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On May 29 2013 22:57 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 22:56 eGoRama wrote:On May 29 2013 22:50 ZenithM wrote:On May 29 2013 22:47 largehadroncollider wrote:this thread has been won. let's all drink  Not really, we're just making awkward light-hearted jokes to cover the eSF vs Kespa debacle. In fact it's just Denial, the first of the Five Stages of Grief. I'll skip right ahead of you guys and go straight to Acceptance: KESPAAAAAAAA!!!!111111 This is not fair, you skipped the fun part - Depression You mean, what's waiting for me tomorrow for U/D Group C? If I could just skip that moment 
Because of MKP or I am missing something else?
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On May 29 2013 22:58 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 22:57 ZenithM wrote:On May 29 2013 22:56 eGoRama wrote:On May 29 2013 22:50 ZenithM wrote:On May 29 2013 22:47 largehadroncollider wrote:this thread has been won. let's all drink Not really, we're just making awkward light-hearted jokes to cover the eSF vs Kespa debacle. In fact it's just Denial, the first of the Five Stages of Grief. I'll skip right ahead of you guys and go straight to Acceptance: KESPAAAAAAAA!!!!111111 This is not fair, you skipped the fun part - Depression You mean, what's waiting for me tomorrow for U/D Group C? If I could just skip that moment aw crap mkp is playing tomorrow ;;
Bunny > Mkp
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On May 29 2013 23:00 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 22:58 opterown wrote:On May 29 2013 22:57 ZenithM wrote:On May 29 2013 22:56 eGoRama wrote:On May 29 2013 22:50 ZenithM wrote:On May 29 2013 22:47 largehadroncollider wrote:this thread has been won. let's all drink Not really, we're just making awkward light-hearted jokes to cover the eSF vs Kespa debacle. In fact it's just Denial, the first of the Five Stages of Grief. I'll skip right ahead of you guys and go straight to Acceptance: KESPAAAAAAAA!!!!111111 This is not fair, you skipped the fun part - Depression You mean, what's waiting for me tomorrow for U/D Group C? If I could just skip that moment aw crap mkp is playing tomorrow ;; Bunny > Mkp
dw MKP is clearly the superior player because he was on a kespa team before bunny was
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On May 29 2013 23:01 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 23:00 lichter wrote:On May 29 2013 22:58 opterown wrote:On May 29 2013 22:57 ZenithM wrote:On May 29 2013 22:56 eGoRama wrote:On May 29 2013 22:50 ZenithM wrote:On May 29 2013 22:47 largehadroncollider wrote:this thread has been won. let's all drink Not really, we're just making awkward light-hearted jokes to cover the eSF vs Kespa debacle. In fact it's just Denial, the first of the Five Stages of Grief. I'll skip right ahead of you guys and go straight to Acceptance: KESPAAAAAAAA!!!!111111 This is not fair, you skipped the fun part - Depression You mean, what's waiting for me tomorrow for U/D Group C? If I could just skip that moment aw crap mkp is playing tomorrow ;; Bunny > Mkp dw MKP is clearly the superior player because he was on a kespa team before bunny was
Only way Mkp > Bunny is if he changes his name to something cuter, like AdorablePuppyKingPrime
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On May 29 2013 22:50 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 22:39 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:26 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:19 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:15 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 21:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 21:00 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:53 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:49 eGoRama wrote:On May 29 2013 20:46 HolyArrow wrote:
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The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples. Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about. You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything. Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved. What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue. Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight. I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong. That's a terrible analogy. It'd be more like one drunk kid running into an AA meeting and yelling nonsense. Then most of the meeting decides to get drunk and yell about how stupid the kid is. I fail to see how it's a terrible analogy. Its bottom line is so simplistic I'm surprised you missed it. And you say I fail at logic... equating seeing one troll post on a forum to being hit in the face is just ridiculous. If you go out of your way to tell a crazy person about how their opinion is idiotic when you could easily ignore it, then yes, you're responsible for the ensuing conflict. You're still missing it. The bottom line was that just as it takes two people to argue, it takes two people to fight, and to blame retaliator for starting everything is ridiculous. People like BlazeFury and you are parts of the problem because between a. Asshats doing shit posting and b. People who just want to enjoy games but are sick of seeing shit posting and thus respond in hopes of drawing attention to the displeasure the original shit posting causes you'd rather blame b rather than a for the whole mess. Your philosophy seems to be that if you ignore shit posters, they'll go away, but in my experience on forums, that's never really been the case. It's better to respond to them to draw even more attention to the problem so eventually something will actually be done about it. If no one voices their displeasure then everyone gets complacent and nothing changes. Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 22:42 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 22:15 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 21:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 21:00 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:53 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:49 eGoRama wrote:On May 29 2013 20:46 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:38 eGoRama wrote:On May 29 2013 20:36 Acer1791 wrote:
ok his post is strongly biased, but lets be honest, kespa players seem to be overall the better ones right now.
there are a few top esf players who are on par maybe, but in generell kespa > esf ( i think everyone can agree on that) So? Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games? The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples. Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about. You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything. Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved. What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue. Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight. I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong. The fact that you cannot even come up with a proper analogy is evidence that you shouldn't be trying to counter argue. Punching somebody in the face is physical harm that can lead to injury which is why it cannot be ignored and will result in self defense (hence me punch you back). You don't receive physical harm by ignoring a post online. I cannot believe you actually attempted to compare the two. Wrong. You can ignore it by running away, instead of fighting back. But that aside, the funny thing is that I anticipated exactly this sort of response from you, hence my personal acknowledgment of how my analogy is hardly perfect. But like I said, it's enough to communicate my issue with how somehow "it takes two people to argue" is your justification for blaming the responding party rather than the party being responded to.
While, you can ignore the fight by running away (assuming you don't pursue) the physical damage has already been done. Also, you acknowledged that your analogy isn't perfect because you yourself realize that you don't have any foundation for a counter argument. Once again, there is no physical harm in ignoring a forum post, therefore the two scenarios cannot be compared. Think of the first poster as the fire and the responder as the fuel. Mix the two and what do you get?
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On May 29 2013 23:16 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 22:50 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:39 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:26 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:19 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:15 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 21:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 21:00 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:53 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:49 eGoRama wrote:
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Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about. You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything. Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved. What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue. Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight. I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong. That's a terrible analogy. It'd be more like one drunk kid running into an AA meeting and yelling nonsense. Then most of the meeting decides to get drunk and yell about how stupid the kid is. I fail to see how it's a terrible analogy. Its bottom line is so simplistic I'm surprised you missed it. And you say I fail at logic... equating seeing one troll post on a forum to being hit in the face is just ridiculous. If you go out of your way to tell a crazy person about how their opinion is idiotic when you could easily ignore it, then yes, you're responsible for the ensuing conflict. You're still missing it. The bottom line was that just as it takes two people to argue, it takes two people to fight, and to blame retaliator for starting everything is ridiculous. People like BlazeFury and you are parts of the problem because between a. Asshats doing shit posting and b. People who just want to enjoy games but are sick of seeing shit posting and thus respond in hopes of drawing attention to the displeasure the original shit posting causes you'd rather blame b rather than a for the whole mess. Your philosophy seems to be that if you ignore shit posters, they'll go away, but in my experience on forums, that's never really been the case. It's better to respond to them to draw even more attention to the problem so eventually something will actually be done about it. If no one voices their displeasure then everyone gets complacent and nothing changes. On May 29 2013 22:42 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 22:15 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 21:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 21:00 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:53 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:49 eGoRama wrote:On May 29 2013 20:46 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:38 eGoRama wrote:
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So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games? The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples. Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about. You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything. Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved. What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue. Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight. I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong. The fact that you cannot even come up with a proper analogy is evidence that you shouldn't be trying to counter argue. Punching somebody in the face is physical harm that can lead to injury which is why it cannot be ignored and will result in self defense (hence me punch you back). You don't receive physical harm by ignoring a post online. I cannot believe you actually attempted to compare the two. Wrong. You can ignore it by running away, instead of fighting back. But that aside, the funny thing is that I anticipated exactly this sort of response from you, hence my personal acknowledgment of how my analogy is hardly perfect. But like I said, it's enough to communicate my issue with how somehow "it takes two people to argue" is your justification for blaming the responding party rather than the party being responded to. While, you can ignore the fight by running away (assuming you don't pursue) the physical damage has already been done. Also, you acknowledged that your analogy isn't perfect because you yourself realize that you don't have any foundation for a counter argument. Once again, there is no physical harm in ignoring a forum post, therefore the two scenarios cannot be compared. Think of the first poster as the fire and the responder as the fuel. Mix the two and what do you get?
Haha, this argument could go on and on, just as any argument on the internet can, but I'd rather stop wasting both our time.
In closing, I'd like to point something out.
-this argument is stupid and going nowhere, essentially polluting the LR thread, which is why I'd like to stop
-you initially criticized me for responding to ESF baiters and contributing to LR thread pollution
Hmm....
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On May 29 2013 23:16 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 22:50 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:39 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:26 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:19 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:15 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 21:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 21:00 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:53 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:49 eGoRama wrote:
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Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about. You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything. Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved. What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue. Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight. I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong. That's a terrible analogy. It'd be more like one drunk kid running into an AA meeting and yelling nonsense. Then most of the meeting decides to get drunk and yell about how stupid the kid is. I fail to see how it's a terrible analogy. Its bottom line is so simplistic I'm surprised you missed it. And you say I fail at logic... equating seeing one troll post on a forum to being hit in the face is just ridiculous. If you go out of your way to tell a crazy person about how their opinion is idiotic when you could easily ignore it, then yes, you're responsible for the ensuing conflict. You're still missing it. The bottom line was that just as it takes two people to argue, it takes two people to fight, and to blame retaliator for starting everything is ridiculous. People like BlazeFury and you are parts of the problem because between a. Asshats doing shit posting and b. People who just want to enjoy games but are sick of seeing shit posting and thus respond in hopes of drawing attention to the displeasure the original shit posting causes you'd rather blame b rather than a for the whole mess. Your philosophy seems to be that if you ignore shit posters, they'll go away, but in my experience on forums, that's never really been the case. It's better to respond to them to draw even more attention to the problem so eventually something will actually be done about it. If no one voices their displeasure then everyone gets complacent and nothing changes. On May 29 2013 22:42 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 22:15 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 21:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 21:00 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:53 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:49 eGoRama wrote:On May 29 2013 20:46 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:38 eGoRama wrote:
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So?
Who cares who is better and who is not, can ppl just enjoy the games? The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples. Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about. You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything. Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved. What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue. Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight. I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong. The fact that you cannot even come up with a proper analogy is evidence that you shouldn't be trying to counter argue. Punching somebody in the face is physical harm that can lead to injury which is why it cannot be ignored and will result in self defense (hence me punch you back). You don't receive physical harm by ignoring a post online. I cannot believe you actually attempted to compare the two. Wrong. You can ignore it by running away, instead of fighting back. But that aside, the funny thing is that I anticipated exactly this sort of response from you, hence my personal acknowledgment of how my analogy is hardly perfect. But like I said, it's enough to communicate my issue with how somehow "it takes two people to argue" is your justification for blaming the responding party rather than the party being responded to. While, you can ignore the fight by running away (assuming you don't pursue) the physical damage has already been done. Also, you acknowledged that your analogy isn't perfect because you yourself realize that you don't have any foundation for a counter argument. Once again, there is no physical harm in ignoring a forum post, therefore the two scenarios cannot be compared. Think of the first poster as the fire and the responder as the fuel. Mix the two and what do you get?
Gimme fuel, gimme fire - obviously Metallica
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On May 29 2013 23:30 eGoRama wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 23:16 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 22:50 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:39 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:26 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:19 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:15 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 21:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 21:00 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:53 Scarecrow wrote:
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For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about. You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything. Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved. What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue. Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight. I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong. That's a terrible analogy. It'd be more like one drunk kid running into an AA meeting and yelling nonsense. Then most of the meeting decides to get drunk and yell about how stupid the kid is. I fail to see how it's a terrible analogy. Its bottom line is so simplistic I'm surprised you missed it. And you say I fail at logic... equating seeing one troll post on a forum to being hit in the face is just ridiculous. If you go out of your way to tell a crazy person about how their opinion is idiotic when you could easily ignore it, then yes, you're responsible for the ensuing conflict. You're still missing it. The bottom line was that just as it takes two people to argue, it takes two people to fight, and to blame retaliator for starting everything is ridiculous. People like BlazeFury and you are parts of the problem because between a. Asshats doing shit posting and b. People who just want to enjoy games but are sick of seeing shit posting and thus respond in hopes of drawing attention to the displeasure the original shit posting causes you'd rather blame b rather than a for the whole mess. Your philosophy seems to be that if you ignore shit posters, they'll go away, but in my experience on forums, that's never really been the case. It's better to respond to them to draw even more attention to the problem so eventually something will actually be done about it. If no one voices their displeasure then everyone gets complacent and nothing changes. On May 29 2013 22:42 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 22:15 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 21:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 21:00 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:53 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:49 eGoRama wrote:On May 29 2013 20:46 HolyArrow wrote:
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The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples. Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about. You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything. Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved. What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue. Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight. I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong. The fact that you cannot even come up with a proper analogy is evidence that you shouldn't be trying to counter argue. Punching somebody in the face is physical harm that can lead to injury which is why it cannot be ignored and will result in self defense (hence me punch you back). You don't receive physical harm by ignoring a post online. I cannot believe you actually attempted to compare the two. Wrong. You can ignore it by running away, instead of fighting back. But that aside, the funny thing is that I anticipated exactly this sort of response from you, hence my personal acknowledgment of how my analogy is hardly perfect. But like I said, it's enough to communicate my issue with how somehow "it takes two people to argue" is your justification for blaming the responding party rather than the party being responded to. While, you can ignore the fight by running away (assuming you don't pursue) the physical damage has already been done. Also, you acknowledged that your analogy isn't perfect because you yourself realize that you don't have any foundation for a counter argument. Once again, there is no physical harm in ignoring a forum post, therefore the two scenarios cannot be compared. Think of the first poster as the fire and the responder as the fuel. Mix the two and what do you get? Gimme fuel, gimme fire - obviously Metallica
Metallica haven't been half decent since SC Vanilla
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On May 29 2013 23:28 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 23:16 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 22:50 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:39 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:26 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:19 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:15 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 21:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 21:00 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:53 Scarecrow wrote:
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For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about. You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything. Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved. What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue. Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight. I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong. That's a terrible analogy. It'd be more like one drunk kid running into an AA meeting and yelling nonsense. Then most of the meeting decides to get drunk and yell about how stupid the kid is. I fail to see how it's a terrible analogy. Its bottom line is so simplistic I'm surprised you missed it. And you say I fail at logic... equating seeing one troll post on a forum to being hit in the face is just ridiculous. If you go out of your way to tell a crazy person about how their opinion is idiotic when you could easily ignore it, then yes, you're responsible for the ensuing conflict. You're still missing it. The bottom line was that just as it takes two people to argue, it takes two people to fight, and to blame retaliator for starting everything is ridiculous. People like BlazeFury and you are parts of the problem because between a. Asshats doing shit posting and b. People who just want to enjoy games but are sick of seeing shit posting and thus respond in hopes of drawing attention to the displeasure the original shit posting causes you'd rather blame b rather than a for the whole mess. Your philosophy seems to be that if you ignore shit posters, they'll go away, but in my experience on forums, that's never really been the case. It's better to respond to them to draw even more attention to the problem so eventually something will actually be done about it. If no one voices their displeasure then everyone gets complacent and nothing changes. On May 29 2013 22:42 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 22:15 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 21:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 21:00 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:53 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:49 eGoRama wrote:On May 29 2013 20:46 HolyArrow wrote:
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The thing is that some Kespa > ESF gloaters are big BW fans who are apparently still butthurt that the BW scene ended, largely in part due to SC2, so their way of coping is to pollute threads with their baiting (this isn't unfounded speculation on my part - I've seen some posters explicitly and unabashedly admit that they're doing this to piss people off). To be clear, I don't mean in any way to generalize and accuse all BW fans of doing this because most of them are cool, reasonable people, but there are certainly a few bad apples. Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about. You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything. Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved. What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue. Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight. I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong. The fact that you cannot even come up with a proper analogy is evidence that you shouldn't be trying to counter argue. Punching somebody in the face is physical harm that can lead to injury which is why it cannot be ignored and will result in self defense (hence me punch you back). You don't receive physical harm by ignoring a post online. I cannot believe you actually attempted to compare the two. Wrong. You can ignore it by running away, instead of fighting back. But that aside, the funny thing is that I anticipated exactly this sort of response from you, hence my personal acknowledgment of how my analogy is hardly perfect. But like I said, it's enough to communicate my issue with how somehow "it takes two people to argue" is your justification for blaming the responding party rather than the party being responded to. While, you can ignore the fight by running away (assuming you don't pursue) the physical damage has already been done. Also, you acknowledged that your analogy isn't perfect because you yourself realize that you don't have any foundation for a counter argument. Once again, there is no physical harm in ignoring a forum post, therefore the two scenarios cannot be compared. Think of the first poster as the fire and the responder as the fuel. Mix the two and what do you get? Haha, this argument could go on and on, just as any argument on the internet can, but I'd rather stop wasting both our time. In closing, I'd like to point something out. -this argument is stupid and going nowhere, essentially polluting the LR thread, which is why I'd like to stop -you initially criticized me for responding to ESF baiters and contributing to LR thread pollution Hmm....
Which proves my statement correct - it wasn't an "argument" until you "responded" lol. When and where did I directly criticize you personally? I simply disagreed with a statement of yours.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36919 Posts
On May 29 2013 21:38 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 21:30 lichter wrote:
I wonder what would happen if we all go on strike from doing LRs until this shit is kept out of LR threads (and kept in threads dedicated for this argument instead).
eh i don't want it to ever come to that (although to be honest all it would take is for me to go afk on LR-premaking and calendar management rofl). that would unreasonably punish all the true fans. the baiters just come in after the results are done and spout whatever nonsensical crap they have
Don't be so cocky 
Other people know how to do this stuff too you know.
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On May 29 2013 22:55 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 22:50 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:39 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:26 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:19 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 22:15 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 21:45 BlazeFury01 wrote:On May 29 2013 21:00 HolyArrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:53 Scarecrow wrote:On May 29 2013 20:49 eGoRama wrote:
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Yep I know that, I am just amused how no matter what is going on, instead of talking about the games/strategy/plays the topic is changed to Kespa vs eSF bullcrap. Like every time For how much you and others say you hate this bullcrap, you and your fellow anti-kespa vs esf'ers have produced well over half the Kespa vs ESF related posts in this thread. Ignore the odd Kespa!!!! and stop drowning this thread in more of the shit you're complaining about. You realize that your line of reasoning is flawed because it essentially incriminates you as well? It's the exact same pattern every time. Shitposting -> responses to shitposting criticizing said shitposting -> that one guy responding to the responses to the shitposting, criticizing said responses In the end, it's the original shitposting to blame for starting everything. Actually it's the person who responds to the trash posting because then it gives the trash poster motive to reply which then starts an argument and encourages others to get involved. What's an argument with only one person? Exactly, it takes two people to argue. Okay, so if I punched you in the face and you fought back, you'd be the one who started the fight because it takes two people to have a fight. I realize that this analogy isn't perfect, but it should suffice for communicating why I think you're wrong. That's a terrible analogy. It'd be more like one drunk kid running into an AA meeting and yelling nonsense. Then most of the meeting decides to get drunk and yell about how stupid the kid is. I fail to see how it's a terrible analogy. Its bottom line is so simplistic I'm surprised you missed it. And you say I fail at logic... equating seeing one troll post on a forum to being hit in the face is just ridiculous. If you go out of your way to tell a crazy person about how their opinion is idiotic when you could easily ignore it, then yes, you're responsible for the ensuing conflict. You're still missing it. The bottom line was that just as it takes two people to argue, it takes two people to fight, and to blame retaliator for starting everything is ridiculous. People like BlazeFury and you are parts of the problem because between a. Asshats doing shit posting and b. People who just want to enjoy games but are sick of seeing shit posting and thus respond in hopes of drawing attention to the displeasure the original shit posting causes you'd rather blame b rather than a for the whole mess. Your philosophy seems to be that if you ignore shit posters, they'll go away, but in my experience on forums, that's never really been the case. It's better to respond to them to draw even more attention to the problem so eventually something will actually be done about it. If no one voices their displeasure then everyone gets complacent and nothing changes. There will always be shit posters, hit the report button and move on. Engaging with them is what makes the mess.
Now, that is reasonable advice. Though it might backfire 
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Australia54783 Posts
On May 29 2013 23:44 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 21:38 opterown wrote:On May 29 2013 21:30 lichter wrote:
I wonder what would happen if we all go on strike from doing LRs until this shit is kept out of LR threads (and kept in threads dedicated for this argument instead).
eh i don't want it to ever come to that (although to be honest all it would take is for me to go afk on LR-premaking and calendar management rofl). that would unreasonably punish all the true fans. the baiters just come in after the results are done and spout whatever nonsensical crap they have Don't be so cocky Other people know how to do this stuff too you know.
you know it's true
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Kespa takes another spot in next season's Code S!!!
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On May 29 2013 21:22 edgeOut wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 21:20 Dodgin wrote:On May 29 2013 21:15 edgeOut wrote:
This is not Starcraft anymore, this is Politics, so you got to play rough. You better pick a side, or you will get killed in crossfire. TL should introduce some kind of Political label alongside with the team logo.
No I'm pretty sure It's Starcraft This thread sure looks like Politics. eSF side is Democrat playing soft nicer Politics, and KeSPA baiters are Republicans playing hard unreasonable politics. Popularity is on Democrat side, but Republicans are more relentless.
Uhh... Can't it be the other way around?
+ Show Spoiler +We are currently winning after all.
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LOL. Ten fucking pages of eSF vs. KeSPA. These LR's are getting too predictable!
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Austria24417 Posts
On May 30 2013 01:01 ThePrince wrote:
LOL. Ten fucking pages of eSF vs. KeSPA. These LR's are getting too predictable!
Hey, I bet you didn't see the 3-4 Innovation =|= Bogus pages coming!
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On May 30 2013 01:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 01:01 ThePrince wrote:
LOL. Ten fucking pages of eSF vs. KeSPA. These LR's are getting too predictable! Hey, I bet you didn't see the 3-4 Innovation =|= Bogus pages coming!
Yeah lol. eSF vs. KeSPA followed by Innovation =|= Bogus. Wonderful productive discussions hehe.
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Surprised Savage managed to beat Yoda for 2nd, didnt think Savage was a good player.
Crazy how there's actually a very good chance next season with only 1 LG-IM player in the WCS.
Always used to seeing 5-6 of them in there.
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