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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 04 2013 07:08 GMT
#121
i didn't watch much BW ZvZ, anyone have good examples of VODs to catch the great action etc?
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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
May 04 2013 07:09 GMT
#122
I really hope roro emerges as a total boss here in ak format muahaha :D
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2631 Posts
May 04 2013 07:09 GMT
#123
LOL Zero the SK Telecom Zerg. Hahaha. Oh Whiplash.
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 07:11:01
May 04 2013 07:09 GMT
#124
On May 04 2013 16:08 opterown wrote:
i didn't watch much BW ZvZ, anyone have good examples of VODs to catch the great action etc?

It got whined about almost as much as SC2 PvP, there were some epic late game ones but part of the epicness was because the mu usually only consisted of zergling muta with maybe 20% build order wins.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Ilovesky
Profile Joined April 2013
China41 Posts
May 04 2013 07:10 GMT
#125
it's roro's time
KT Flash, Go go!
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
May 04 2013 07:11 GMT
#126
On May 04 2013 16:00 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 15:59 letian wrote:
boring, just boring. I miss muta ZvZ. ZvZ should be quick like in BW, this hydra-roach battles are slow and positional, which is definitely worse than muta vs muta engagements


This is why I hope muta never becomes irrelevant because ground based zvz will be super boring especially when zergs do turtle spine + swarmhost.

I agree it should not become irrelevant, but dont you think that muta is being overused? ZvZ meta at this point basically devolved into 3rd hatch snipe into getting larger muta count of 6 gases. It would be nice if muta ling was viable vs roach hydra and the other way around, but I dont know at this point how it could be done without breaking the other matchups.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 04 2013 07:12 GMT
#127
On May 04 2013 16:09 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 16:08 opterown wrote:
i didn't watch much BW ZvZ, anyone have good examples of VODs to catch the great action etc?

It got whined about almost as much as SC2 PvP, there were some epic late game ones but part of the epicness was because the mu usually only consisted of zergling muta with maybe 20% build order wins.

so.. a bit like 4gate era of PvP?

i'm not sure whether BW ZvZ was that great or whether it's kinda like "grass is greener on the other side" (in this case the old side)
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M.R. McThundercrotch
Profile Joined June 2012
United States265 Posts
May 04 2013 07:13 GMT
#128
On May 04 2013 16:06 pylonsalad wrote:
Blizzard bring back the scourge! Classic BW zvz is best zvz.


I also think Lurkers would actually have a great spot in SC2 ZvZ. Take that last match and add in Lurkers and switch Blinding Cloud for Dark Swarm and it could actually be really interesting. Scourge or just any anti-air flyer that could be effecient against Mutas and ZvZ would have two interesting unit compositions, like Mech and Bio in TvT.

I really think it is so close to being great and it makes me sad.
On June 30 2012 01:42 iNcontroL wrote: Fuck a lot of you. Fuck you forever.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
May 04 2013 07:14 GMT
#129
On May 04 2013 16:08 opterown wrote:
i didn't watch much BW ZvZ, anyone have good examples of VODs to catch the great action etc?

check out PDPop MZL where hydra won 300 ZvZs on his way to the trophy
Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
May 04 2013 07:17 GMT
#130
bong with those mind games?
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 07:18:18
May 04 2013 07:17 GMT
#131
Ok, nice trick but it doesn't actually accomplish anything.

edit: I guess if he got a FF on the main ramp it could be amazing.
rj rl
Profile Joined May 2012
648 Posts
May 04 2013 07:18 GMT
#132
KHAN players: "lol"
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
May 04 2013 07:18 GMT
#133
On May 04 2013 16:08 opterown wrote:
i didn't watch much BW ZvZ, anyone have good examples of VODs to catch the great action etc?


All ZvZ are basically Muta/Ling/Spore in BW. Game involving Great can be quite interesting though. Here's a game that I liked:

casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
May 04 2013 07:19 GMT
#134
I'm really confused by BongS.G.'s build here.
GuMiho <3
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
May 04 2013 07:21 GMT
#135
On May 04 2013 16:12 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 16:09 Scarecrow wrote:
On May 04 2013 16:08 opterown wrote:
i didn't watch much BW ZvZ, anyone have good examples of VODs to catch the great action etc?

It got whined about almost as much as SC2 PvP, there were some epic late game ones but part of the epicness was because the mu usually only consisted of zergling muta with maybe 20% build order wins.

so.. a bit like 4gate era of PvP?

i'm not sure whether BW ZvZ was that great or whether it's kinda like "grass is greener on the other side" (in this case the old side)

you must be joking
Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
May 04 2013 07:22 GMT
#136
looks like bong's gonna close this out
fOu/Zenith/NEX/WeRRa/SlayerS
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 04 2013 07:23 GMT
#137
On May 04 2013 16:21 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 16:12 opterown wrote:
On May 04 2013 16:09 Scarecrow wrote:
On May 04 2013 16:08 opterown wrote:
i didn't watch much BW ZvZ, anyone have good examples of VODs to catch the great action etc?

It got whined about almost as much as SC2 PvP, there were some epic late game ones but part of the epicness was because the mu usually only consisted of zergling muta with maybe 20% build order wins.

so.. a bit like 4gate era of PvP?

i'm not sure whether BW ZvZ was that great or whether it's kinda like "grass is greener on the other side" (in this case the old side)

you must be joking

enlighten me
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
May 04 2013 07:24 GMT
#138
Wow, sick timing.
GuMiho <3
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
May 04 2013 07:24 GMT
#139
Dammit roro, ahead all game and just loses all his infestors ugh
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
May 04 2013 07:24 GMT
#140
Well this is terrible for me.
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