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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 07 2013 09:18 GMT
#5101
On June 07 2013 18:17 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:16 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:14 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Poll: HerO vs Symbol?

HerO (8)
 
50%

Symbol (8)
 
50%

16 total votes

Your vote: HerO vs Symbol?

(Vote): HerO
(Vote): Symbol



Head to head: HerO 7-0 Symbol

last match november 2012 D:


Gotta count for something at least, protoss got stronger in PvZ since then!

That's the 2nd most describing win rate I've found out about today. Did you know aLive was 5-1 vs Stephano before? now 7-1


Wow, didn't see that one coming. I guess they only ever played when aLive was in form?
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 09:18:42
June 07 2013 09:18 GMT
#5102
On June 07 2013 18:17 Crazyahmed wrote:
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On June 07 2013 18:15 Godwrath wrote:
I just tuned it, and i listened "Team Liquid Herouuu, frum Amurica" ?

What the lol


they are trying to make you think that any region except Korea has anything to do with this tournament

Yeah, take a look at the OP banner. Hilarious.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
June 07 2013 09:18 GMT
#5103
On June 07 2013 18:16 figq wrote:
Even if Innovation got last in his group and this was happening before the TL power rank, they'd still put him as number 1.

First rule of the Power Rank is you don't talk about Power rank.
Stork[gm]
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 07 2013 09:18 GMT
#5104
On June 07 2013 18:18 Douillos wrote:
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On June 07 2013 18:16 Evil_Sheep wrote:
I have to say the Zerg vs Innovation metagame is getting a little predictable...



Yeah you'd think Innovation would actually try to play a little safer -_-


What is safe? What are these words you speak of!
Chr15t
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1103 Posts
June 07 2013 09:19 GMT
#5105
On June 07 2013 18:17 StarStruck wrote:
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On June 07 2013 18:17 Chr15t wrote:
Quick poll, will innovation make a tank? ;D


What are tanks? I'll take swords for 500 alec.

Lol! i guess we have our answer then
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Wodger
Profile Joined October 2008
Scotland380 Posts
June 07 2013 09:19 GMT
#5106
Has there been no observer on the main OGN stream the whole time?
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
June 07 2013 09:19 GMT
#5107
On June 07 2013 18:15 graNite wrote:
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On June 07 2013 18:14 JoeHannes wrote:
Almost all Zergs busting the shit out of Innovation, poor guy =[

Because he is too good macrowise... I hope he adopts soon.


I think you're grossly overestimating Bogus' skill in long games. The reason he looks so good when the games hits that point is because when he isn't getting busted and punished, he goes into the mid-game with an extreme advantage due to a greedy opening, and he converts that huge mid-game advantage into big damage and snowballs into the late game if it even lasts that long. He executes his mid-game well, but I don't think he's actually as mind blowing as people give him credit for. It's mostly just really solid consistent play IF his opponent lets him take the upper hand.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 09:19:23
June 07 2013 09:19 GMT
#5108
On June 07 2013 18:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:17 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:16 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:14 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Poll: HerO vs Symbol?

HerO (8)
 
50%

Symbol (8)
 
50%

16 total votes

Your vote: HerO vs Symbol?

(Vote): HerO
(Vote): Symbol



Head to head: HerO 7-0 Symbol

last match november 2012 D:


Gotta count for something at least, protoss got stronger in PvZ since then!

That's the 2nd most describing win rate I've found out about today. Did you know aLive was 5-1 vs Stephano before? now 7-1


Wow, didn't see that one coming. I guess they only ever played when aLive was in form?

yeah. They were pretty old but it was like aLive 2-0 Stephano at IPL3 where Stephano won the tournament and a win in a NASL qualifier among other things
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TL+ Member
Kaedeleus
Profile Joined September 2011
France20 Posts
June 07 2013 09:19 GMT
#5109
Forgg!!!

Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
June 07 2013 09:19 GMT
#5110
On June 07 2013 18:17 Douillos wrote:
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On June 07 2013 18:16 Wintex wrote:
Ah well. Either INnoVation fixes this build addiction or he'll learn that the reason some champions of SC2 have not faded away is because they adapted to everything. Mvp can do it all. I think INno can too.



Inno is not a champion just yet because of that.

Exactly. Survival of the fittest.
The Bomber boy
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
June 07 2013 09:19 GMT
#5111
On June 07 2013 18:18 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:18 Douillos wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:16 Evil_Sheep wrote:
I have to say the Zerg vs Innovation metagame is getting a little predictable...



Yeah you'd think Innovation would actually try to play a little safer -_-


What is safe? What are these words you speak of!


Safe to block roach bane at least.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
June 07 2013 09:19 GMT
#5112
On June 07 2013 18:17 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:12 Yello wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:10 Dodgin wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:09 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:08 Heartland wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 packrat386 wrote:
God everybody just cheesing the shit out of innovation.


Could you guys stop forgetting that 3 CC double EB is as cheesy as bane/roach all-ins?


That's not what cheese means.


Greed-cheese if you will.


I totally agree with you, if you try to get away with such a greedy build you're just asking to get busted. Once Bogus stops doing the same greedy macro build every game people will stop busting him.


the problem is the balance between greed and safety. You need to as greedy as possible against an equally skilled Zerg.
And Innovation is able to defend the Roach-Bane all-ins if he scouts it in time, so he probably does this build and relies on reacting to his opponents play


Yes this is true. BUT in this game, Roro went for a fast gas and Innovation scouted it. So Innovation is just ahead by default if they play a macro game, so he can absolutly afford the extra 1-2 tanks squeezed in and delay his ebays slightly. Instead he chose to go for the most greedy fuck in the book, after scouting that his opponent already had a clock on him.

What kind of nonsense is this? You're not "ahead by default" at all if your opponent went fast gas...
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
June 07 2013 09:19 GMT
#5113
On June 07 2013 18:15 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:12 Yello wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:10 Dodgin wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:09 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:08 Heartland wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 packrat386 wrote:
God everybody just cheesing the shit out of innovation.


Could you guys stop forgetting that 3 CC double EB is as cheesy as bane/roach all-ins?


That's not what cheese means.


Greed-cheese if you will.


I totally agree with you, if you try to get away with such a greedy build you're just asking to get busted. Once Bogus stops doing the same greedy macro build every game people will stop busting him.


the problem is the balance between greed and safety. You need to as greedy as possible against an equally skilled Zerg.
And Innovation is able to defend the Roach-Bane all-ins if he scouts it in time, so he probably does this build and relies on reacting to his opponents play


I think this isn't nearly as true as it was in WoL, you can do a conservative build and still be fine if your harassment with hellbat/mine drops does well.


I believe TheDwf made a great post explaining why you must open with an ultra sharp build against zerg that's close to greediness if you want not to be rolled later into the game.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 07 2013 09:20 GMT
#5114
Drones? Whatcha doin here?
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Chr15t
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1103 Posts
June 07 2013 09:20 GMT
#5115
So wait, if innovation gets 2nd in the group .. does he go up against ForGG? :OOOOOOOOOO
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 07 2013 09:20 GMT
#5116
will Innovation snap his 5 game losing streak vs GSL champions?
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TL+ Member
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
June 07 2013 09:20 GMT
#5117
Ugh I think Roro is gonna roll Innovation again with some cheese.
Check out some great music made by TLers - http://bit.ly/QXYhdb , by intrigue. http://bit.ly/RTjpOR , by ohsea.toc.
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
June 07 2013 09:20 GMT
#5118
On June 07 2013 18:20 Shellshock1122 wrote:
will Innovation snap his 5 game losing streak vs GSL champions?


I doubt he will.
Check out some great music made by TLers - http://bit.ly/QXYhdb , by intrigue. http://bit.ly/RTjpOR , by ohsea.toc.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 07 2013 09:20 GMT
#5119
On June 07 2013 18:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:17 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:16 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:14 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Poll: HerO vs Symbol?

HerO (8)
 
50%

Symbol (8)
 
50%

16 total votes

Your vote: HerO vs Symbol?

(Vote): HerO
(Vote): Symbol



Head to head: HerO 7-0 Symbol

last match november 2012 D:


Gotta count for something at least, protoss got stronger in PvZ since then!

That's the 2nd most describing win rate I've found out about today. Did you know aLive was 5-1 vs Stephano before? now 7-1


Wow, didn't see that one coming. I guess they only ever played when aLive was in form?


Oh I knew of it. That's one of the reasons I didn't give Stephano the nod over him plus he's not on form.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
June 07 2013 09:20 GMT
#5120
On June 07 2013 18:19 Scribble wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:15 graNite wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:14 JoeHannes wrote:
Almost all Zergs busting the shit out of Innovation, poor guy =[

Because he is too good macrowise... I hope he adopts soon.


I think you're grossly overestimating Bogus' skill in long games. The reason he looks so good when the games hits that point is because when he isn't getting busted and punished, he goes into the mid-game with an extreme advantage due to a greedy opening, and he converts that huge mid-game advantage into big damage and snowballs into the late game if it even lasts that long. He executes his mid-game well, but I don't think he's actually as mind blowing as people give him credit for. It's mostly just really solid consistent play IF his opponent lets him take the upper hand.

Except you have no "extreme advantage" since Zerg also gets his ups at the same time + 75 drones at 10'.
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