• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:00
CEST 07:00
KST 14:00
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun11[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists21[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches> WardiTV Spring Cup RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
Pros React To: Leta vs Tulbo (ASL S21, Ro.8) ASL21 General Discussion [TOOL] Starcraft Chat Translator JaeDong's ASL S21 Ro16 Post-Review Missed out on ASL tickets - what are my options?
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 1 ASL Season 21 LIVESTREAM with English Commentary [ASL21] Ro16 Group D
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2614 users

[WCS AM] Finals Day 1 Premier Season 1 2013 - Page 38

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 36 37 38 39 40 105 Next
NKexquisite
Profile Joined January 2009
United States911 Posts
June 01 2013 18:51 GMT
#741
Wait, they are playing on Cloud Kingdom still? Is it 2011? Someone pinch me.
Whattttt Upppppppp Im Nesteaaaaaa!!
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 01 2013 18:51 GMT
#742
On June 02 2013 03:51 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 03:48 Dinotramp wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:47 75 wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:46 Whatson wrote:
HerO's PvP ranges from being word-class amazing to terribad depending on the date


its PvP man ^^


He descirbed all PvP for everyone ever.

This is incorrect.
The best PvP players have always retained a level of consistency (Rain, PartinG, First, Squirtle) while the terrible are legitimately terrible (Oz)


Well, Oz did have by far the best PvP in the world, he just screwed himself by saying it out loud.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
freerolll
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Belgium1056 Posts
June 01 2013 18:52 GMT
#743
On June 02 2013 03:50 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Man I missed these guys. They're so good *_*

Now go go Alicia!~ Hwaiting!~~



Its funny it feels like they have been doing this everyday! they just have chemistry I guess.
Feels like 2 best friends that love sc2
Always give without remembering & always receive without forgetting.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
June 01 2013 18:52 GMT
#744
On June 02 2013 03:51 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 03:48 Dinotramp wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:47 75 wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:46 Whatson wrote:
HerO's PvP ranges from being word-class amazing to terribad depending on the date


its PvP man ^^


He descirbed all PvP for everyone ever.

This is incorrect.
The best PvP players have always retained a level of consistency (Rain, PartinG, First, Squirtle) while the terrible are legitimately terrible (Oz)


Oz was really good at PvP untill he said it was all about skill.
Community News
TL+ Member
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
June 01 2013 18:52 GMT
#745
On June 02 2013 03:51 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 03:48 Dinotramp wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:47 75 wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:46 Whatson wrote:
HerO's PvP ranges from being word-class amazing to terribad depending on the date


its PvP man ^^


He descirbed all PvP for everyone ever.

This is incorrect.
The best PvP players have always retained a level of consistency (Rain, PartinG, First, Squirtle) while the terrible are legitimately terrible (Oz)


Oz was the best pvp before he became the worst. Kinda contradicts your point.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 18:52:34
June 01 2013 18:52 GMT
#746
On June 02 2013 03:51 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 03:48 Dinotramp wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:47 75 wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:46 Whatson wrote:
HerO's PvP ranges from being word-class amazing to terribad depending on the date


its PvP man ^^


He descirbed all PvP for everyone ever.

This is incorrect.
The best PvP players have always retained a level of consistency (Rain, PartinG, First, Squirtle) while the terrible are legitimately terrible (Oz)

oz was really good once, as was inca, probably the two PvP beasts of their time
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
June 01 2013 18:53 GMT
#747
On June 02 2013 03:52 hitpoint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 03:51 Whatson wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:48 Dinotramp wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:47 75 wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:46 Whatson wrote:
HerO's PvP ranges from being word-class amazing to terribad depending on the date


its PvP man ^^


He descirbed all PvP for everyone ever.

This is incorrect.
The best PvP players have always retained a level of consistency (Rain, PartinG, First, Squirtle) while the terrible are legitimately terrible (Oz)


Oz was the best pvp before he became the worst. Kinda contradicts your point.

How does that contradict my point? Oz is terrible at PvP now that it's actually not all 4-gate vs 4-gate/blink all-ins
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 01 2013 18:53 GMT
#748
On June 02 2013 03:52 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 03:51 Whatson wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:48 Dinotramp wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:47 75 wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:46 Whatson wrote:
HerO's PvP ranges from being word-class amazing to terribad depending on the date


its PvP man ^^


He descirbed all PvP for everyone ever.

This is incorrect.
The best PvP players have always retained a level of consistency (Rain, PartinG, First, Squirtle) while the terrible are legitimately terrible (Oz)

oz was really good once, as was inca, probably the two PvP beasts of their time


Man, I remember. Inca would never ever lose a PvP series ever during his reign.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
June 01 2013 18:53 GMT
#749
yep that's the stuff man! WCS AM suppppp i am nearly crying here, it is really touching t.t
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 01 2013 18:53 GMT
#750
On June 02 2013 03:53 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 03:52 hitpoint wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:51 Whatson wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:48 Dinotramp wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:47 75 wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:46 Whatson wrote:
HerO's PvP ranges from being word-class amazing to terribad depending on the date


its PvP man ^^


He descirbed all PvP for everyone ever.

This is incorrect.
The best PvP players have always retained a level of consistency (Rain, PartinG, First, Squirtle) while the terrible are legitimately terrible (Oz)


Oz was the best pvp before he became the worst. Kinda contradicts your point.

How does that contradict my point? Oz is terrible at PvP now that it's actually not all 4-gate vs 4-gate/blink all-ins

but his PvP domination was never based on 4gate wars, and neither was inca's
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 18:55:10
June 01 2013 18:54 GMT
#751
On June 02 2013 03:53 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 03:52 hitpoint wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:51 Whatson wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:48 Dinotramp wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:47 75 wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:46 Whatson wrote:
HerO's PvP ranges from being word-class amazing to terribad depending on the date


its PvP man ^^


He descirbed all PvP for everyone ever.

This is incorrect.
The best PvP players have always retained a level of consistency (Rain, PartinG, First, Squirtle) while the terrible are legitimately terrible (Oz)


Oz was the best pvp before he became the worst. Kinda contradicts your point.

How does that contradict my point? Oz is terrible at PvP now that it's actually not all 4-gate vs 4-gate/blink all-ins


You've got your chronology wrong. Oz' PvP prowess was just a month before Squirtle's. MC was the 4gate era champion.

It was like

MC
Inca
Complete randomness for a long time
Oz
Squirtle/Creator/Parting
Rain
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
HystericaLaughter
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia720 Posts
June 01 2013 18:54 GMT
#752
On June 02 2013 03:51 garbanzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 03:49 HystericaLaughter wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:48 dcsoda wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:45 Zheryn wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:41 mememolly wrote:
man, moonglade deserved at least 1 game, played great


Uhm... Had he played great, he would have won. It was just another example of how outclassed he is by Ryung.


Outclassed? All three of those games were really close how is that being outclassed.


I agree that he was outclassed. Outclassed isn't synonymous with 'destroyed'. Moonglade played three excellent games but lost all three. That is the definition of outclassed.

That is not the definition of outclassed....
Show nested quote +
outclass [ˌaʊtˈklɑːs]
vb (tr)
1. to surpass in class, quality, etc.
2. to defeat easily


You don't think that he was 'surpassed in class, quality'? There are two rather different definitions there, I think the first one fits the situation perfectly
My wife for hire! - Zealot
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
June 01 2013 18:54 GMT
#753
On June 02 2013 03:53 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 03:52 hitpoint wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:51 Whatson wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:48 Dinotramp wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:47 75 wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:46 Whatson wrote:
HerO's PvP ranges from being word-class amazing to terribad depending on the date


its PvP man ^^


He descirbed all PvP for everyone ever.

This is incorrect.
The best PvP players have always retained a level of consistency (Rain, PartinG, First, Squirtle) while the terrible are legitimately terrible (Oz)


Oz was the best pvp before he became the worst. Kinda contradicts your point.

How does that contradict my point? Oz is terrible at PvP now that it's actually not all 4-gate vs 4-gate/blink all-ins



Because he was the best and then became bad very quickly. So that's the opposite of retaining consistency. You said the best pvpers have always retained consistency.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
June 01 2013 18:54 GMT
#754
On June 02 2013 03:54 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 03:53 Whatson wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:52 hitpoint wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:51 Whatson wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:48 Dinotramp wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:47 75 wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:46 Whatson wrote:
HerO's PvP ranges from being word-class amazing to terribad depending on the date


its PvP man ^^


He descirbed all PvP for everyone ever.

This is incorrect.
The best PvP players have always retained a level of consistency (Rain, PartinG, First, Squirtle) while the terrible are legitimately terrible (Oz)


Oz was the best pvp before he became the worst. Kinda contradicts your point.

How does that contradict my point? Oz is terrible at PvP now that it's actually not all 4-gate vs 4-gate/blink all-ins


You've got your chronology wrong. Oz' PvP prowess was just a month before Squirtle's. MC was the 4gate era champion.

Actually, Oz was well-known for his blink stalkers, he just never had a mid-game to fall-back on.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
June 01 2013 18:54 GMT
#755
I think there's been more arguing this LR thread than actual game talk T.T.
RookUK
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United Kingdom283 Posts
June 01 2013 18:55 GMT
#756
What an excellent interview.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 18:56:13
June 01 2013 18:55 GMT
#757
On June 02 2013 03:54 hitpoint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 03:53 Whatson wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:52 hitpoint wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:51 Whatson wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:48 Dinotramp wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:47 75 wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:46 Whatson wrote:
HerO's PvP ranges from being word-class amazing to terribad depending on the date


its PvP man ^^


He descirbed all PvP for everyone ever.

This is incorrect.
The best PvP players have always retained a level of consistency (Rain, PartinG, First, Squirtle) while the terrible are legitimately terrible (Oz)


Oz was the best pvp before he became the worst. Kinda contradicts your point.

How does that contradict my point? Oz is terrible at PvP now that it's actually not all 4-gate vs 4-gate/blink all-ins



Because he was the best and then became bad very quickly. So that's the opposite of retaining consistency. You said the best pvpers have always retained consistency.

And Oz hasn't exactly been consistent, so he's obviously not one of the best PvP players is he...
There are always people who do well at time in PvP, even HuK had his time, as did Seed, HerO, etc, they're all gone
¯\_(シ)_/¯
dcsoda
Profile Joined June 2011
United States583 Posts
June 01 2013 18:55 GMT
#758
On June 02 2013 03:54 HystericaLaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 03:51 garbanzo wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:49 HystericaLaughter wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:48 dcsoda wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:45 Zheryn wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:41 mememolly wrote:
man, moonglade deserved at least 1 game, played great


Uhm... Had he played great, he would have won. It was just another example of how outclassed he is by Ryung.


Outclassed? All three of those games were really close how is that being outclassed.


I agree that he was outclassed. Outclassed isn't synonymous with 'destroyed'. Moonglade played three excellent games but lost all three. That is the definition of outclassed.

That is not the definition of outclassed....
outclass [ˌaʊtˈklɑːs]
vb (tr)
1. to surpass in class, quality, etc.
2. to defeat easily


You don't think that he was 'surpassed in class, quality'? There are two rather different definitions there, I think the first one fits the situation perfectly


The games were extremely close so no it doesn't. The second definition applies to a game and it didn't happen that series
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
June 01 2013 18:56 GMT
#759
What a great interview, really enjoyed it.
Dinotramp
Profile Joined August 2012
Nauru2871 Posts
June 01 2013 18:56 GMT
#760
On June 02 2013 03:54 ssxsilver wrote:
I think there's been more arguing this LR thread than actual game talk T.T.


There always is for the WCS AM region
RIP Starcraft scene in the UK. Defeated by EG money and Swedish Zergs.
Prev 1 36 37 38 39 40 105 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 1m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 221
ProTech124
Nina 79
ROOTCatZ 74
StarCraft: Brood War
Mind 409
Pusan 49
Bale 18
ZergMaN 8
Icarus 5
Light 0
Dota 2
monkeys_forever705
NeuroSwarm223
League of Legends
JimRising 707
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1057
Other Games
summit1g7405
C9.Mang0557
WinterStarcraft421
ViBE16
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick607
BasetradeTV191
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream110
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1011
• Stunt361
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 1m
Escore
5h 1m
INu's Battles
6h 1m
Classic vs ByuN
SHIN vs ByuN
OSC
8h 1m
Big Brain Bouts
11h 1m
Replay Cast
19h 1m
Replay Cast
1d 4h
RSL Revival
1d 5h
Classic vs GgMaChine
Rogue vs Maru
WardiTV Invitational
1d 6h
IPSL
1d 11h
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
[ Show More ]
BSL
1d 14h
Replay Cast
1d 19h
RSL Revival
2 days
herO vs TriGGeR
NightMare vs Solar
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL
2 days
IPSL
2 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Patches Events
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
GSL
5 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
6 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-29
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.