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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
April 26 2013 00:10 GMT
#1961
On April 26 2013 09:08 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 09:05 snakeeyez wrote:
I think innovation should have picked someone besides flash. Its silly to suicide yourself like that why not give yourself the best chances at winning instead of just picking the hardest players


koreans dont think like white people
easy mode is disgraceful!


If they wanted easy mode Kespa would have picked C&C
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 00:12:17
April 26 2013 00:10 GMT
#1962
On April 26 2013 08:59 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 07:13 Thrillz wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:38 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:13 Dodgin wrote:
Bomber has better TvP than gumiho

I beg to differ.


You may beg to differ, but no many people do. Bomber is known as a beastly, likely the best, TvPer and has the wins/winrate to back it all up. Gumiho is not known for his TvP and doesn't have the winrate to back it up. Sure Bomber may have a day where he does his usual bomb out, but he is the better TvPer.

This is just plain wrong; TvP is traditionally GuMiho's strongest mu, and GuMiho himself has stated that he is by far most confident vP. GuMi is the superior TvP'er.

Traditionally?? Well 'statistically' you're full of shit, it's not even Gumiho's best matchup (58%) and Bomber's WAY better with a 76% Korean WoL TvP (54-17). Also a player saying he's most confident in a certain mu doesn't mean he's better than X, despite your most ardent fanboyism.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
April 26 2013 00:11 GMT
#1963
On April 26 2013 08:59 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 07:13 Thrillz wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:38 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:13 Dodgin wrote:
Bomber has better TvP than gumiho

I beg to differ.


You may beg to differ, but no many people do. Bomber is known as a beastly, likely the best, TvPer and has the wins/winrate to back it all up. Gumiho is not known for his TvP and doesn't have the winrate to back it up. Sure Bomber may have a day where he does his usual bomb out, but he is the better TvPer.

This is just plain wrong; TvP is traditionally GuMiho's strongest mu, and GuMiho himself has stated that he is by far most confident vP. GuMi is the superior TvP'er.


Keep dreaming.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
April 26 2013 00:13 GMT
#1964
On April 26 2013 09:09 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 09:00 bittman wrote:
On April 26 2013 08:40 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On April 26 2013 08:27 pylonsalad wrote:
Ironically, Parting is he weakest player in group B. I think Life and Bogus are favorites over Flash.


I actually feel that Flash is the weakest player lol

And I'm sure someone out there will think it's Innovation

And someone out there will point out how Parting outclassed Life already in their last group meeting.

SUCH A GOOD GROUP!


Parting didn't play Life. Parting went 2-0 Last, 2-1 Leenock. Life went 0-2 Leenock, 2-0 Last, 2-0 Leenock. Unless you mean WoL?

Also I'm one of the "Flash looks weakest in that group" guys. Not that it matters. Last in that group would be first or second in almost any other group.

EDIT: @above: As a Gumiho fan, Bomber has stronger TvP. Tell me about the last TvP series Bomber lost.


Yeah, you're right, that group was pretty stacked as well.

every group either has a GSL champ or a GSL finalist, this is insane


....except Group C...
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
April 26 2013 00:13 GMT
#1965
On April 26 2013 09:05 snakeeyez wrote:
I think innovation should have picked someone besides flash. Its silly to suicide yourself like that why not give yourself the best chances at winning instead of just picking the hardest players

The crowd was chanting for Flash, no way he was picking anyone else.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Addicted2Dreaming
Profile Joined February 2013
Canada116 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 00:19:21
April 26 2013 00:15 GMT
#1966
On April 26 2013 09:11 Thrillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 08:59 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 07:13 Thrillz wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:38 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:13 Dodgin wrote:
Bomber has better TvP than gumiho

I beg to differ.


You may beg to differ, but no many people do. Bomber is known as a beastly, likely the best, TvPer and has the wins/winrate to back it all up. Gumiho is not known for his TvP and doesn't have the winrate to back it up. Sure Bomber may have a day where he does his usual bomb out, but he is the better TvPer.

This is just plain wrong; TvP is traditionally GuMiho's strongest mu, and GuMiho himself has stated that he is by far most confident vP. GuMi is the superior TvP'er.


Keep dreaming.

Speak for yourself. Go ahead and look up the facts if you don't believe me; otherwise, can it. It's bad enough to draw definitive conclusions in the absence of sufficient proof...but to draw conclusions that go against the proof? Now that's something I hadn't heard of up till now.
favs = leenock, gumiho, sC, life, sniper, jjakji, mvp, tear, innovation, polt, mc, dream
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
April 26 2013 00:17 GMT
#1967
This is the penultimate Group of Death. Far surpasses all other Groups of Death in the entire history of Starcraft.
Someone call down the Thunder?
tozi
Profile Joined October 2008
United States506 Posts
April 26 2013 00:18 GMT
#1968
If Life joins KTRolster, it would complete the parting vs. life rivalry...
kt vs skt
life vs parting

but it would also kinda negate the flash vs. life rivalry... -_-
nothing
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
April 26 2013 00:19 GMT
#1969
On April 26 2013 09:15 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 09:11 Thrillz wrote:
On April 26 2013 08:59 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 07:13 Thrillz wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:38 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:13 Dodgin wrote:
Bomber has better TvP than gumiho

I beg to differ.


You may beg to differ, but no many people do. Bomber is known as a beastly, likely the best, TvPer and has the wins/winrate to back it all up. Gumiho is not known for his TvP and doesn't have the winrate to back it up. Sure Bomber may have a day where he does his usual bomb out, but he is the better TvPer.

This is just plain wrong; TvP is traditionally GuMiho's strongest mu, and GuMiho himself has stated that he is by far most confident vP. GuMi is the superior TvP'er.


Keep dreaming.

Speak for yourself. Go ahead and look up the facts if you don't believe me; otherwise, can it. It's bad enough to draw definitive conclusions in the absence of sufficient proof...but to draw conclusions that go against the proof? Now that's something different altogether.

LOL
Gumiho TvP Winrate - 58.7%
Bomber TvP Winrate - 76%
Granted this is WoL, but they dont have many TvP under their belt for HotS
Their last 10 TvP's in WoL Bomber went 9-1 while Gumiho went 5-5

You are going against the proof in every imaginable way.
RDaneelOlivaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Vatican City State733 Posts
April 26 2013 00:20 GMT
#1970
On April 26 2013 09:17 RaiKageRyu wrote:
This is the penultimate Group of Death. Far surpasses all other Groups of Death in the entire history of Starcraft.

I agree, this is definitely the next to last group of death :p But yes, it looks quite incredible. Can't wait to see the matches, should be great
snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
April 26 2013 00:24 GMT
#1971
I want life or innovation to win, but I just cant really root for anyone but flash. I mean watching flash win gsl would be beyond epic and flash looks strong I think he can do it if he makes it through this group
Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
April 26 2013 00:25 GMT
#1972
group B oh man that is insane......
Sc2 always got your back
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
April 26 2013 00:26 GMT
#1973
On April 26 2013 09:24 snakeeyez wrote:
I want life or innovation to win, but I just cant really root for anyone but flash. I mean watching flash win gsl would be beyond epic and flash looks strong I think he can do it if he makes it through this group

If Flash won GSL it would probably catapult SC2 popularity in korea by a lot.
Kihshra
Profile Joined July 2012
178 Posts
April 26 2013 00:26 GMT
#1974
On April 26 2013 08:18 Thrillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 08:12 TehLulzorz wrote:
On April 26 2013 08:01 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 07:03 warmus wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:34 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:50 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:47 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:42 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:33 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:04 Emzeeshady wrote:
[quote]
Well there is no conclusive evidence obviously and they are actually pretty close in skill level. Gumi just looks better to me.



GuMiho is infinitely superior to Flash in virtually every facet of the game. I can't wait for him to win Dreamhack + this season of Code S and shit all over you blind haters. Mark my words his true potential will be realized.


He's not good, famous or hyped enough to induce haters. It's all in your head.

Oh you're that troll that no one takes seriously. Thanks for your unlettered input.


How's that a troll, I am telling it seriously. He's not a champion, he's not famous, not hyped by casters, very few haters compare to other players.

And also, I'm not a native English speaker, please educate me which part of my sentence shows that I'm unlettered. Seriously not joking, my English is poor.

Unlettered doesn't necessarily mean illiterate. It can also mean ignorant/unlearned/uneducated/etc. And he is famous? He's a Korean progamer who's single-handedly acquired his team 'GSTL Champion' status twice (first through an all-kill, then a reverse triple). He has provided us the absolute most entertaining and intense games of SC2 ever witnessed. His multitasking and micro capabilities are unrivaled by any other Terran. And not hyped by casters? Are you for real? The only reason he isn't as much of a fan-favorite is because he didn't want to leave SK to participate in foreign tourneys until he won a GSL. And also because unfortunately the SC2 community is comprised of lots of fags who care more about looks than skill. Your English is fine, but in terms of content, you're just pulling shit from your ass.

Edit: And perhaps instead of 'blind hater' I should've said, 'blind Flash fanboy.'


Sorry to budge in, but the only blind fanboy here is you. Who cares what gumiho showed in WoL? It was a different game and different times, meanwhile in HotS he came out first out of his group and is 1-1 in GSTL. What makes you honestly think that he is better than either innovation or Flash? If he is such an amazing (best?) terran, why has he won 0 individual events, and in his entire career his greatest individual achievement was a mighty single GSL semifinal? Surely his results would be at least slightly better if he was as great as you think he is. Dont get me wrong I like gumi as much as the next guy, but there is like no reason to consider him clearly better than flash and innovation. Thats a little silly.

It's nigh vomit-inducing how grossly overrated Flash and Innovation are right now. Flash knows like one BO and gets slammed by any cheese. Gumi's results put him far ahead of Inno.


What results are you referring to? This is HotS, not WoL. Flash has a second place finish at MLG. Gumiho's all-kill was in 2012. Im not saying Gumiho isn't ridiculously good. Innovation and Flash have shown what they can do many times since HotS has come out. Gumiho hasn't.


This. Even if you believe Flash and Innovation are slightly overhype, Gumiho has nothing that puts him above them.

GSL Ro32 does put Gumiho above Innovation.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 00:28:07
April 26 2013 00:27 GMT
#1975
On April 26 2013 09:19 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 09:15 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 09:11 Thrillz wrote:
On April 26 2013 08:59 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 07:13 Thrillz wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:38 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:13 Dodgin wrote:
Bomber has better TvP than gumiho

I beg to differ.


You may beg to differ, but no many people do. Bomber is known as a beastly, likely the best, TvPer and has the wins/winrate to back it all up. Gumiho is not known for his TvP and doesn't have the winrate to back it up. Sure Bomber may have a day where he does his usual bomb out, but he is the better TvPer.

This is just plain wrong; TvP is traditionally GuMiho's strongest mu, and GuMiho himself has stated that he is by far most confident vP. GuMi is the superior TvP'er.


Keep dreaming.

Speak for yourself. Go ahead and look up the facts if you don't believe me; otherwise, can it. It's bad enough to draw definitive conclusions in the absence of sufficient proof...but to draw conclusions that go against the proof? Now that's something different altogether.

LOL
Gumiho TvP Winrate - 58.7%
Bomber TvP Winrate - 76%
Granted this is WoL, but they dont have many TvP under their belt for HotS
Their last 10 TvP's in WoL Bomber went 9-1 while Gumiho went 5-5

You are going against the proof in every imaginable way.

I would add that FXO didn't use Gumiho in the match against IM where Squirtle got a 3 kill, because according to Unstable's post he was only confident in TvZ and didn't want to play TvP and Gumiho also lost to Super in the next match.

Bomber is a true TvP specialist, no one even comes close.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
April 26 2013 00:28 GMT
#1976
On April 26 2013 09:13 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 09:09 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On April 26 2013 09:00 bittman wrote:
On April 26 2013 08:40 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On April 26 2013 08:27 pylonsalad wrote:
Ironically, Parting is he weakest player in group B. I think Life and Bogus are favorites over Flash.


I actually feel that Flash is the weakest player lol

And I'm sure someone out there will think it's Innovation

And someone out there will point out how Parting outclassed Life already in their last group meeting.

SUCH A GOOD GROUP!


Parting didn't play Life. Parting went 2-0 Last, 2-1 Leenock. Life went 0-2 Leenock, 2-0 Last, 2-0 Leenock. Unless you mean WoL?

Also I'm one of the "Flash looks weakest in that group" guys. Not that it matters. Last in that group would be first or second in almost any other group.

EDIT: @above: As a Gumiho fan, Bomber has stronger TvP. Tell me about the last TvP series Bomber lost.


Yeah, you're right, that group was pretty stacked as well.

every group either has a GSL champ or a GSL finalist, this is insane


....except Group C...


Damn you Shine! I keep thinking you're sniper!
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Addicted2Dreaming
Profile Joined February 2013
Canada116 Posts
April 26 2013 00:30 GMT
#1977
On April 26 2013 09:26 Kihshra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 08:18 Thrillz wrote:
On April 26 2013 08:12 TehLulzorz wrote:
On April 26 2013 08:01 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 07:03 warmus wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:34 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:50 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:47 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:42 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:33 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
[quote]


GuMiho is infinitely superior to Flash in virtually every facet of the game. I can't wait for him to win Dreamhack + this season of Code S and shit all over you blind haters. Mark my words his true potential will be realized.


He's not good, famous or hyped enough to induce haters. It's all in your head.

Oh you're that troll that no one takes seriously. Thanks for your unlettered input.


How's that a troll, I am telling it seriously. He's not a champion, he's not famous, not hyped by casters, very few haters compare to other players.

And also, I'm not a native English speaker, please educate me which part of my sentence shows that I'm unlettered. Seriously not joking, my English is poor.

Unlettered doesn't necessarily mean illiterate. It can also mean ignorant/unlearned/uneducated/etc. And he is famous? He's a Korean progamer who's single-handedly acquired his team 'GSTL Champion' status twice (first through an all-kill, then a reverse triple). He has provided us the absolute most entertaining and intense games of SC2 ever witnessed. His multitasking and micro capabilities are unrivaled by any other Terran. And not hyped by casters? Are you for real? The only reason he isn't as much of a fan-favorite is because he didn't want to leave SK to participate in foreign tourneys until he won a GSL. And also because unfortunately the SC2 community is comprised of lots of fags who care more about looks than skill. Your English is fine, but in terms of content, you're just pulling shit from your ass.

Edit: And perhaps instead of 'blind hater' I should've said, 'blind Flash fanboy.'


Sorry to budge in, but the only blind fanboy here is you. Who cares what gumiho showed in WoL? It was a different game and different times, meanwhile in HotS he came out first out of his group and is 1-1 in GSTL. What makes you honestly think that he is better than either innovation or Flash? If he is such an amazing (best?) terran, why has he won 0 individual events, and in his entire career his greatest individual achievement was a mighty single GSL semifinal? Surely his results would be at least slightly better if he was as great as you think he is. Dont get me wrong I like gumi as much as the next guy, but there is like no reason to consider him clearly better than flash and innovation. Thats a little silly.

It's nigh vomit-inducing how grossly overrated Flash and Innovation are right now. Flash knows like one BO and gets slammed by any cheese. Gumi's results put him far ahead of Inno.


What results are you referring to? This is HotS, not WoL. Flash has a second place finish at MLG. Gumiho's all-kill was in 2012. Im not saying Gumiho isn't ridiculously good. Innovation and Flash have shown what they can do many times since HotS has come out. Gumiho hasn't.


This. Even if you believe Flash and Innovation are slightly overhype, Gumiho has nothing that puts him above them.

GSL Ro32 does put Gumiho above Innovation.
favs = leenock, gumiho, sC, life, sniper, jjakji, mvp, tear, innovation, polt, mc, dream
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
April 26 2013 00:30 GMT
#1978
On April 26 2013 09:26 Kihshra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 08:18 Thrillz wrote:
On April 26 2013 08:12 TehLulzorz wrote:
On April 26 2013 08:01 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 07:03 warmus wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:34 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:50 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:47 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:42 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On April 26 2013 05:33 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
[quote]


GuMiho is infinitely superior to Flash in virtually every facet of the game. I can't wait for him to win Dreamhack + this season of Code S and shit all over you blind haters. Mark my words his true potential will be realized.


He's not good, famous or hyped enough to induce haters. It's all in your head.

Oh you're that troll that no one takes seriously. Thanks for your unlettered input.


How's that a troll, I am telling it seriously. He's not a champion, he's not famous, not hyped by casters, very few haters compare to other players.

And also, I'm not a native English speaker, please educate me which part of my sentence shows that I'm unlettered. Seriously not joking, my English is poor.

Unlettered doesn't necessarily mean illiterate. It can also mean ignorant/unlearned/uneducated/etc. And he is famous? He's a Korean progamer who's single-handedly acquired his team 'GSTL Champion' status twice (first through an all-kill, then a reverse triple). He has provided us the absolute most entertaining and intense games of SC2 ever witnessed. His multitasking and micro capabilities are unrivaled by any other Terran. And not hyped by casters? Are you for real? The only reason he isn't as much of a fan-favorite is because he didn't want to leave SK to participate in foreign tourneys until he won a GSL. And also because unfortunately the SC2 community is comprised of lots of fags who care more about looks than skill. Your English is fine, but in terms of content, you're just pulling shit from your ass.

Edit: And perhaps instead of 'blind hater' I should've said, 'blind Flash fanboy.'


Sorry to budge in, but the only blind fanboy here is you. Who cares what gumiho showed in WoL? It was a different game and different times, meanwhile in HotS he came out first out of his group and is 1-1 in GSTL. What makes you honestly think that he is better than either innovation or Flash? If he is such an amazing (best?) terran, why has he won 0 individual events, and in his entire career his greatest individual achievement was a mighty single GSL semifinal? Surely his results would be at least slightly better if he was as great as you think he is. Dont get me wrong I like gumi as much as the next guy, but there is like no reason to consider him clearly better than flash and innovation. Thats a little silly.

It's nigh vomit-inducing how grossly overrated Flash and Innovation are right now. Flash knows like one BO and gets slammed by any cheese. Gumi's results put him far ahead of Inno.


What results are you referring to? This is HotS, not WoL. Flash has a second place finish at MLG. Gumiho's all-kill was in 2012. Im not saying Gumiho isn't ridiculously good. Innovation and Flash have shown what they can do many times since HotS has come out. Gumiho hasn't.


This. Even if you believe Flash and Innovation are slightly overhype, Gumiho has nothing that puts him above them.

GSL Ro32 does put Gumiho above Innovation.

Questionable. Yes, Gumiho beat Rain when Innovation lost, but maps and seeing what Rain did against him gives him an edge. Note that innovation went on to 2-0 rain in the end.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
April 26 2013 00:34 GMT
#1979
--- Nuked ---
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
April 26 2013 00:36 GMT
#1980
On April 26 2013 09:15 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 09:11 Thrillz wrote:
On April 26 2013 08:59 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 07:13 Thrillz wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:38 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
On April 26 2013 06:13 Dodgin wrote:
Bomber has better TvP than gumiho

I beg to differ.


You may beg to differ, but no many people do. Bomber is known as a beastly, likely the best, TvPer and has the wins/winrate to back it all up. Gumiho is not known for his TvP and doesn't have the winrate to back it up. Sure Bomber may have a day where he does his usual bomb out, but he is the better TvPer.

This is just plain wrong; TvP is traditionally GuMiho's strongest mu, and GuMiho himself has stated that he is by far most confident vP. GuMi is the superior TvP'er.


Keep dreaming.

Speak for yourself. Go ahead and look up the facts if you don't believe me; otherwise, can it. It's bad enough to draw definitive conclusions in the absence of sufficient proof...but to draw conclusions that go against the proof? Now that's something I hadn't heard of up till now.

A bit angry over something so trivial are we? Relax. People have opinions.
Refer to my post.
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