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On June 06 2013 14:58 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 14:36 Caihead wrote:On June 06 2013 13:18 Evil_Sheep wrote:On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote:
If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that. Next season, it will be between 16 and 18. Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process. On June 06 2013 12:58 Caihead wrote:On June 06 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote:On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote:
If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that. Next season, it will be between 16 and 18. Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process. I think you skipped a season somewhere in there 2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today. Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too. I'm afraid you're both wrong: WCS S1: 14 Kespa: Parting, sOs, Flying, Rain, Flash, Innovation, Last, Fantasy, Roro, Soulkey, True, Shine, Crazy, soO 2013 S1: 5 Kespa: Parting, Innovation, TY, Soulkey, Roro 2012 S5: 7 Kespa: Rain, sOs, Bbyong, Bogus, Baby, Roro, Soulkey 2012 S4: 2 Kespa: Rain, Jaedong Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy. Yes Parting and Major are Kespa. No, MVP Nestea ForGG are not. How is this even debatable? Oh "training". HuK is Korean right?
So EG-TL is Kespa now because of coach park right? Kespa just won WCS AM, good to know.
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On June 06 2013 15:00 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 14:58 bittman wrote:On June 06 2013 14:36 Caihead wrote:On June 06 2013 13:18 Evil_Sheep wrote:On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote:
If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that. Next season, it will be between 16 and 18. Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process. On June 06 2013 12:58 Caihead wrote:On June 06 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote:On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote:
If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that. Next season, it will be between 16 and 18. Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process. I think you skipped a season somewhere in there 2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today. Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too. I'm afraid you're both wrong: WCS S1: 14 Kespa: Parting, sOs, Flying, Rain, Flash, Innovation, Last, Fantasy, Roro, Soulkey, True, Shine, Crazy, soO 2013 S1: 5 Kespa: Parting, Innovation, TY, Soulkey, Roro 2012 S5: 7 Kespa: Rain, sOs, Bbyong, Bogus, Baby, Roro, Soulkey 2012 S4: 2 Kespa: Rain, Jaedong Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy. Yes Parting and Major are Kespa. No, MVP Nestea ForGG are not. How is this even debatable? Oh "training". HuK is Korean right? So EG-TL is Kespa now because of coach park right? Kespa just won WCS AM, good to know.
EG-TL aren't part of the Kespa organisation, so no.
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On June 06 2013 15:06 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 15:00 Caihead wrote:On June 06 2013 14:58 bittman wrote:On June 06 2013 14:36 Caihead wrote:On June 06 2013 13:18 Evil_Sheep wrote:On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote:
If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that. Next season, it will be between 16 and 18. Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process. On June 06 2013 12:58 Caihead wrote:On June 06 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote:On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote:
If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that. Next season, it will be between 16 and 18. Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process. I think you skipped a season somewhere in there 2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today. Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too. I'm afraid you're both wrong: WCS S1: 14 Kespa: Parting, sOs, Flying, Rain, Flash, Innovation, Last, Fantasy, Roro, Soulkey, True, Shine, Crazy, soO 2013 S1: 5 Kespa: Parting, Innovation, TY, Soulkey, Roro 2012 S5: 7 Kespa: Rain, sOs, Bbyong, Bogus, Baby, Roro, Soulkey 2012 S4: 2 Kespa: Rain, Jaedong Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy. Yes Parting and Major are Kespa. No, MVP Nestea ForGG are not. How is this even debatable? Oh "training". HuK is Korean right? So EG-TL is Kespa now because of coach park right? Kespa just won WCS AM, good to know. EG-TL aren't part of the Kespa organisation, so no. ???
But their coach which is what matters for a team is a legendary kespa coach. They are taking part in the Kespa team league instead of the ESF teamleague. HerO plays with kespa players more than ESF players. So ????
The whole argument is retarded. The only way to actually distinguish Kespa and ESF is if they only benefited from one majority party for their career. People who hop around and then get instantly referred to an organization when it's ambiguous whether they benefited from that organization is discrediting that person's hard work. Someone like Bogus or Flash is unambiguously Kespa. If you actually want to make a comparison between the training regiment, team environment or organizational environment or who influences their decision making you have to go to that basis and not look at in between. It's as silly as calling Yugioh a foreign player a week after he gets picked up and hasn't even left Korea yet.
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eSF is definitely worse than Kespa, not debatable. Non-Kespa might have a chance, because all the Korean mercenaries on foreign teams.
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Interesting start to the thread.
Hopefully some good games again tonight.
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United States97277 Posts
On June 06 2013 15:13 Laryleprakon wrote:
Interesting start to the thread.
Hopefully some good games again tonight.
could be a record start to the esf kespa debate in a thread. took 1 post after polls
if someone bribes me maybe i'll start it in the op next time
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On June 06 2013 15:11 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 15:06 bittman wrote:On June 06 2013 15:00 Caihead wrote:On June 06 2013 14:58 bittman wrote:On June 06 2013 14:36 Caihead wrote:On June 06 2013 13:18 Evil_Sheep wrote:On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote:
If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that. Next season, it will be between 16 and 18. Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process. On June 06 2013 12:58 Caihead wrote:On June 06 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote:On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote:
If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that. Next season, it will be between 16 and 18. Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process. I think you skipped a season somewhere in there 2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today. Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too. I'm afraid you're both wrong: WCS S1: 14 Kespa: Parting, sOs, Flying, Rain, Flash, Innovation, Last, Fantasy, Roro, Soulkey, True, Shine, Crazy, soO 2013 S1: 5 Kespa: Parting, Innovation, TY, Soulkey, Roro 2012 S5: 7 Kespa: Rain, sOs, Bbyong, Bogus, Baby, Roro, Soulkey 2012 S4: 2 Kespa: Rain, Jaedong Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy. Yes Parting and Major are Kespa. No, MVP Nestea ForGG are not. How is this even debatable? Oh "training". HuK is Korean right? So EG-TL is Kespa now because of coach park right? Kespa just won WCS AM, good to know. EG-TL aren't part of the Kespa organisation, so no. ??? But their coach which is what matters for a team is a legendary kespa coach. They are taking part in the Kespa team league instead of the ESF teamleague. HerO plays with kespa players more than ESF players. So ???? The whole argument is retarded. The only way to actually distinguish Kespa and ESF is if they only benefited from one majority party for their career. People who hop around and then get instantly referred to an organization when it's ambiguous whether they benefited from that organization is discrediting that person's hard work. Someone like Bogus or Flash is unambiguously Kespa. If you actually want to make a comparison between the training regiment, team environment or organizational environment or who influences their decision making you have to go to that basis and not look at in between. It's as silly as calling Yugioh a foreign player a week after he gets picked up and hasn't even left Korea yet.
Yeah I get the point, which is sort of why I ignore the potential for ambiguity by basically referencing people by their association. As an example: Yugioh is a Korean player on a foreign team. Innovation is a korean player on a kespa team. Major is a mexican player on a Kespa team. That's basically how I associate players for their identification.
Sort of just saying how it is should be...well how it is from my point of view haha. People call Parting Kespa, or not, because it's too long to type:
"13 South Korean Kespa players that have been trained by kespa and remain in kespa.
1 south korean kespa player that has been trained by both kespa + esf and went from kespa to esf to kespa."
So Parting's description is confusing regardless of how you want to sell it, and I'll keep saying he's "kespa" to shorten all that.
EDIT: Sorry if we're derailing here. We're not even arguing kespa vs esf as far as I'm aware, just the 'branding' that people apply.
Oh except some other fool tried to start that kespa vs esf thing. Ignore him.
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote:
If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close
I had a feeling that this group would be one of those again
I guess I'm fine with blowing off all that Kespa vs esf steam today instead of during the WCS finals.
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Canada16217 Posts
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On June 06 2013 14:36 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 13:18 Evil_Sheep wrote:On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote:
If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that. Next season, it will be between 16 and 18. Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process. On June 06 2013 12:58 Caihead wrote:On June 06 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote:On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote:
If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that. Next season, it will be between 16 and 18. Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process. I think you skipped a season somewhere in there 2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today. Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too. I'm afraid you're both wrong: WCS S1: 14 Kespa: Parting, sOs, Flying, Rain, Flash, Innovation, Last, Fantasy, Roro, Soulkey, True, Shine, Crazy, soO 2013 S1: 5 Kespa: Parting, Innovation, TY, Soulkey, Roro 2012 S5: 7 Kespa: Rain, sOs, Bbyong, Bogus, Baby, Roro, Soulkey 2012 S4: 2 Kespa: Rain, Jaedong Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy.
What a silly argument. You're a Kespa player if you currently play for a Kespa team, you're ESF if you currently play for an ESF team, end of story. Like, does that mean Parting and Squirtle are still Startale players? Are you still going to refer to Jarome Iginla as a Calgary Flames player? LeBron James as a Cav? Etc, etc.
You're on the team/organization you're currently a member of, anything else is horribly confused.
PS Parting was originally a Kespa player, according to your own logic, that means he was never ESF
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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On June 06 2013 16:40 Evil_Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 14:36 Caihead wrote:On June 06 2013 13:18 Evil_Sheep wrote:On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote:
If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that. Next season, it will be between 16 and 18. Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process. On June 06 2013 12:58 Caihead wrote:On June 06 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote:On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote:
If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that. Next season, it will be between 16 and 18. Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process. I think you skipped a season somewhere in there 2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today. Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too. I'm afraid you're both wrong: WCS S1: 14 Kespa: Parting, sOs, Flying, Rain, Flash, Innovation, Last, Fantasy, Roro, Soulkey, True, Shine, Crazy, soO 2013 S1: 5 Kespa: Parting, Innovation, TY, Soulkey, Roro 2012 S5: 7 Kespa: Rain, sOs, Bbyong, Bogus, Baby, Roro, Soulkey 2012 S4: 2 Kespa: Rain, Jaedong Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy. What a silly argument. You're a Kespa player if you currently play for a Kespa team, you're ESF if you currently play for an ESF team, end of story. Like, does that mean Parting and Squirtle are still Startale players? Are you still going to refer to Jarome Iginla as a Calgary Flames player? LeBron James as a Cav? Etc, etc. You're on the team/organization you're currently a member of, anything else is horribly confused. PS Parting was originally a Kespa player, according to your own logic, that means he was never ESF
The only actual legitimate reason to association kespa and ESF players is because that label means something because the regiment is so different between the two. And a career long association with one or the other was supposed to mean something. Only retards and fan boys actually think that just by labeling someone a label you would change that person's personal accomplishments. Labeling parting Kespa or ESF means nothing in terms of SC2 because unless you talk to him personally and ask him which organization he benefited most from or what it meant for him to train in kespa environment vs esf environment.
This whole shit started because BW veterans believed their training regiment and the heart of hard working players under the kespa banner were better players not necessarily result wise but in terms of work ethics and tradition. Here we had people who trained their asses off in strict environments, versus people who just stream for revenue and some who behaved like unprofessional hacks. And we thought it counted for something to be coming from the Kespa tradition, regardless of how much BW veterans had their own issues with Kespa. Then it spread to the forums where people just use it to label players to a team like it means anything, "oh this player was signed by a kespa team, guess that means he's automatically better!". It doesn't mean shit if you don't even know what you are talking about.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Byun kills everyone. Paralyze kills all but Byun xD
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On June 06 2013 16:52 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 16:40 Evil_Sheep wrote:On June 06 2013 14:36 Caihead wrote:On June 06 2013 13:18 Evil_Sheep wrote:On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote:
If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that. Next season, it will be between 16 and 18. Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process. On June 06 2013 12:58 Caihead wrote:On June 06 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote:On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote:
If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that. Next season, it will be between 16 and 18. Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process. I think you skipped a season somewhere in there 2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today. Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too. I'm afraid you're both wrong: WCS S1: 14 Kespa: Parting, sOs, Flying, Rain, Flash, Innovation, Last, Fantasy, Roro, Soulkey, True, Shine, Crazy, soO 2013 S1: 5 Kespa: Parting, Innovation, TY, Soulkey, Roro 2012 S5: 7 Kespa: Rain, sOs, Bbyong, Bogus, Baby, Roro, Soulkey 2012 S4: 2 Kespa: Rain, Jaedong Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy. What a silly argument. You're a Kespa player if you currently play for a Kespa team, you're ESF if you currently play for an ESF team, end of story. Like, does that mean Parting and Squirtle are still Startale players? Are you still going to refer to Jarome Iginla as a Calgary Flames player? LeBron James as a Cav? Etc, etc. You're on the team/organization you're currently a member of, anything else is horribly confused. PS Parting was originally a Kespa player, according to your own logic, that means he was never ESF Labeling parting Kespa or ESF means nothing in terms of SC2 because unless you talk to him personally and ask him which organization he benefited most from or what it meant for him to train in kespa environment vs esf environment
I have to admit I didn't ask Parting if he feels more like a ESF or Kespa when I made my little Kespa-ESF tally. I don't really know anything about all that touchy-feely stuff, all I know is that when I look at Liquipedia it tells me Parting was a SKT1 player in 2013 and that's good enough for me.
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On June 06 2013 16:52 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 16:40 Evil_Sheep wrote:On June 06 2013 14:36 Caihead wrote:On June 06 2013 13:18 Evil_Sheep wrote:On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote:
If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that. Next season, it will be between 16 and 18. Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process. On June 06 2013 12:58 Caihead wrote:On June 06 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote:On June 06 2013 12:44 YourHarry wrote:On June 06 2013 12:04 lichter wrote:
If 2 esf dudes make it out, it'll be 16 esf 16 kespa, which I find surprising. Didn't expect it to be that close There were 13 Kespa players last season. Only 7 the season before. And 2 before that. Next season, it will be between 16 and 18. Some of the Code S players are guaranteed to be back the following season. This makes player replacement a gradual process. I think you skipped a season somewhere in there 2012 Season 3 had 0 kespa, 4 had Rain and Jaedong. 5 had Rain Bbyong RorO sOs Bogus Baby Soulkey. 2013 Season 1 had Baby RorO Bogus Soukey. WCS Season 1 had Bogus RorO sOs Flash True Flying Fantasy Crazy soO Rain and Last WCS Season 2 going to have Bogus sOs Soulkey RorO Bbyong Flying Flash Hyvaa Rain soO Trap Shine Fantasy Savage Jangbi and who ever makes it out today. Unless you guys mean to count Challenger League / Code A too. I'm afraid you're both wrong: WCS S1: 14 Kespa: Parting, sOs, Flying, Rain, Flash, Innovation, Last, Fantasy, Roro, Soulkey, True, Shine, Crazy, soO 2013 S1: 5 Kespa: Parting, Innovation, TY, Soulkey, Roro 2012 S5: 7 Kespa: Rain, sOs, Bbyong, Bogus, Baby, Roro, Soulkey 2012 S4: 2 Kespa: Rain, Jaedong Parting doesn't count -_- So what MajOr is also Kespa? Idra is also Kespa because he was on CJ? You don't become kespa signing on and off, it's the entire training regiment from start to end. Unless everyone who's ever been in Kespa teams counts, in which case we should be counting MVP, Nestea, Forgg, etc etc etc. Counting challenger league is iffy. What a silly argument. You're a Kespa player if you currently play for a Kespa team, you're ESF if you currently play for an ESF team, end of story. Like, does that mean Parting and Squirtle are still Startale players? Are you still going to refer to Jarome Iginla as a Calgary Flames player? LeBron James as a Cav? Etc, etc. You're on the team/organization you're currently a member of, anything else is horribly confused. PS Parting was originally a Kespa player, according to your own logic, that means he was never ESF The only actual legitimate reason to association kespa and ESF players is because that label means something because the regiment is so different between the two. And a career long association with one or the other was supposed to mean something. Only retards and fan boys actually think that just by labeling someone a label you would change that person's personal accomplishments. Labeling parting Kespa or ESF means nothing in terms of SC2 because unless you talk to him personally and ask him which organization he benefited most from or what it meant for him to train in kespa environment vs esf environment.
Guess I'm a retard then  How does being in a different training regiment affect it? KeSPA is an organization that oversees e-sports, and in SC2 there are 7 teams. If you're in one of those teams you're "a KeSPA-player". It goes that way in every sports that is out there, you're just saying your own subjective opinion who's what. Same way if you play hockey in various junior leagues in NA and then 15 years in NHL, then transfer to KHL, you no longer are a NHL-player but a KHL-player. It doesn't revoke your history but your current status changes.
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Australia54785 Posts
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PuppyTerran + Curious plz
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Pre-Show Music (KPOP)
Taeyang - Where U At
(thanks to Darkn3ssFallz)
Davivhi - Just the Two of us
Sistar - Loving U
Girl's Generation - Dancing Queen
4Minute - What's Your Name
Rainbow - Tell Me Tell Me
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Sigh, I'm rebutting people who are labeling these players Kespa or ESF with an external justification (if a kespa player does well, it's supposed to support statement X, if a esf player does badly, it's also supposed to support statement X as well as Y. and so on.). I feel retarded even talking about it, so here's the bottom line of what I mean:
People are making posts with Kespa vs ESF player ratios in major tournaments as if it means something, and labeling players' most recent team as if that's the staple that we should judge him by. "Yugioh is foreign! Parting is Kespa!" I pointed out why just saying that a person represents Kespa or ESF doesn't mean shit unless you understand what it means to train under Kespa or ESF and which has actually affected you the most and in what way.
On that note go Effort, you better do well or I will never forgive you for winning that OSL from flash.
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