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On May 12 2013 17:31 opterown wrote: most amusing to see flash fanboys trying to bash on bogus
most amusing seeing forum veterans vastly inflating "fanboys" everytime ONE person says anything.
Seriously guys knock it off you are even more annoying because it sounds pompous and superficial.
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Innovation and Flash are very similar as players. They are the most complete form of Terran we've seen since the beginning of SC2, both being the best as far as Terrans go in a multitude of gameplay aspects, such as mechanical proficiency, overall multitasking, decision making and game sense, defensive and offensive capabilities, mental stability, etc.. I would say Innovation is a bit more on the offensive side of things: he cheeses and goes for timing attacks more than Flash, while Flash retains his BW style of perfect defense to back up consistently "greedy" play.
Saying that one is way better than the other because of a Bo1 or even a GSL Bo3 is almost disrespectful when you see how far they both are of their Terran counterparts :D
I'm just glad we somehow got 2 Terran monsters out of Kespa, while the rest looks fairly weak. I like to think of them as "Mvp Mk II" (for "Mark", not MKP related :p). Mvp was very complete as well in 2011 but the competition was weaker than it is currently and looking back, Mvp was most likely not as overall skilled as these two.
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On May 12 2013 17:44 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 17:31 opterown wrote: most amusing to see flash fanboys trying to bash on bogus most amusing seeing forum veterans vastly inflating "fanboys" everytime ONE person says anything. Seriously guys knock it off you are even more annoying because it sounds pompous and superficial.
yeah they're so high up there, we are helpless.
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opterown
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On May 12 2013 17:44 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 17:31 opterown wrote: most amusing to see flash fanboys trying to bash on bogus most amusing seeing forum veterans vastly inflating "fanboys" everytime ONE person says anything. Seriously guys knock it off you are even more annoying because it sounds pompous and superficial. how is it exactly pompous and superficial?
tell me, when you see posts like this
On May 12 2013 17:08 grungust wrote: Innovation is getting so overrated it's beginning to be hilarious. Good job Flash.
On May 12 2013 17:12 p14c wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 17:10 aviator116 wrote:On May 12 2013 17:08 grungust wrote: Innovation is getting so overrated it's beginning to be hilarious. Good job Flash. How so? People were saying he's having much better TvT than Flash but they forget that many of Innovations wins were all-ins/ cheeses. The chances for Innovation to win a macro game vs Flash are very low to be honest. they seem like rather lame attempts to bash bogus after a loss
i'm sure you recognise that flash fans are often some of the more passionate ones that can get... caught up in the moment
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where can i find the vods please? ![](/mirror/smilies/frown.gif)
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On May 12 2013 17:52 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 17:44 Caihead wrote:On May 12 2013 17:31 opterown wrote: most amusing to see flash fanboys trying to bash on bogus most amusing seeing forum veterans vastly inflating "fanboys" everytime ONE person says anything. Seriously guys knock it off you are even more annoying because it sounds pompous and superficial. how is it exactly pompous and superficial? tell me, when you see posts like this Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 17:08 grungust wrote: Innovation is getting so overrated it's beginning to be hilarious. Good job Flash. Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 17:12 p14c wrote:On May 12 2013 17:10 aviator116 wrote:On May 12 2013 17:08 grungust wrote: Innovation is getting so overrated it's beginning to be hilarious. Good job Flash. How so? People were saying he's having much better TvT than Flash but they forget that many of Innovations wins were all-ins/ cheeses. The chances for Innovation to win a macro game vs Flash are very low to be honest. they seem like rather lame attempts to bash bogus after a loss i'm sure you recognise that flash fans are often some of the more passionate ones that can get... caught up in the moment
You of all people know that so called fanboys are either trolls with the intent of soliciting reaction from frequent browsers such as yourself, or idiots who are beyond saving, best solution is to ignore them. Lumping everyone who say positive things about a player to be fanboys is really annoying.
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On May 12 2013 17:53 NanowaX wrote:where can i find the vods please? ![](/mirror/smilies/frown.gif) http://www.youtube.com/user/ESportsTV/videos
I think that they are not uploaded yet, at least, not all of them. But all VODs of the Proleague are uploaded there.
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On May 12 2013 17:52 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 17:44 Caihead wrote:On May 12 2013 17:31 opterown wrote: most amusing to see flash fanboys trying to bash on bogus most amusing seeing forum veterans vastly inflating "fanboys" everytime ONE person says anything. Seriously guys knock it off you are even more annoying because it sounds pompous and superficial. how is it exactly pompous and superficial? tell me, when you see posts like this Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 17:08 grungust wrote: Innovation is getting so overrated it's beginning to be hilarious. Good job Flash. Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 17:12 p14c wrote:On May 12 2013 17:10 aviator116 wrote:On May 12 2013 17:08 grungust wrote: Innovation is getting so overrated it's beginning to be hilarious. Good job Flash. How so? People were saying he's having much better TvT than Flash but they forget that many of Innovations wins were all-ins/ cheeses. The chances for Innovation to win a macro game vs Flash are very low to be honest. they seem like rather lame attempts to bash bogus after a loss i'm sure you recognise that flash fans are often some of the more passionate ones that can get... caught up in the moment
But opterown don't you know that losing a Bo1 to a player of similar calibre means you got COMPLETELY OUTCLASSED and are really bad?
Yeah laughing at dumbasses is great, making sweeping generalizations not so much.
I'd also like to point out how a certain someone can't handle being told about Prime doing poorly, even when they objectively very much are. So let's not start on "fanboys" shall we
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opterown
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you guys are misreading what i am trying to say, i am not saying [most amusing to see flash fanboys, bashing on bogus] i am saying [most amusing to see "flash fanboys bashing on bogus"]
there's a small bit important difference, i was not not aiming at all flash fanboys but the specific ones bashing lol
and MoP shut it with the snideness, it's not becoming. there was this recent incident...
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On May 12 2013 17:59 opterown wrote: you guys are misreading what i am trying to say, i am not saying [most amusing to see flash fanboys, bashing on bogus] i am saying [most amusing to see "flash fanboys bashing on bogus"]
there's a small bit important difference, i was not not aiming at all flash fanboys but the specific ones bashing lol
and MoP shut it with the snideness, it's not becoming. there was this recent incident...
wearing dat star means you have the responsibility of punctuation!
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Opterown seems to bring drama with him where ever he posts lately.
Literally becoming the Totalbiscuit of the TL Starcraft 2 community.
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On May 12 2013 18:04 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 17:59 opterown wrote: you guys are misreading what i am trying to say, i am not saying [most amusing to see flash fanboys, bashing on bogus] i am saying [most amusing to see "flash fanboys bashing on bogus"]
there's a small bit important difference, i was not not aiming at all flash fanboys but the specific ones bashing lol
and MoP shut it with the snideness, it's not becoming. there was this recent incident... wearing dat star means you have the responsibility of punctuation! ![](/mirror/smilies/puh2.gif)
Hey, it also means he's better than the rest of us, judging by how he acts.
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Russian Federation601 Posts
On May 12 2013 17:47 ZenithM wrote: Innovation and Flash are very similar as players. They are the most complete form of Terran we've seen since the beginning of SC2, both being the best as far as Terrans go in a multitude of gameplay aspects, such as mechanical proficiency, overall multitasking, decision making and game sense, defensive and offensive capabilities, mental stability, etc.. I would say Innovation is a bit more on the offensive side of things: he cheeses and goes for timing attacks more than Flash, while Flash retains his BW style of perfect defense to back up consistently "greedy" play. kinda. Also they both have the most honest interviews EVER, both aprecciate really hard work as the way to become better, both giving a lot of attention to every single timing in the whole game etc etc.
btw third one, who have same similiar qualities is Lee Jae Dong, but he's a little bit off for now
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On May 12 2013 17:47 ZenithM wrote:
I'm just glad we somehow got 2 Terran monsters out of Kespa, while the rest looks fairly weak. I like to think of them as "Mvp Mk II" (for "Mark", not MKP related :p). Mvp was very complete as well in 2011 but the competition was weaker than it is currently and looking back, Mvp was most likely not as overall skilled as these two.
I think Last has shown a bit of potential in his play, at least as far as TvZ is concerned. What with him practicing with Bogus, I'd say the future might hold good things for him.
Then again for all we know, some random B-teamer might end up becoming the next big thing. :S
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49496 Posts
thats usually how someone becomes the next big thing, fuck thats how bogus became the next big thing, he used to be a joke until 2 years ago.
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Watching the vods now on youtube, thought I'd hit 'translate captions (beta)' for laughs. Only option available was Afrikaans, and despite knowing a little Korean, being fluent in Dutch (base language for Afrikaans) and English, it was so messed up ^^ The translation algorithm couldn't make up its mind whether it was about politics, industrial production or sports, which, combined with 5% transliterated words, did me more harm than good. So I turned the captions back to Korean, at least I could learn something from that ^^
BTW really happy to see LYH doing well, now waiting for LJD to do the same, although I doubt it will happen
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On May 12 2013 17:56 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 17:52 opterown wrote:On May 12 2013 17:44 Caihead wrote:On May 12 2013 17:31 opterown wrote: most amusing to see flash fanboys trying to bash on bogus most amusing seeing forum veterans vastly inflating "fanboys" everytime ONE person says anything. Seriously guys knock it off you are even more annoying because it sounds pompous and superficial. how is it exactly pompous and superficial? tell me, when you see posts like this On May 12 2013 17:08 grungust wrote: Innovation is getting so overrated it's beginning to be hilarious. Good job Flash. On May 12 2013 17:12 p14c wrote:On May 12 2013 17:10 aviator116 wrote:On May 12 2013 17:08 grungust wrote: Innovation is getting so overrated it's beginning to be hilarious. Good job Flash. How so? People were saying he's having much better TvT than Flash but they forget that many of Innovations wins were all-ins/ cheeses. The chances for Innovation to win a macro game vs Flash are very low to be honest. they seem like rather lame attempts to bash bogus after a loss i'm sure you recognise that flash fans are often some of the more passionate ones that can get... caught up in the moment You of all people know that so called fanboys are either trolls with the intent of soliciting reaction from frequent browsers such as yourself, or idiots who are beyond saving, best solution is to ignore them. Lumping everyone who say positive things about a player to be fanboys is really annoying.
opterown just wants to keep his post count high, so he needs to react to everything.
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On May 12 2013 15:51 Laryleprakon wrote: PvP is a lot more fun in HOTS, proleague having mass pvpvpvp isn't much fun tho My thoughts exactly. I really like protoss match-ups in HotS, but too many in PL is gonna make it boring at some point. Even GSL that has always contained very few protoss, the number of protoss is historically high this season, even bigger than the number of T for the first time in code A+S (but a bit lower than Z).
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On May 12 2013 18:15 BLinD-RawR wrote: thats usually how someone becomes the next big thing, fuck thats how bogus became the next big thing, he used to be a joke until 2 years ago.
I thought Bogus was pretty good when I first saw him play back in BW, I wouldn't classify him as a joke 2 years ago. Didn't he have a high winrate off the bat?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49496 Posts
On May 12 2013 18:43 sinigang wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 18:15 BLinD-RawR wrote: thats usually how someone becomes the next big thing, fuck thats how bogus became the next big thing, he used to be a joke until 2 years ago. I thought Bogus was pretty good when I first saw him play back in BW, I wouldn't classify him as a joke 2 years ago. ![](/mirror/smilies/smile.gif) Didn't he have a high winrate off the bat?
I said until 2 years ago, hes been an active pro since 2008.
it was only after the scandal which left STX out of their only good terran did bogus start to not only play more but start stepping it up.
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