• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:55
CET 14:55
KST 22:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)35
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win StarCraft 2 not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey!
Tourneys
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship $70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open! SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Which foreign pros are considered the best?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Provigil(modafinil) pills Cape Town+27 81 850 2816
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Esports Advertising Shap…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1907 users

WCS Season 1 Finals Day 1 - Page 255

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 253 254 255 256 257 336 Next
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 07 2013 09:16 GMT
#5081
On June 07 2013 18:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:14 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Poll: HerO vs Symbol?

HerO (8)
 
50%

Symbol (8)
 
50%

16 total votes

Your vote: HerO vs Symbol?

(Vote): HerO
(Vote): Symbol



Head to head: HerO 7-0 Symbol

last match november 2012 D:


Gotta count for something at least, protoss got stronger in PvZ since then!
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
June 07 2013 09:16 GMT
#5082
I have to say the Zerg vs Innovation metagame is getting a little predictable...
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
June 07 2013 09:17 GMT
#5083
On June 07 2013 18:16 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:15 opterown wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:14 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:12 Yello wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:10 Dodgin wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:09 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:08 Heartland wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 packrat386 wrote:
God everybody just cheesing the shit out of innovation.


Could you guys stop forgetting that 3 CC double EB is as cheesy as bane/roach all-ins?


That's not what cheese means.


Greed-cheese if you will.


I totally agree with you, if you try to get away with such a greedy build you're just asking to get busted. Once Bogus stops doing the same greedy macro build every game people will stop busting him.


the problem is the balance between greed and safety. You need to as greedy as possible against an equally skilled Zerg.
And Innovation is able to defend the Roach-Bane all-ins if he scouts it in time, so he probably does this build and relies on reacting to his opponents play

This isn't WoL. Zerg can't take fast 3-Hatch against a 2-base Terran, and Terran can't do it either.

It would be a bit strange for Terran to go fast 3-hatch, even in HotS

Dude, 3-hatch Terran was the shit in WoL.

I don't know about you, but I went 3 hatch carriers in most of my WoL TvZs.
Chr15t
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1103 Posts
June 07 2013 09:17 GMT
#5084
Quick poll, will innovation make a tank? ;D
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
June 07 2013 09:17 GMT
#5085
On June 07 2013 18:12 Yello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:10 Dodgin wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:09 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:08 Heartland wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 packrat386 wrote:
God everybody just cheesing the shit out of innovation.


Could you guys stop forgetting that 3 CC double EB is as cheesy as bane/roach all-ins?


That's not what cheese means.


Greed-cheese if you will.


I totally agree with you, if you try to get away with such a greedy build you're just asking to get busted. Once Bogus stops doing the same greedy macro build every game people will stop busting him.


the problem is the balance between greed and safety. You need to as greedy as possible against an equally skilled Zerg.
And Innovation is able to defend the Roach-Bane all-ins if he scouts it in time, so he probably does this build and relies on reacting to his opponents play


Yes this is true. BUT in this game, Roro went for a fast gas and Innovation scouted it. So Innovation is just ahead by default if they play a macro game, so he can absolutly afford the extra 1-2 tanks squeezed in and delay his ebays slightly. Instead he chose to go for the most greedy fuck in the book, after scouting that his opponent already had a clock on him.
Crazyahmed
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada280 Posts
June 07 2013 09:17 GMT
#5086
On June 07 2013 18:15 Godwrath wrote:
I just tuned it, and i listened "Team Liquid Herouuu, frum Amurica" ?

What the lol


they are trying to make you think that any region except Korea has anything to do with this tournament
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 07 2013 09:17 GMT
#5087
On June 07 2013 18:16 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I just woke up, I like how none of the predictions are right. :DDDD


Standard. ~_~
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
June 07 2013 09:17 GMT
#5088
On June 07 2013 18:15 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Innovation will end up like MKP if he continues his greed trend.


oh god please no ::
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 07 2013 09:17 GMT
#5089
On June 07 2013 18:16 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:14 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Poll: HerO vs Symbol?

HerO (8)
 
50%

Symbol (8)
 
50%

16 total votes

Your vote: HerO vs Symbol?

(Vote): HerO
(Vote): Symbol



Head to head: HerO 7-0 Symbol

last match november 2012 D:


Gotta count for something at least, protoss got stronger in PvZ since then!

That's the 2nd most describing win rate I've found out about today. Did you know aLive was 5-1 vs Stephano before? now 7-1
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
GunSec
Profile Joined February 2010
1095 Posts
June 07 2013 09:17 GMT
#5090
gogo Hero foreigner's only hope XD
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
June 07 2013 09:17 GMT
#5091
On June 07 2013 18:16 Wintex wrote:
Ah well. Either INnoVation fixes this build addiction or he'll learn that the reason some champions of SC2 have not faded away is because they adapted to everything. Mvp can do it all. I think INno can too.



Inno is not a champion just yet because of that.
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 07 2013 09:17 GMT
#5092
On June 07 2013 18:17 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:15 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Innovation will end up like MKP if he continues his greed trend.


oh god please no ::

My FPL team is "Bogus is the KeSPA MarineKing"
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 07 2013 09:17 GMT
#5093
On June 07 2013 18:17 Chr15t wrote:
Quick poll, will innovation make a tank? ;D


What are tanks? I'll take swords for 500 alec.
kinverse
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)137 Posts
June 07 2013 09:18 GMT
#5094
On June 07 2013 18:17 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:16 Wintex wrote:
Ah well. Either INnoVation fixes this build addiction or he'll learn that the reason some champions of SC2 have not faded away is because they adapted to everything. Mvp can do it all. I think INno can too.



Inno is not a champion just yet because of that.



almost....almost...
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 07 2013 09:18 GMT
#5095
On June 07 2013 18:17 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:17 Makro wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:15 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Innovation will end up like MKP if he continues his greed trend.


oh god please no ::

My FPL team is "Bogus is the KeSPA MarineKing"

mine is 5-minute FPL or something
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
June 07 2013 09:18 GMT
#5096
HOLY SHIT FORGG WON.
#SWAG
#ForGG Vs Innovation finals.


I'm so happy right now,all the 4weezy haters must shit themselves.
RIP MKP
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
June 07 2013 09:18 GMT
#5097
On June 07 2013 18:17 Crazyahmed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:15 Godwrath wrote:
I just tuned it, and i listened "Team Liquid Herouuu, frum Amurica" ?

What the lol


they are trying to make you think that any region except Korea has anything to do with this tournament


Dimaga can still win this! I believe!
Neosteel Enthusiast
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
June 07 2013 09:18 GMT
#5098
On June 07 2013 18:17 GunSec wrote:
gogo Hero foreigner's only hope XD

Jurgen is already in the next round :D
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
June 07 2013 09:18 GMT
#5099
On June 07 2013 18:16 Evil_Sheep wrote:
I have to say the Zerg vs Innovation metagame is getting a little predictable...



Yeah you'd think Innovation would actually try to play a little safer -_-
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
Pirat6662001
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation949 Posts
June 07 2013 09:18 GMT
#5100
On June 07 2013 17:51 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 17:48 Pirat6662001 wrote:
Why foreigners lack even basic pride? with expressions like- going full foreigner, why wouldnt you play the safest surest way possible, so if you lose its not because of "full foreigner" . pure ultra is one of the least effective strats vs swarm hosts.


Hey Pirat, Dimaga is playing so I guess it makes sense we see you!

I have a question. Why are 95% of your last 40 posts about trashing the russian players? Don't you have something else to do? I find it especially interesting how you only seem to participate in the LR threads when there are russian players, just so you can trash them.

only watch sc2 for couple koreans and russian speaking players. i can understand being beaten by someone, but you should not beat yourself. after 2 years i am tired of people doing the same mistakes over and over and over. The lack of progress of the foreign scene is baffling and frustrating.
So.. this Earth, nice planet you might say- WRONG!!
Prev 1 253 254 255 256 257 336 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 19h 5m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
BRAT_OK 87
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4473
Rain 4444
Flash 2011
Horang2 1044
Shuttle 751
Hyuk 728
Light 596
ZerO 574
EffOrt 526
BeSt 490
[ Show more ]
Soma 304
Rush 284
Soulkey 268
Snow 249
hero 204
Zeus 199
Mong 180
Hyun 125
Last 111
JYJ 96
Pusan 88
Mind 53
Barracks 45
Hm[arnc] 28
ToSsGirL 22
Free 22
Yoon 18
Nal_rA 17
scan(afreeca) 17
sorry 16
Shinee 16
Noble 12
GoRush 11
910 11
SilentControl 10
Terrorterran 9
Icarus 7
Dota 2
qojqva1626
Fuzer 179
XcaliburYe131
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2684
fl0m2079
x6flipin442
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor124
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1241
B2W.Neo1124
hiko425
crisheroes301
DeMusliM274
RotterdaM251
Pyrionflax190
Happy179
Mew2King84
Rex51
ZerO(Twitch)16
ToD12
Organizations
StarCraft 2
WardiTV715
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV352
• lizZardDota266
League of Legends
• Jankos3172
• Stunt882
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
19h 5m
HomeStory Cup
1d 22h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
HomeStory Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
HomeStory Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-26
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Rongyi Cup S3
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W6
Escore Tournament S1: W7
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
HSC XXVIII
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.