EPTOn June 06 2013 22:30 opterown wrote:
-ok i'll stop-
-ok i'll stop-
yeah and he even has that cute puppy. #byuntoadvance
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Hungary1025 Posts
yeah and he even has that cute puppy. #byuntoadvance | ||
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DeCoder
Finland236 Posts
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Gorribal
Canada186 Posts
On June 06 2013 22:29 SgtCoDFish wrote: No, bringing it up after it happens makes you look like an angry fanboy. And jumping to conclusions doesn't help either. Like I said, you'll convince no-one here. If you really feel strongly, make a thread in a couple of days when the dust has settled. I think in general you'll struggle to convince anyone, but hey, go ahead. To take a random example: when watching football (soccer) with my dad, he'll have angry outbursts to decisions he views as bad on the spot, but in a couple of days he'll see that the decision was correct even though it was against his team. Lol? CJ Entus is one my favorite teams. My Twitch handle is hitesparkyz and I don't even like MVP, who've had like 4 players now not succeed in the Up & Downs. But an unfair win for my player is just as bad as an unfair loss. Don't assume I'm doing this from some misguided fanboyism for Super. The problem of head to head tiebreakers persists no matter who advances. I just didn't know GSL used them until now. | ||
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Gorribal
Canada186 Posts
Implying I'm a troll because I think tiebreakers should be played when players are tied. Yea, you really insulted me bro. | ||
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energized
Croatia117 Posts
On June 06 2013 22:38 Gorribal wrote: Implying I'm a troll because I think tiebreakers should be played when players are tied. Yea, you really insulted me bro. Why would I insult you when people can just read your post instead. | ||
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Irre
United States646 Posts
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Gorribal
Canada186 Posts
On June 06 2013 22:39 energized wrote: Why would I insult you when people can just read your post instead. Oh good one. Such great veiled insults. Stings real hard bro. | ||
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
On June 06 2013 22:39 Irre wrote: So should it be sad marine or sad hellbat? :D how about sad reaper? No! grim reaper! We can form the Grim Reaper Club, at least it will sound cool :D | ||
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Bam Lee
2336 Posts
On June 06 2013 22:38 Gorribal wrote: Implying I'm a troll because I think tiebreakers should be played when players are tied. Yea, you really insulted me bro. How is it fair to the guy who already won head to head?? If both of them have the same score and he beat him 1v1 once already, there is no point in playing another match between both of them since he already beat him o.o On June 06 2013 22:47 scypio wrote: how about sad reaper? No! grim reaper! We can form the Grim Reaper Club, at least it will sound cool :D sad medivac! | ||
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
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slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
On June 06 2013 22:47 scypio wrote: how about sad reaper? No! grim reaper! We can form the Grim Reaper Club, at least it will sound cool :D And we can pretend Terrans don't whine/cry like the other races, just bear the pain  | ||
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Aphid
Australia87 Posts
On June 06 2013 23:22 Bam Lee wrote: How is it fair to the guy who already won head to head?? If both of them have the same score and he beat him 1v1 once already, there is no point in playing another match between both of them since he already beat him o.o A head to head victory is only 1 piece of information that indicates 1 player is stronger than the other. At the same time Paralyze was able to overcome an opponent (Curious, who came first) which Effort was unable to. This information would indicate Paralyze is stronger, if looked at in isolation. Looking at the overall win/loss record takes into account multiple results and gives a good measure of overall performance. Looking at head to head to determine the result seems like arbitrary data cherry picking. While I don’t think head to head is ideal, I accept it, as I see it exists not to be fair, but to be a practical solution to a time restriction. | ||
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Mensol
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7799 Posts
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
On June 06 2013 23:49 slowbacontron wrote: And we can pretend Terrans don't whine/cry like the other races, just bear the pain Yeah, I can picture it... a dirty building somewhere in a middle of a desert. Faded "Kaboom!" poster pinned on the wall. Old people drinking cheap beer. - you remember that day, 19th of May 2012? - yeah mate... I do... it was this guy over there - points at the poster. - Haha, you remember game 7? He did it... with a fucking 2-rax! The last terran Code S victory. - Good times, good times... | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On June 07 2013 00:01 RPR_Tempest wrote: Head to head is a great system that has been around for ages. Deal with it. There is literally nothing wrong with it and one guy complaining in a LR thread will change nothing. Try reading some other posts before jumping in with a massive generalisation and dismissing people who've actually given it some thought. The U&D tiebreak system is not a particularly fair way of doing it but if they don't want to run additional games, more often, then there's no truly fair way of breaking a tie. H2H works great in some formats but in this instance it doesn't. I'm happy Effort advanced but U&D's has always been a crapshoot with Bo1's and an arbitrary tiebreak method. On June 06 2013 23:50 Aphid wrote: A head to head victory is only 1 piece of information that indicates 1 player is stronger than the other. At the same time Paralyze was able to overcome an opponent (Curious, who came first) which Effort was unable to. This information would indicate Paralyze is stronger, if looked at in isolation. Looking at the overall win/loss record takes into account multiple results and gives a good measure of overall performance. Looking at head to head to determine the result seems like arbitrary data cherry picking. While I don’t think head to head is ideal, I accept it, as I see it exists not to be fair, but to be a practical solution to a time restriction. Great post | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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Kitaen
Austria466 Posts
14 zergs - 7 kespa 7 eSF 8 terrans - 4 kespa 4 eSF | ||
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dustinth
China205 Posts
On June 07 2013 00:41 Scarecrow wrote: Try reading some other posts before jumping in with a massive generalisation and dismissing people who've actually given it some thought. The U&D tiebreak system is not a particularly fair way of doing it but if they don't want to run additional games, more often, then there's no truly fair way of breaking a tie. H2H works great in some formats but in this instance it doesn't. I'm happy Effort advanced but U&D's has always been a crapshoot with Bo1's and an arbitrary tiebreak method. Great post I don't agree this argument, winning strongest player doesn't mean he is better since the strongest player may already advance, so as to winning weakest player in the group, I am not saying it's always the case, but it happens. That's the major reason why we only count H2H result when tiebreaking. It seems to me it's more fair. And I didn't see much difference between SC2 and other sports games from this perspective. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12610 Posts
On June 06 2013 23:50 Aphid wrote: A head to head victory is only 1 piece of information that indicates 1 player is stronger than the other. At the same time Paralyze was able to overcome an opponent (Curious, who came first) which Effort was unable to. This information would indicate Paralyze is stronger, if looked at in isolation. I know you're using fake logic to prove your point, but the fake logic you're using doesn't actually work. If Effort beats Byun and goes 3-1 instead of 2-2, there's no tiebreaker, but Paralyze has still beaten Curious. This information is relevant in the match-up between Curious and Paralyze, but that match-up doesn't (and shouldn't) matter here. A group's results are a combination of several good and bad results. You can't just look at one of the good results and tell "hey, this doesn't work, someone has one good result and yet he doesn't get through.", because on one side there's the good things he made and on the other there's the bad things he made, and they equalize. | ||
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