rad wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:09 ShowTheLights wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:08 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:06 quirinus wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:05 ShowTheLights wrote:
wait the final is in TWO hours?! can somebody confirm this for me?


Yea, says 16:00 KST on GOM stream.
That's in 1:55 hours... wtf...

Seriously??? That's fuckng lame I realllyy wanted to watch these finals live but guess I won't be able too T.T Why such a long break inbetween??


yeah this was dissapointing

WCS final vods will be FREE right? They changed this? Not just for Day 1? I can watch this later?


I doubt the vods will be free right away. I heard they were to be posted next weekend for free at the wcs portal. In the meantime, you can pay gom $15 or ogn $5 if you want to watch it tomorrow. =/

If they did change something, I want my refund >.>


I swear I saw a reddit post or teamliquid post that said the VODs would be free, did I just actually dream this?

ogn vods are free in 480p, gom ones are still not I believe.
Moderatorlickypiddy
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
June 09 2013 05:19 GMT
#4807
On June 09 2013 14:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 14:16 Fionn wrote:
[image loading]

Time to kill Innovation and win his 4th major title.


is this still funny?


I'm not trying to be funny.

Ryu Won wins championships.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1702 Posts
June 09 2013 05:19 GMT
#4808
On June 09 2013 14:16 Fionn wrote:
[image loading]

Time to kill Innovation and win his 4th major title.


ajahahahhahah as an MMA fan, i LOVE this
•••Acer.MMA••• <> KT_Puzzle <> JinAir•GreenWings_CoCa <> CJ_herO <> Axiom CranK & Ryung <> IM_Seed <> IM_Squirtle <> le' ToD <> Innovation <> ROOT_CatZ <> inuh! <> Chobra <> SKT1_Fantasy
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
June 09 2013 05:19 GMT
#4809
I would be less salty if innovation hadn't gone full bm on the planet S game where he got a practical B.O win, but Mvp bungled that 5th game so hard that in the end I am okay with how things went, innovation played better overall.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
affect
Profile Joined June 2010
United States60 Posts
June 09 2013 05:19 GMT
#4810
MvP played like a champion and will always be my second favorite player after flash. Innovation played one build over and over, at-least MvP showed us a lot of variety and that he can play anything well. MvP really is one of the greatest players of all time :D
im cool
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
June 09 2013 05:19 GMT
#4811
On June 09 2013 14:13 Laryleprakon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 14:12 Rad wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:09 ShowTheLights wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:08 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:06 quirinus wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:05 ShowTheLights wrote:
wait the final is in TWO hours?! can somebody confirm this for me?


Yea, says 16:00 KST on GOM stream.
That's in 1:55 hours... wtf...

Seriously??? That's fuckng lame I realllyy wanted to watch these finals live but guess I won't be able too T.T Why such a long break inbetween??


yeah this was dissapointing

WCS final vods will be FREE right? They changed this? Not just for Day 1? I can watch this later?


I doubt the vods will be free right away. I heard they were to be posted next weekend for free at the wcs portal. In the meantime, you can pay gom $15 or ogn $5 if you want to watch it tomorrow. =/

If they did change something, I want my refund >.>


Vods are free and normally up pretty fast on OGN streams


Wow. I checked a couple days ago and it had the pay wall screen blocking vods. That prompted me to buy the gsl pass (mainly because gsl organized the vods properly to be non-spoiler, and spoilerfreesc2 reddit didn't have non-gomtv links up yet). It was so hard for me to convince myself to put down the $15 for the weekend but I really wanted a good experience for this Now I see spoilerfreesc2 has all the free vods up I like supporting esports but having paid for all the recent GSLs and then having to pay again for these finals when they were free.............
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17718 Posts
June 09 2013 05:19 GMT
#4812
On June 09 2013 14:08 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 14:06 Evangelist wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:03 Wildmoon wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:03 terapika wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:00 packrat386 wrote:
On June 09 2013 13:59 terapika wrote:
i hope u guys didn't really think a code B could take out a code s finalist


You came to the wrong neighborhood dude. mvp has won more SC2 tournaments than bogus has even played in to this point. Anyone who had any idea what was going on knew that this was going to be a really close series.


You mean when kespa were still playing bw


You are disgusting...


Nah he's just embarassed that his Kespa hero struggled like mad to make it past a guy with RSI so bad he can't feel his mouse hand clicking.

I'd be embarassed too. This is coming from a guy who actually welcomed Kespa into the scene but gravely dislikes the BW fanbois and retarded elephant bs. Mvp is still the best terran player in the world. Nothing I saw in that series dissuades me from that.


You know... Flash's delayed his surgery while still playing in the OSL and only went to surgery because he lost in the Ro8. He had less than a few months to start playing again once the next season started and pushed to the OSL Ro4 vs Fantasy again.

Hydra plays with 1 eye.

Hoejja and other players are lefties.

Don't pretend only MVP has it hard.

HOLY SHIT NOT LEFTIES!! OMG I'M SO SORRY FOR THEM lol
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
June 09 2013 05:19 GMT
#4813
On June 09 2013 14:12 Zinthar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 14:05 Maski wrote:
At first when INnoVation got hyped so much I thought it was kinda funny, but did not pay that much attention to it. Then, when he started owning everyone on his road to the GSL finals I was just amazed by his play and his awesome mechanics. I really wanted him to win the GSL and seeing him go down to Soulkey really hurt. I was really afraid he might be so affected by the loss that he would drop off, but he has proven me wrong. Going to the finals after losing one just the week before in an embarassing fashion is just an amazing accomplishment. He has however shown that he is mortal and has problem dealing with high pressure. But this makes him even more awesome imo. Definitively became a fan over the past days!!!


Innovation's mechanics are incredibly impressive -- perhaps the best in the world in that aspect. That said, it really looked like Mvp had his number in the games that went past hellbat drops. A lot of his play seems to rely upon doing critical damage with his drops; in game 7 vs. SoulKey that mentality really back-fired on him.


He reminds me a lot of Taeja. I remember when Taeja was that best in the world mechanically amazing timing incredible damage terran who couldn't lose an engagement and he couldn't put a foot wrong.

Then he played Rain who sat back and just chain stormed him every time he went up a ramp and then storm dropped his bases and Taeja looked completely stumped. Taeja was so much better than Rain and on paper should have dominated him if you looked at it purely from "mechanics" (an overused term) but ultimately there's a reason this is called a strategy game

I reckon Flash will be watching those Mvp games very closely. The telling thing is that Innovation looked relieved that it was over whereas Mvp had what I like to call the Man United Mentality - I lost this one, but I'll be back here again and you won't have the advantage next time.
arkedos
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1426 Posts
June 09 2013 05:19 GMT
#4814
you should think of the players: they need to get a rest to play their best (wow what a rhyme).

So this break should be considered as being okay.
love esports - hate homophobia
JP Dayne
Profile Joined June 2013
538 Posts
June 09 2013 05:20 GMT
#4815
On June 09 2013 14:17 EFermi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 14:06 Evangelist wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:03 Wildmoon wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:03 terapika wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:00 packrat386 wrote:
On June 09 2013 13:59 terapika wrote:
i hope u guys didn't really think a code B could take out a code s finalist


You came to the wrong neighborhood dude. mvp has won more SC2 tournaments than bogus has even played in to this point. Anyone who had any idea what was going on knew that this was going to be a really close series.


You mean when kespa were still playing bw


You are disgusting...


Nah he's just embarassed that his Kespa hero struggled like mad to make it past a guy with RSI so bad he can't feel his mouse hand clicking.

I'd be embarassed too. This is coming from a guy who actually welcomed Kespa into the scene but gravely dislikes the BW fanbois and retarded elephant bs. Mvp is still the best terran player in the world. Nothing I saw in that series dissuades me from that.


http://i.imgur.com/GFmrY.jpg

I think this guy can dissuade you.



is the flash=god thing still a thing?
Zinthar
Profile Joined March 2011
United States394 Posts
June 09 2013 05:20 GMT
#4816
On June 09 2013 14:11 rothsbury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 14:04 snakeeyez wrote:
Blizz said if a matchup is the same thing everytime they would change it. I think hellbats fit into that, but hellbats later on are important to help with siege tanks for mech so weakening them changes how that works too. Maybe just remove the healing.

I don't understand the argument that you need hellbats to be super strong for mech. If mech is unviable unless you have an OP unit (and for their cost, hellbats are most definitely OP), then there are more fundamental problems with mech. If mech is truly worth making viable then those fundamentals need to be fixed.

Personally I don't see the need to force mech to be viable. I know artosis loves it, but it's not like terran lacks other perfectly good strategies. Terran in SC2/ hots is different from BW, and I don't see the big need to try and force hots terran to be more like BW by emphasising mech.


I agree that a tech path's viability shouldn't rely upon one unit being OP (for its cost).

But, at the same time, they really should balance the game such that different tech paths are all viable. At the moment, a lot of tech paths in various matchups are vastly superior to others. For instance, it's hard to imagine mech being viable in TvP, or airtoss in PvT, with the current unit balance. The matchup that seems to see the most different builds at the moment is ZvP; ideally the others would be as dynamic as that.

For terran in paticular, the relative strength of bio/hellbat/medivac vs. Protoss, hellbat into mech vs. Terran, and bio/mine/medivac vs. Zerg seems to dictate the meta-game in all of those matchups. Not much else is really viable.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 09 2013 05:20 GMT
#4817
On June 09 2013 14:19 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 14:08 Caihead wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:06 Evangelist wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:03 Wildmoon wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:03 terapika wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:00 packrat386 wrote:
On June 09 2013 13:59 terapika wrote:
i hope u guys didn't really think a code B could take out a code s finalist


You came to the wrong neighborhood dude. mvp has won more SC2 tournaments than bogus has even played in to this point. Anyone who had any idea what was going on knew that this was going to be a really close series.


You mean when kespa were still playing bw


You are disgusting...


Nah he's just embarassed that his Kespa hero struggled like mad to make it past a guy with RSI so bad he can't feel his mouse hand clicking.

I'd be embarassed too. This is coming from a guy who actually welcomed Kespa into the scene but gravely dislikes the BW fanbois and retarded elephant bs. Mvp is still the best terran player in the world. Nothing I saw in that series dissuades me from that.


You know... Flash's delayed his surgery while still playing in the OSL and only went to surgery because he lost in the Ro8. He had less than a few months to start playing again once the next season started and pushed to the OSL Ro4 vs Fantasy again.

Hydra plays with 1 eye.

Hoejja and other players are lefties.

Don't pretend only MVP has it hard.

HOLY SHIT NOT LEFTIES!! OMG I'M SO SORRY FOR THEM lol


Have you tried playing BW as a leftie?
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
June 09 2013 05:20 GMT
#4818
On June 09 2013 14:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 14:16 Fionn wrote:
[image loading]

Time to kill Innovation and win his 4th major title.


is this still funny?

It's funny cuz it's true.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 09 2013 05:20 GMT
#4819
On June 09 2013 14:19 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 14:08 Caihead wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:06 Evangelist wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:03 Wildmoon wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:03 terapika wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:00 packrat386 wrote:
On June 09 2013 13:59 terapika wrote:
i hope u guys didn't really think a code B could take out a code s finalist


You came to the wrong neighborhood dude. mvp has won more SC2 tournaments than bogus has even played in to this point. Anyone who had any idea what was going on knew that this was going to be a really close series.


You mean when kespa were still playing bw


You are disgusting...


Nah he's just embarassed that his Kespa hero struggled like mad to make it past a guy with RSI so bad he can't feel his mouse hand clicking.

I'd be embarassed too. This is coming from a guy who actually welcomed Kespa into the scene but gravely dislikes the BW fanbois and retarded elephant bs. Mvp is still the best terran player in the world. Nothing I saw in that series dissuades me from that.


You know... Flash's delayed his surgery while still playing in the OSL and only went to surgery because he lost in the Ro8. He had less than a few months to start playing again once the next season started and pushed to the OSL Ro4 vs Fantasy again.

Hydra plays with 1 eye.

Hoejja and other players are lefties.

Don't pretend only MVP has it hard.

HOLY SHIT NOT LEFTIES!! OMG I'M SO SORRY FOR THEM lol


that means the devil already in em,
Zerg for Life
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
June 09 2013 05:20 GMT
#4820
On June 09 2013 14:14 namste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 14:14 nkr wrote:
Can someone tell a poor european viewer how many koreans showed up today? Is it a big audience?


More foreigners in the audience than locals.


It's like 3:1 or 4:1 Koreans to foreigners here
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