On April 26 2013 09:05 snakeeyez wrote: I think innovation should have picked someone besides flash. Its silly to suicide yourself like that why not give yourself the best chances at winning instead of just picking the hardest players
koreans dont think like white people easy mode is disgraceful!
If they wanted easy mode Kespa would have picked C&C
On April 26 2013 06:13 Dodgin wrote: Bomber has better TvP than gumiho
I beg to differ.
You may beg to differ, but no many people do. Bomber is known as a beastly, likely the best, TvPer and has the wins/winrate to back it all up. Gumiho is not known for his TvP and doesn't have the winrate to back it up. Sure Bomber may have a day where he does his usual bomb out, but he is the better TvPer.
This is just plain wrong; TvP is traditionally GuMiho's strongest mu, and GuMiho himself has stated that he is by far most confident vP. GuMi is the superior TvP'er.
Traditionally?? Well 'statistically' you're full of shit, it's not even Gumiho's best matchup (58%) and Bomber's WAY better with a 76% Korean WoL TvP (54-17). Also a player saying he's most confident in a certain mu doesn't mean he's better than X, despite your most ardent fanboyism.
On April 26 2013 06:13 Dodgin wrote: Bomber has better TvP than gumiho
I beg to differ.
You may beg to differ, but no many people do. Bomber is known as a beastly, likely the best, TvPer and has the wins/winrate to back it all up. Gumiho is not known for his TvP and doesn't have the winrate to back it up. Sure Bomber may have a day where he does his usual bomb out, but he is the better TvPer.
This is just plain wrong; TvP is traditionally GuMiho's strongest mu, and GuMiho himself has stated that he is by far most confident vP. GuMi is the superior TvP'er.
On April 26 2013 08:27 pylonsalad wrote: Ironically, Parting is he weakest player in group B. I think Life and Bogus are favorites over Flash.
I actually feel that Flash is the weakest player lol
And I'm sure someone out there will think it's Innovation
And someone out there will point out how Parting outclassed Life already in their last group meeting.
SUCH A GOOD GROUP!
Parting didn't play Life. Parting went 2-0 Last, 2-1 Leenock. Life went 0-2 Leenock, 2-0 Last, 2-0 Leenock. Unless you mean WoL?
Also I'm one of the "Flash looks weakest in that group" guys. Not that it matters. Last in that group would be first or second in almost any other group.
EDIT: @above: As a Gumiho fan, Bomber has stronger TvP. Tell me about the last TvP series Bomber lost.
Yeah, you're right, that group was pretty stacked as well.
every group either has a GSL champ or a GSL finalist, this is insane
On April 26 2013 09:05 snakeeyez wrote: I think innovation should have picked someone besides flash. Its silly to suicide yourself like that why not give yourself the best chances at winning instead of just picking the hardest players
The crowd was chanting for Flash, no way he was picking anyone else.
On April 26 2013 06:13 Dodgin wrote: Bomber has better TvP than gumiho
I beg to differ.
You may beg to differ, but no many people do. Bomber is known as a beastly, likely the best, TvPer and has the wins/winrate to back it all up. Gumiho is not known for his TvP and doesn't have the winrate to back it up. Sure Bomber may have a day where he does his usual bomb out, but he is the better TvPer.
This is just plain wrong; TvP is traditionally GuMiho's strongest mu, and GuMiho himself has stated that he is by far most confident vP. GuMi is the superior TvP'er.
Keep dreaming.
Speak for yourself. Go ahead and look up the facts if you don't believe me; otherwise, can it. It's bad enough to draw definitive conclusions in the absence of sufficient proof...but to draw conclusions that go against the proof? Now that's something I hadn't heard of up till now.
On April 26 2013 06:13 Dodgin wrote: Bomber has better TvP than gumiho
I beg to differ.
You may beg to differ, but no many people do. Bomber is known as a beastly, likely the best, TvPer and has the wins/winrate to back it all up. Gumiho is not known for his TvP and doesn't have the winrate to back it up. Sure Bomber may have a day where he does his usual bomb out, but he is the better TvPer.
This is just plain wrong; TvP is traditionally GuMiho's strongest mu, and GuMiho himself has stated that he is by far most confident vP. GuMi is the superior TvP'er.
Keep dreaming.
Speak for yourself. Go ahead and look up the facts if you don't believe me; otherwise, can it. It's bad enough to draw definitive conclusions in the absence of sufficient proof...but to draw conclusions that go against the proof? Now that's something different altogether.
LOL Gumiho TvP Winrate - 58.7% Bomber TvP Winrate - 76% Granted this is WoL, but they dont have many TvP under their belt for HotS Their last 10 TvP's in WoL Bomber went 9-1 while Gumiho went 5-5
You are going against the proof in every imaginable way.
On April 26 2013 09:17 RaiKageRyu wrote: This is the penultimate Group of Death. Far surpasses all other Groups of Death in the entire history of Starcraft.
I agree, this is definitely the next to last group of death :p But yes, it looks quite incredible. Can't wait to see the matches, should be great
I want life or innovation to win, but I just cant really root for anyone but flash. I mean watching flash win gsl would be beyond epic and flash looks strong I think he can do it if he makes it through this group
On April 26 2013 09:24 snakeeyez wrote: I want life or innovation to win, but I just cant really root for anyone but flash. I mean watching flash win gsl would be beyond epic and flash looks strong I think he can do it if he makes it through this group
If Flash won GSL it would probably catapult SC2 popularity in korea by a lot.
On April 26 2013 05:04 Emzeeshady wrote: [quote] Well there is no conclusive evidence obviously and they are actually pretty close in skill level. Gumi just looks better to me.
GuMiho is infinitely superior to Flash in virtually every facet of the game. I can't wait for him to win Dreamhack + this season of Code S and shit all over you blind haters. Mark my words his true potential will be realized.
He's not good, famous or hyped enough to induce haters. It's all in your head.
Oh you're that troll that no one takes seriously. Thanks for your unlettered input.
How's that a troll, I am telling it seriously. He's not a champion, he's not famous, not hyped by casters, very few haters compare to other players.
And also, I'm not a native English speaker, please educate me which part of my sentence shows that I'm unlettered. Seriously not joking, my English is poor.
Unlettered doesn't necessarily mean illiterate. It can also mean ignorant/unlearned/uneducated/etc. And he is famous? He's a Korean progamer who's single-handedly acquired his team 'GSTL Champion' status twice (first through an all-kill, then a reverse triple). He has provided us the absolute most entertaining and intense games of SC2 ever witnessed. His multitasking and micro capabilities are unrivaled by any other Terran. And not hyped by casters? Are you for real? The only reason he isn't as much of a fan-favorite is because he didn't want to leave SK to participate in foreign tourneys until he won a GSL. And also because unfortunately the SC2 community is comprised of lots of fags who care more about looks than skill. Your English is fine, but in terms of content, you're just pulling shit from your ass.
Edit: And perhaps instead of 'blind hater' I should've said, 'blind Flash fanboy.'
Sorry to budge in, but the only blind fanboy here is you. Who cares what gumiho showed in WoL? It was a different game and different times, meanwhile in HotS he came out first out of his group and is 1-1 in GSTL. What makes you honestly think that he is better than either innovation or Flash? If he is such an amazing (best?) terran, why has he won 0 individual events, and in his entire career his greatest individual achievement was a mighty single GSL semifinal? Surely his results would be at least slightly better if he was as great as you think he is. Dont get me wrong I like gumi as much as the next guy, but there is like no reason to consider him clearly better than flash and innovation. Thats a little silly.
It's nigh vomit-inducing how grossly overrated Flash and Innovation are right now. Flash knows like one BO and gets slammed by any cheese. Gumi's results put him far ahead of Inno.
What results are you referring to? This is HotS, not WoL. Flash has a second place finish at MLG. Gumiho's all-kill was in 2012. Im not saying Gumiho isn't ridiculously good. Innovation and Flash have shown what they can do many times since HotS has come out. Gumiho hasn't.
This. Even if you believe Flash and Innovation are slightly overhype, Gumiho has nothing that puts him above them.
On April 26 2013 06:13 Dodgin wrote: Bomber has better TvP than gumiho
I beg to differ.
You may beg to differ, but no many people do. Bomber is known as a beastly, likely the best, TvPer and has the wins/winrate to back it all up. Gumiho is not known for his TvP and doesn't have the winrate to back it up. Sure Bomber may have a day where he does his usual bomb out, but he is the better TvPer.
This is just plain wrong; TvP is traditionally GuMiho's strongest mu, and GuMiho himself has stated that he is by far most confident vP. GuMi is the superior TvP'er.
Keep dreaming.
Speak for yourself. Go ahead and look up the facts if you don't believe me; otherwise, can it. It's bad enough to draw definitive conclusions in the absence of sufficient proof...but to draw conclusions that go against the proof? Now that's something different altogether.
LOL Gumiho TvP Winrate - 58.7% Bomber TvP Winrate - 76% Granted this is WoL, but they dont have many TvP under their belt for HotS Their last 10 TvP's in WoL Bomber went 9-1 while Gumiho went 5-5
You are going against the proof in every imaginable way.
I would add that FXO didn't use Gumiho in the match against IM where Squirtle got a 3 kill, because according to Unstable's post he was only confident in TvZ and didn't want to play TvP and Gumiho also lost to Super in the next match.
Bomber is a true TvP specialist, no one even comes close.
On April 26 2013 08:27 pylonsalad wrote: Ironically, Parting is he weakest player in group B. I think Life and Bogus are favorites over Flash.
I actually feel that Flash is the weakest player lol
And I'm sure someone out there will think it's Innovation
And someone out there will point out how Parting outclassed Life already in their last group meeting.
SUCH A GOOD GROUP!
Parting didn't play Life. Parting went 2-0 Last, 2-1 Leenock. Life went 0-2 Leenock, 2-0 Last, 2-0 Leenock. Unless you mean WoL?
Also I'm one of the "Flash looks weakest in that group" guys. Not that it matters. Last in that group would be first or second in almost any other group.
EDIT: @above: As a Gumiho fan, Bomber has stronger TvP. Tell me about the last TvP series Bomber lost.
Yeah, you're right, that group was pretty stacked as well.
every group either has a GSL champ or a GSL finalist, this is insane
On April 26 2013 05:33 Addicted2Dreaming wrote: [quote]
GuMiho is infinitely superior to Flash in virtually every facet of the game. I can't wait for him to win Dreamhack + this season of Code S and shit all over you blind haters. Mark my words his true potential will be realized.
He's not good, famous or hyped enough to induce haters. It's all in your head.
Oh you're that troll that no one takes seriously. Thanks for your unlettered input.
How's that a troll, I am telling it seriously. He's not a champion, he's not famous, not hyped by casters, very few haters compare to other players.
And also, I'm not a native English speaker, please educate me which part of my sentence shows that I'm unlettered. Seriously not joking, my English is poor.
Unlettered doesn't necessarily mean illiterate. It can also mean ignorant/unlearned/uneducated/etc. And he is famous? He's a Korean progamer who's single-handedly acquired his team 'GSTL Champion' status twice (first through an all-kill, then a reverse triple). He has provided us the absolute most entertaining and intense games of SC2 ever witnessed. His multitasking and micro capabilities are unrivaled by any other Terran. And not hyped by casters? Are you for real? The only reason he isn't as much of a fan-favorite is because he didn't want to leave SK to participate in foreign tourneys until he won a GSL. And also because unfortunately the SC2 community is comprised of lots of fags who care more about looks than skill. Your English is fine, but in terms of content, you're just pulling shit from your ass.
Edit: And perhaps instead of 'blind hater' I should've said, 'blind Flash fanboy.'
Sorry to budge in, but the only blind fanboy here is you. Who cares what gumiho showed in WoL? It was a different game and different times, meanwhile in HotS he came out first out of his group and is 1-1 in GSTL. What makes you honestly think that he is better than either innovation or Flash? If he is such an amazing (best?) terran, why has he won 0 individual events, and in his entire career his greatest individual achievement was a mighty single GSL semifinal? Surely his results would be at least slightly better if he was as great as you think he is. Dont get me wrong I like gumi as much as the next guy, but there is like no reason to consider him clearly better than flash and innovation. Thats a little silly.
It's nigh vomit-inducing how grossly overrated Flash and Innovation are right now. Flash knows like one BO and gets slammed by any cheese. Gumi's results put him far ahead of Inno.
What results are you referring to? This is HotS, not WoL. Flash has a second place finish at MLG. Gumiho's all-kill was in 2012. Im not saying Gumiho isn't ridiculously good. Innovation and Flash have shown what they can do many times since HotS has come out. Gumiho hasn't.
This. Even if you believe Flash and Innovation are slightly overhype, Gumiho has nothing that puts him above them.
On April 26 2013 05:33 Addicted2Dreaming wrote: [quote]
GuMiho is infinitely superior to Flash in virtually every facet of the game. I can't wait for him to win Dreamhack + this season of Code S and shit all over you blind haters. Mark my words his true potential will be realized.
He's not good, famous or hyped enough to induce haters. It's all in your head.
Oh you're that troll that no one takes seriously. Thanks for your unlettered input.
How's that a troll, I am telling it seriously. He's not a champion, he's not famous, not hyped by casters, very few haters compare to other players.
And also, I'm not a native English speaker, please educate me which part of my sentence shows that I'm unlettered. Seriously not joking, my English is poor.
Unlettered doesn't necessarily mean illiterate. It can also mean ignorant/unlearned/uneducated/etc. And he is famous? He's a Korean progamer who's single-handedly acquired his team 'GSTL Champion' status twice (first through an all-kill, then a reverse triple). He has provided us the absolute most entertaining and intense games of SC2 ever witnessed. His multitasking and micro capabilities are unrivaled by any other Terran. And not hyped by casters? Are you for real? The only reason he isn't as much of a fan-favorite is because he didn't want to leave SK to participate in foreign tourneys until he won a GSL. And also because unfortunately the SC2 community is comprised of lots of fags who care more about looks than skill. Your English is fine, but in terms of content, you're just pulling shit from your ass.
Edit: And perhaps instead of 'blind hater' I should've said, 'blind Flash fanboy.'
Sorry to budge in, but the only blind fanboy here is you. Who cares what gumiho showed in WoL? It was a different game and different times, meanwhile in HotS he came out first out of his group and is 1-1 in GSTL. What makes you honestly think that he is better than either innovation or Flash? If he is such an amazing (best?) terran, why has he won 0 individual events, and in his entire career his greatest individual achievement was a mighty single GSL semifinal? Surely his results would be at least slightly better if he was as great as you think he is. Dont get me wrong I like gumi as much as the next guy, but there is like no reason to consider him clearly better than flash and innovation. Thats a little silly.
It's nigh vomit-inducing how grossly overrated Flash and Innovation are right now. Flash knows like one BO and gets slammed by any cheese. Gumi's results put him far ahead of Inno.
What results are you referring to? This is HotS, not WoL. Flash has a second place finish at MLG. Gumiho's all-kill was in 2012. Im not saying Gumiho isn't ridiculously good. Innovation and Flash have shown what they can do many times since HotS has come out. Gumiho hasn't.
This. Even if you believe Flash and Innovation are slightly overhype, Gumiho has nothing that puts him above them.
GSL Ro32 does put Gumiho above Innovation.
Questionable. Yes, Gumiho beat Rain when Innovation lost, but maps and seeing what Rain did against him gives him an edge. Note that innovation went on to 2-0 rain in the end.
On April 26 2013 06:13 Dodgin wrote: Bomber has better TvP than gumiho
I beg to differ.
You may beg to differ, but no many people do. Bomber is known as a beastly, likely the best, TvPer and has the wins/winrate to back it all up. Gumiho is not known for his TvP and doesn't have the winrate to back it up. Sure Bomber may have a day where he does his usual bomb out, but he is the better TvPer.
This is just plain wrong; TvP is traditionally GuMiho's strongest mu, and GuMiho himself has stated that he is by far most confident vP. GuMi is the superior TvP'er.
Keep dreaming.
Speak for yourself. Go ahead and look up the facts if you don't believe me; otherwise, can it. It's bad enough to draw definitive conclusions in the absence of sufficient proof...but to draw conclusions that go against the proof? Now that's something I hadn't heard of up till now.
A bit angry over something so trivial are we? Relax. People have opinions.
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