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Poll: Head?KT Rolster (12) 50% CJ Entus (12) 50% 24 total votes Your vote: Head? (Vote): KT Rolster
(Vote): CJ Entus
Poll: Heart?KT Rolster (11) 50% CJ Entus (11) 50% 22 total votes Your vote: Heart? (Vote): KT Rolster
(Vote): CJ Entus
Poll: Final Score?KT Rolster 4-3 CJ Entus (7) 39% KT Rolster 2-4 CJ Entus (4) 22% KT Rolster 3-4 CJ Entus (3) 17% KT Rolster 4-1 CJ Entus (2) 11% KT Rolster 4-2 CJ Entus (2) 11% KT Rolster 4-0 CJ Entus (0) 0% KT Rolster 1-4 CJ Entus (0) 0% KT Rolster 0-4 CJ Entus (0) 0% 18 total votes Your vote: Final Score? (Vote): KT Rolster 4-0 CJ Entus
(Vote): KT Rolster 4-1 CJ Entus
(Vote): KT Rolster 4-2 CJ Entus
(Vote): KT Rolster 4-3 CJ Entus
(Vote): KT Rolster 3-4 CJ Entus
(Vote): KT Rolster 2-4 CJ Entus
(Vote): KT Rolster 1-4 CJ Entus
(Vote): KT Rolster 0-4 CJ Entus
Poll: Most anticipated match?Stats vs Bbyong (7) 35% Flash vs rare (6) 30% Crazy vs EffOrt (5) 25% Zest (Wooki) vs Bong (1) 5% BarrackS vs herO (1) 5% Cacia vs Hydra (0) 0% 20 total votes Your vote: Most anticipated match? (Vote): Zest (Wooki) vs Bong
(Vote): BarrackS vs herO
(Vote): Crazy vs EffOrt
(Vote): Flash vs rare
(Vote): Stats vs Bbyong
(Vote): Cacia vs Hydra
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Prediction
Zest > Bong
BarrackS < herO
Crazy > EffOrt
Flash > rare
Stats > Bbyong
KT Rolster 4 - 1 CJ Entus
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100 % certainty rare will make an all-in. Let's see if FlaSh still plays very greedy.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
thanks wintex! i shall cheer for CJ
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Rare the sacrificial lamb.
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herO, Effort, Bbyong, please win, so Hydra can try and win a fucking game for a change.
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I really hope KT wins this one. Last round and a half have been a disaster for them. Here's to KT redeeming themselves and finishing out this round strong
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Prediction:
Zest > Bong
BarrackS < herO
Crazy < EffOrt
Flash > rare
Stats > Bbyong
Cacia < Hydra
Ace:
Flash > herO
KT 4 - 3 CJ
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Waaaaaaah no Jo Byung Se but oh well CJ GOGOOGOGOGOGO~
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two PvTs on Naro & Fighting Spirit should be awesome. Man if CJ doesnt win this !_!
and why did my man Snow not have a chance? CJ could really use some good terran considering him getting to code A qualifier final
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On April 21 2013 13:40 Arceus wrote:
two PvTs on Naro & Fighting Spirit should be awesome. Man if CJ doesnt win this !_!
and why did my man Snow not have a chance? CJ could really use some good terran considering him getting to code A qualifier final
I miss snow :'(
Aligulactions cos i'm bored!~~:D
Zest-Bong
+ Show Spoiler + (1229) Zest 0-0 Bong (1014)
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59.10% 1-0 0-1 40.90%
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59.10% 40.90%
Median outcome: Zest 1-0 Bong
Rax-herO
+ Show Spoiler + (886) BarrackS 0-0 herO (1390)
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29.70% 1-0 0-1 70.30%
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29.70% 70.30%
Median outcome: BarrackS 0-1 herO
Crazy-Effort
+ Show Spoiler + (1157) Crazy 0-0 EffOrt (1575)
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32.75% 1-0 0-1 67.25%
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32.75% 67.25%
Median outcome: Crazy 0-1 EffOrt
Flash-Rare
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75.84% 1-0 0-1 24.16%
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75.84% 24.16%
Median outcome: Flash 1-0 rare
Stats-Bballer
+ Show Spoiler + (1351) Stats 0-0 Bbyong (1410)
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47.46% 1-0 0-1 52.54%
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47.46% 52.54%
Median outcome: Stats 0-1 Bbyong
Cacia-Hydrawesome
+ Show Spoiler + (968) Acacia 0-0 Hydra (1119)
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43.57% 1-0 0-1 56.43%
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43.57% 56.43%
Median outcome: Acacia 0-1 Hydra [small]Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.
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These matchups look like the whole thing could be really close, also, only half of them are mirrors! Hope Flash and Hydra and herO can get back on their grooves!
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On April 21 2013 14:02 Hier wrote:
New KT uniform?
Maybe they're meant to be more classy or something? Only white with some gold.
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New KT uniform ugly
CJ STILL SEXY:D *o*
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The new jackets are white - same colour as the shirts - creating terrible contrast. The old ones go better with them.
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On April 21 2013 14:04 slowbacontron wrote:Maybe they're meant to be more classy or something? Only white with some gold.
Whoever thinks that "gold" and "classy" can be in the same sentence without any hint of irony does not live on my same planet. 
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On April 21 2013 14:08 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 14:04 slowbacontron wrote:On April 21 2013 14:02 Hier wrote:
New KT uniform? Maybe they're meant to be more classy or something? Only white with some gold. Whoever thinks that "gold" and "classy" can be in the same sentence without any hint of irony does not live on my same planet.
Ahh, what do I know, lol
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uggh. old kt uniforms much better than this one.
anyways, 4-1 KT with herO winning
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C'mon Flash, do it do it!
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I like the Korean flag on the collar. Otherwise, it sucks
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Some TIL going down. CJ EntertainUs vs. KT Sports
And P7GAB nearly living up to his name :o
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Zealots in Zest's main, then attack in Bong's main. Neither did lasting damage but was pretty aggressive.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
zest bong strangely appropriate for today
edit: yesterday.
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This game essentially==Penix wars. Zest currently winning.
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
so PvP seems less fun to watch than it was at the end of wings.
What is it like to play protoss players?
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On April 21 2013 10:35 Diaresta wrote:
Prediction:
Zest > Bong
BarrackS < herO
Crazy < EffOrt
Flash > rare
Stats > Bbyong
Cacia < Hydra
Ace:
Flash > herO
KT 4 - 3 CJ
In theory it should look like this, in reality, KT will find any way possible to fuck it up. I'm sure there's going to be an ace match and I can't wait to see what happens. Flash's confidence has been crushed so many times in the booth, will they send out Stats again? Think it'll be Flash - herO though, and I dare say I think Flash will be the hero.
Now I've totally gone and cursed him
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I'm curious what protoss snipe build barracks has planned.
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lol Adidas for KT & Nike for SKT
it all makes sense now
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United States7483 Posts
On April 21 2013 14:33 bobdabillda wrote:
If phoenixes usually have full energy, can having a few templars feedback them be a good counter? Or is tech switch too much of a hassle?
Too expensive, you're basically just hoping against hope that he won't attack while your transition is occuring. Otherwise, he'll have more phoenix, crush your air army, and lift your templar and kill them off as you build them. Problem is the gas cost of going templar is insane, and just building the templar archives is 2 phoenix. Hell, templar aren't even mobile enough to keep up with your own phoenix, so you'd have to turtle and hope your opponent doesn't attack at the other bases where the templar aren't. Templar are more gas expensive than pheonix, so it's not a good trade.
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TLADT24920 Posts
LOL at the couple. She sees it, covers then he's looking, gets surprised then partly covers XD
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Haven't seen herO played much off late, especially during his losing streak, but he does seem more tensed than the last time I remember watching him. It's such a pity, love to see that cute smug look back on his face.
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Did he say anything about Classic on anti??
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On April 21 2013 14:45 BigFan wrote:
LOL at the couple. She sees it, covers then he's looking, gets surprised then partly covers XD
she looked a bit like a female DRG
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Is the first game not over yet? OP does not seem to be updating, or this is possibly the longest PvP ever.
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Haha, a girl tried to cover the guy for him.
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Whiplash needs to Google for "synonyms of humongous".
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barracks getting crushed.
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omg the Terran is getting destroyed 
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TLADT24920 Posts
On April 21 2013 14:47 caradoc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 14:45 BigFan wrote:
LOL at the couple. She sees it, covers then he's looking, gets surprised then partly covers XD she looked a bit like a female DRG
does she? lol.
Terran playing badly ><
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Even the SCV prearing to make the third lost his fight with the probe, simply nothing is working here for barracks.
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On April 21 2013 14:49 Garnet wrote:
Whiplash needs to Google for "synonyms of humongous".
I don't think there was any back in broodwar.
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On April 21 2013 14:47 Xpace wrote:
Is the first game not over yet? OP does not seem to be updating, or this is possibly the longest PvP ever.
Sorry. overslept.
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hmm i thought barracks was winning when he got the stalkers from a misblink.
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TLADT24920 Posts
Poll: Recommend game 2?No (8) 89% If you have time (1) 11% Yes (0) 0% 9 total votes Your vote: Recommend game 2? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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That was weird he had an empty bunker, also no repair at all...
he pulled the scv way too late...
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Poll: Recommend Zest vs Bong?If you have time! (3) 50% Yes! (2) 33% Nope. (1) 17% 6 total votes Your vote: Recommend Zest vs Bong? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): If you have time!
(Vote): Nope.
Poll: Recommend BarrackS vs herO[jOin]?Nope. (4) 50% If you have time! (3) 38% Yes! (1) 13% 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend BarrackS vs herO[jOin]? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): If you have time!
(Vote): Nope.
Sorry sorry sorry. TTTTTTT
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Well, this has the potential to be a great ZvZ.
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Effort took some weight, no ?
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Can't find the image on a quick search D: Does someone have the link?
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What's awesome about that OSL is that Effort won it when he can't even beat shine and gogo
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Lol couples trying to weather out the disconnect.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Holy shit ACACIA is going to play?
Whuuuuuuut
KT getting desperate
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On April 21 2013 15:15 lichter wrote:
Holy shit ACACIA is going to play?
Whuuuuuuut
KT getting desperate
He's evolved to Cacia.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
On April 21 2013 15:15 lichter wrote:
Holy shit ACACIA is going to play?
Whuuuuuuut
KT getting desperate
what wrong with letting acacia play?
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The shot of parting when bogus wins the engagement is cutenessfOu.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 21 2013 15:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:15 lichter wrote:
Holy shit ACACIA is going to play?
Whuuuuuuut
KT getting desperate what wrong with letting acacia play?
First game this season
I remember him being terrible in Hybrid though that was a long time ago lol
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On April 21 2013 15:21 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:On April 21 2013 15:15 lichter wrote:
Holy shit ACACIA is going to play?
Whuuuuuuut
KT getting desperate what wrong with letting acacia play? First game this season I remember him being terrible in Hybrid though that was a long time ago lol
Everyone was terrible at that time though. And he did win his game if I remember correctly.
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On April 21 2013 15:21 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:On April 21 2013 15:15 lichter wrote:
Holy shit ACACIA is going to play?
Whuuuuuuut
KT getting desperate what wrong with letting acacia play? First game this season I remember him being terrible in Hybrid though that was a long time ago lol
Innovation finished hybrid SPL with no wins, at second to last place in rankings overall. It means nothing whatsoever.
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On April 21 2013 15:22 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:21 lichter wrote:On April 21 2013 15:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:On April 21 2013 15:15 lichter wrote:
Holy shit ACACIA is going to play?
Whuuuuuuut
KT getting desperate what wrong with letting acacia play? First game this season I remember him being terrible in Hybrid though that was a long time ago lol Everyone was terrible at that time though. And he did win his game if I remember correctly.
Yeah and I think he's also somewhat well-known for being one of the 1-pointers whom people were getting for the KT team win points lol 
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Really? For some reason I don't remember that
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Poll: Recommend Crazy vs EffOrt?Nope. (7) 78% Yes! (1) 11% If you have time. (1) 11% 9 total votes Your vote: Recommend Crazy vs EffOrt? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): If you have time.
(Vote): Nope.
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Great zergling micro from EffOrt, well played !
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Finally get to see flash gogo!! Really hope he's able to show the level of play he was in individual leagues >.<
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Sorry crazy, that trade for 3 banes was not good...
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How can there but 8.5k viewers on the english stream and only 4 pages of comments...Is it just that there is a special bread of forum posters who fill out the lr thread and those guys just arnt here?
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On April 21 2013 15:13 slowbacontron wrote:
Can't find the image on a quick search D: Does someone have the link?
Is this what you're looking for?
+ Show Spoiler +
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On April 21 2013 15:32 Maghetti wrote:
How can there but 8.5k viewers on the english stream and only 4 pages of comments...Is it just that there is a special bread of forum posters who fill out the lr thread and those guys just arnt here?
games haven't really been that interesting. Also the players who've played aren't that popular except for flash.
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20 - 15 is such an odd record for Flash.
Edit: Btw plz give us player theme songs again, KeSPA.
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On April 21 2013 15:38 Wintex wrote:
20 - 15 is such an odd record for Flash.
Edit: Btw plz give us player theme songs again, KeSPA.
Makes me wonder if a bonjwa is possible in SC2.
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On April 21 2013 15:40 DemigodcelpH wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:38 Wintex wrote:
20 - 15 is such an odd record for Flash.
Edit: Btw plz give us player theme songs again, KeSPA. Makes me wonder if a bonjwa is possible in SC2.
edit: nvm lol
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I still can't get used to these CJ entus prep school uniforms. Bring back the old ones!
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On April 21 2013 15:40 DemigodcelpH wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:38 Wintex wrote:
20 - 15 is such an odd record for Flash.
Edit: Btw plz give us player theme songs again, KeSPA. Makes me wonder if a bonjwa is possible in SC2.
The lack of player theme songs will not affect them that much.
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SCV got fooled by that overlord
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Woah, just came and Flash is playing.
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That scout!
Flashing playing less greedy this game.
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the hatch looks awesome with that CJ logo. Much props to whoever designs those
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this is the first flash tvz I've seen where he didn't get a quick 3rd cc
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On April 21 2013 15:42 EpiK wrote:
I still can't get used to these CJ entus prep school uniforms. Bring back the old ones!
ffs most sexy uniforms on the market atm
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Rare microing that drone that got targeted by the widow mine into the extractor 
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rare forgetting roach speed?
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Hah that widow mine shot went chasing that drone into the extractor...I wonder if it actually killed the drone.
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200 supply vs 140 supply for a moment in Flash's favor. TT
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k just for rare or zergs vs flash creep tumors hsould be widow mines :D
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I only come here to say how terrible the observer is
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wtf is this flash loses like all his marines to banelings and then still kills rare's army
flacro too stronk T_T
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That is many medivac, yes?
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4th base for zerg started and denied. Flash is creating his fifth TT
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lol flash has like 30 marines just sitting in main/nat
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I still don't understand how you can stay under 200 minerals every... fucking... game... God's macro is just... godlike :D
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flash seriously makes this matchup look broken right now. he is so good and all over the place. He makes it nearly impossible to engage his armies in a cost effective manner for the zergie, and as a result builds a bigger and bigger lead throughout the game. incredible play
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On April 21 2013 15:56 Douillos wrote:
I still don't understand how you can stay under 200 minerals every... fucking... game... God's macro is just... godlike :D
I love how the second you mention it, he sky rockets to 1,1-1,7k and stays there because of being maxed.
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3base ultra allin incoming :D
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Why arent Z s utilising Vipers or baiting mines with locusts?
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On April 21 2013 15:56 Douillos wrote:
I still don't understand how you can stay under 200 minerals every... fucking... game... God's macro is just... godlike :D
i dno man, just make marines?
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Poll: Recommend Flash vs rare?Yes! (24) 92% If you have time. (1) 4% Nope. (1) 4% 26 total votes Your vote: Recommend Flash vs rare? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): If you have time.
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mass scans bm. Youngjoo was cooler yesterday.
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Nice to see Flash using a different opening vs zerg!
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United Kingdom20284 Posts
Flash won so long ago, i really love the 16 medivacs though.. Flash did that pretty much since the first sc2 games we saw of him, more people need to.. seriously, most underused overpowered combat unit ever, overmake them and then fall back.. If it's even possible to overmake medivacs from one starport.
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On April 21 2013 15:58 PVJ wrote:
Why arent Z s utilising Vipers or baiting mines with locusts?
vipers aren't good vs bio
neither are swarm hosts..
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On April 21 2013 15:58 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:56 Douillos wrote:
I still don't understand how you can stay under 200 minerals every... fucking... game... God's macro is just... godlike :D I love how the second you mention it, he sky rockets to 1,1-1,7k and stays there because of being maxed.
Yeah, I got this thing with timings :D
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On April 21 2013 15:57 Gojira621 wrote:
flash seriously makes this matchup look broken right now. he is so good and all over the place. He makes it nearly impossible to engage his armies in a cost effective manner for the zergie, and as a result builds a bigger and bigger lead throughout the game. incredible play
the match up is in fact broken
User was temp banned for this post.
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It's official. Behold Flash of the Swarm.
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damn Flash makes Terran look so strong
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Rare died with a whole bunch of money. Need to hit those injects.
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Holy shit, flash is just too good... Making this style look too good, so beastly
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Yeah ok, I'm Terran and didn't want to admit it, but mines are broken against Zerg. Other Terrans just don't know how to use them.
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On April 21 2013 15:59 Cyro wrote:
Flash won so long ago, i really love the 16 medivacs though.. Flash did that pretty much since the first sc2 games we saw of him, more people need to.. seriously, most underused overpowered combat unit ever, overmake them and then fall back.. If it's even possible to overmake medivacs from one starport.
Yeah, it makes the infestor which come out a bit later look ridiculous :D
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On April 21 2013 15:57 Gojira621 wrote:
flash seriously makes this matchup look broken right now. he is so good and all over the place. He makes it nearly impossible to engage his armies in a cost effective manner for the zergie, and as a result builds a bigger and bigger lead throughout the game. incredible play
Flash also made both TvZ and TvP look broken in BW.
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This Flash guy is pretty good.
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On April 21 2013 15:59 rothsbury wrote:
Rare died with a whole bunch of money. Need to hit those injects.
He was waiting for ultra cavern
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On April 21 2013 15:59 Dudasc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:57 Gojira621 wrote:
flash seriously makes this matchup look broken right now. he is so good and all over the place. He makes it nearly impossible to engage his armies in a cost effective manner for the zergie, and as a result builds a bigger and bigger lead throughout the game. incredible play the match up is in fact broken
no way bro Flash is just too good.
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Feel bad for rare, he looks so heartbroken to have lost.
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On April 21 2013 16:01 Lunareste wrote:
Feel bad for rare, he looks so heartbroken to have lost.
yeah but he shouldn't. He put up a good fight considering this is his second PL match.
On April 21 2013 16:00 Empirimancer wrote:
Yeah ok, I'm Terran and didn't want to admit it, but mines are broken against Zerg. Other Terrans just don't know how to use them.
say that to life and roro
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On April 21 2013 15:58 PVJ wrote:
Why arent Z s utilising Vipers or baiting mines with locusts?
1) Whirlwind is too big to use locusts defensively, as a quick unburrow+move to a different area is no problem
2) Vipers are pretty expensive when you constantly have to remake ling/bane to stay alive vs drops and bio all over the place, along with bio mobility leaving blinding not very effective since they just back up.
3) Flash actually didn't leave a ton of burrowed mines in the middle for that long-mostly his mines were traveling with his army, so Rare couldn't just locust walk through a minefield because he didn't know where the mines were before he was forced to engage
4) Rare committed to infestors and so didn't have the money to also get SH or viper
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On April 21 2013 15:57 Gojira621 wrote:
flash seriously makes this matchup look broken right now. he is so good and all over the place. He makes it nearly impossible to engage his armies in a cost effective manner for the zergie, and as a result builds a bigger and bigger lead throughout the game. incredible play
It's how he made BW TvZ look towards the end too with 17 wins - 2 losses. As long as he doesn't lose to an all-in he just macros his way ahead, trades decently and never takes his foot off the other guy's throat. I wouldn't say the mu is broken but Flash vs Z certainly is.
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On April 21 2013 16:01 EpiK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:00 Empirimancer wrote:
Yeah ok, I'm Terran and didn't want to admit it, but mines are broken against Zerg. Other Terrans just don't know how to use them.
tell that to life and roro
they both agree
edit: actually even blizzard agrees
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On April 21 2013 15:59 RKC wrote:
It's official. Behold Flash of the Swarm.
![[image loading]](http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205277_501646716562617_621253095_n.jpg)
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On April 21 2013 15:33 Hier wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 15:13 slowbacontron wrote:
Can't find the image on a quick search D: Does someone have the link? Is this what you're looking for? + Show Spoiler +
I was off for a while but yes, thanks! Haha
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On April 21 2013 15:57 Gojira621 wrote:
flash seriously makes this matchup look broken right now. he is so good and all over the place. He makes it nearly impossible to engage his armies in a cost effective manner for the zergie, and as a result builds a bigger and bigger lead throughout the game. incredible play
dude..... what? that has nothing to do with a matchup...... your comparing a multiple osl/msl champion to a guy who's overall record was 0-1 this season. no shit he's gonna get stomped....hots actually making the better players win now compared with wol where anyone who can use infestors and broodlords won the game...
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thanks I didn't want to sleep tonight anyways
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On April 21 2013 16:01 Dudasc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:01 EpiK wrote:On April 21 2013 16:00 Empirimancer wrote:
Yeah ok, I'm Terran and didn't want to admit it, but mines are broken against Zerg. Other Terrans just don't know how to use them.
tell that to life and roro they both agree
Actually not true at aaaaaalll....
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Guys stop saying Terran is OP based off of Flash's games. Seriously if Flash didn't totally roflstomp that zerg there would problem with terran. One of the best terrans in the world is making TvZ look easy doesn't mean anything.
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On April 21 2013 16:04 GTPGlitch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:01 Dudasc wrote:On April 21 2013 16:01 EpiK wrote:On April 21 2013 16:00 Empirimancer wrote:
Yeah ok, I'm Terran and didn't want to admit it, but mines are broken against Zerg. Other Terrans just don't know how to use them.
tell that to life and roro they both agree Actually not true at aaaaaalll....
I think you are being sarcastic but just in case: they said it themselves many times
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On April 21 2013 16:04 GTPGlitch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:01 Dudasc wrote:On April 21 2013 16:01 EpiK wrote:On April 21 2013 16:00 Empirimancer wrote:
Yeah ok, I'm Terran and didn't want to admit it, but mines are broken against Zerg. Other Terrans just don't know how to use them.
tell that to life and roro they both agree Actually not true at aaaaaalll....
Didn't Life say he likes playing vT atm or something.
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On April 21 2013 16:04 Wojciech Zywny wrote:
Guys stop saying Terran is OP based off of Flash's games. Seriously if Flash didn't totally roflstomp that zerg there would problem with terran. One of the best terrans in the world is making TvZ look easy doesn't mean anything.
It's pretty funny that people got so used to unknown zergs with no accomplishments to speak of beating top-end terrans all the time in WoL that they think it should be the same way in HoTs.
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On April 21 2013 16:04 Wojciech Zywny wrote:
Guys stop saying Terran is OP based off of Flash's games. Seriously if Flash didn't totally roflstomp that zerg there would problem with terran. One of the best terrans in the world is making TvZ look easy doesn't mean anything.
no one is saying terran is OP based of Flash's games (mostly like based on statistics). Its just dumb people saying that flash makes the match up look broken when the match up is in fact broken. Even blizzard already said that mines are gonna get nerfed
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On April 21 2013 16:05 Dudasc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:04 GTPGlitch wrote:On April 21 2013 16:01 Dudasc wrote:On April 21 2013 16:01 EpiK wrote:On April 21 2013 16:00 Empirimancer wrote:
Yeah ok, I'm Terran and didn't want to admit it, but mines are broken against Zerg. Other Terrans just don't know how to use them.
tell that to life and roro they both agree Actually not true at aaaaaalll.... I think you are being sarcastic but just in case: they said it themselves many times
If you could find me an instance of either one saying so, I'd love to see it.
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On April 21 2013 16:05 Dudasc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:04 GTPGlitch wrote:On April 21 2013 16:01 Dudasc wrote:On April 21 2013 16:01 EpiK wrote:On April 21 2013 16:00 Empirimancer wrote:
Yeah ok, I'm Terran and didn't want to admit it, but mines are broken against Zerg. Other Terrans just don't know how to use them.
tell that to life and roro they both agree Actually not true at aaaaaalll.... I think you are being sarcastic but just in case: they said it themselves many times
yeah and they both play zerg. seriously you don't know this by now? everyone says their race is the weakest
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So much downtime. I wonder what they do with these unnecessarily long breaks.
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On April 21 2013 16:07 KanoCoke wrote:
So much downtime. I wonder what they do with these unnecessarily long breaks.
Commercials. This is a TV broadcast you know.
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Any other Terran player, I believe, would rush for some timing attack or build a 3rd CC, after seeing the Zerg's 3rd expo. But Flash just kept calm, stuck to his gameplan, harass-macro beautifully without overcommitting, and still stayed ahead. Amazing.
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On April 21 2013 16:07 KanoCoke wrote:
So much downtime. I wonder what they do with these unnecessarily long breaks.
Play mass ads for all that Kespa $$
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I watch Proleague through VLC and they just run the same Korean commercials over and over again.
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On April 21 2013 16:07 Wojciech Zywny wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:05 Dudasc wrote:On April 21 2013 16:04 GTPGlitch wrote:On April 21 2013 16:01 Dudasc wrote:On April 21 2013 16:01 EpiK wrote:On April 21 2013 16:00 Empirimancer wrote:
Yeah ok, I'm Terran and didn't want to admit it, but mines are broken against Zerg. Other Terrans just don't know how to use them.
tell that to life and roro they both agree Actually not true at aaaaaalll.... I think you are being sarcastic but just in case: they said it themselves many times yeah and they both play zerg. seriously you don't know this by now? everyone says their race is the weakest
I was just replying the guy. He still thinks for some reason that pros thinks that zvt is balanced
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To be totally honest. Look at Life a mere 3-4 days after launch. He played magnificently versus them. He made ZvT imbalanced just by playing well. Flash shows great mine usage, but this wasn't an indicator of his skill.
Flash is playing versus a nervous second timer in PL. That second timer is playing versus Flash. It's hard, man.
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It means nothing. Flash is just being Flash. In BW PvT it was usually the Terrans who complained about the matchup and If you saw these games it looked like the matchup was completely one-sided in Terran's favor. It actually LOOKED imba.
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On April 21 2013 16:08 Dodgin wrote:
I watch Proleague through VLC and they just run the same Korean commercials over and over again.
sounds like every twitch channel I watch
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Did Jaedong hook up with the hot yellow girl yet?
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let's hope that Stats wont turtle on 3 bases and go max skytoss
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On April 21 2013 16:10 unoriginalname wrote:
I miss Stats' chin.
did Stats use to have a weird chin? Did he get plastic surgery or something?
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On April 21 2013 16:09 Wintex wrote:
To be totally honest. Look at Life a mere 3-4 days after launch. He played magnificently versus them. He made ZvT imbalanced just by playing well. Flash shows great mine usage, but this wasn't an indicator of his skill.
Flash is playing versus a nervous second timer in PL. That second timer is playing versus Flash. It's hard, man.
I thought rare played solid, if not magical or perfect. He didn't make any rookie mistakes, and held on well against Flash's multi-prong harrass.
Compared his play to barracks', who just fell apart, really.
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On April 21 2013 16:12 Wojciech Zywny wrote:did Stats use to have a weird chin? Did he get plastic surgery or something?
He did. It caused him health problems so he had it fixed a couple years ago i believe.
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On April 21 2013 16:12 Arceus wrote:
let's hope that Stats wont turtle on 3 bases and go max skytoss
Skytoss vs Terran huh :D
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On April 21 2013 16:13 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:12 Arceus wrote:
let's hope that Stats wont turtle on 3 bases and go max skytoss Skytoss vs Terran huh :D
he's probably thinking of BW carriers
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On April 21 2013 16:09 Wintex wrote:
To be totally honest. Look at Life a mere 3-4 days after launch. He played magnificently versus them. He made ZvT imbalanced just by playing well. Flash shows great mine usage, but this wasn't an indicator of his skill.
Flash is playing versus a nervous second timer in PL. That second timer is playing versus Flash. It's hard, man.
WMs admittedly don't look OP to me when it's not someone like Innovation or especially Flash using them. But when I see Flash use them against Zerg I just don't see what the Zerg could have done, even with Life-like control. I hope we see Life vs Flash in the GSL in a BO5 or in the finals, that should settle things.
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On April 21 2013 16:12 Wojciech Zywny wrote:did Stats use to have a weird chin? Did he get plastic surgery or something?
He and Mind did. Now Classic is the only Chintoss.
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Missed the Flash game. Domination?
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On April 21 2013 16:15 trinxified wrote:
Missed the Flash game. Domination?
naturally
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On April 21 2013 16:12 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:09 Wintex wrote:
To be totally honest. Look at Life a mere 3-4 days after launch. He played magnificently versus them. He made ZvT imbalanced just by playing well. Flash shows great mine usage, but this wasn't an indicator of his skill.
Flash is playing versus a nervous second timer in PL. That second timer is playing versus Flash. It's hard, man. I thought rare played solid, if not magical or perfect. He didn't make any rookie mistakes, and held on well against Flash's multi-prong harrass. Compared his play to barracks', who just fell apart, really.
Problem was that he never tried to protect his morphing 4ths. BarrackS played fine, but, like rare, collapsed after a certain while (what I gathered from watching the later parts of the game).
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hmm needed to target fire from zee bunkaaa
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On April 21 2013 16:14 Empirimancer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:09 Wintex wrote:
To be totally honest. Look at Life a mere 3-4 days after launch. He played magnificently versus them. He made ZvT imbalanced just by playing well. Flash shows great mine usage, but this wasn't an indicator of his skill.
Flash is playing versus a nervous second timer in PL. That second timer is playing versus Flash. It's hard, man. WMs admittedly don't look OP to me when it's not someone like Innovation or especially Flash using them. But when I see Flash use them against Zerg I just don't see what the Zerg could have done, even with Life-like control. I hope we see Life vs Flash in the GSL in a BO5 or in the finals, that should settle things.
MLG had a final with both of them playing. Life countered them with lings. Flash probably got a major hit off 5 or so times in 6 games.
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wms can get countered by sniping muta flocks, good ling micro and they get shat on by ultras, I don't see any problem whenever I offrace zerg, on the contrary.
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On April 21 2013 16:16 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:14 Empirimancer wrote:On April 21 2013 16:09 Wintex wrote:
To be totally honest. Look at Life a mere 3-4 days after launch. He played magnificently versus them. He made ZvT imbalanced just by playing well. Flash shows great mine usage, but this wasn't an indicator of his skill.
Flash is playing versus a nervous second timer in PL. That second timer is playing versus Flash. It's hard, man. WMs admittedly don't look OP to me when it's not someone like Innovation or especially Flash using them. But when I see Flash use them against Zerg I just don't see what the Zerg could have done, even with Life-like control. I hope we see Life vs Flash in the GSL in a BO5 or in the finals, that should settle things. MLG had a final with both of them playing. Life countered them with lings. Flash probably got a major hit off 5 or so times in 6 games.
Specifically, Life ran his lings just far enough away from the WMs so that they couldn't lock on to any one of them :O
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On April 21 2013 16:16 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:14 Empirimancer wrote:On April 21 2013 16:09 Wintex wrote:
To be totally honest. Look at Life a mere 3-4 days after launch. He played magnificently versus them. He made ZvT imbalanced just by playing well. Flash shows great mine usage, but this wasn't an indicator of his skill.
Flash is playing versus a nervous second timer in PL. That second timer is playing versus Flash. It's hard, man. WMs admittedly don't look OP to me when it's not someone like Innovation or especially Flash using them. But when I see Flash use them against Zerg I just don't see what the Zerg could have done, even with Life-like control. I hope we see Life vs Flash in the GSL in a BO5 or in the finals, that should settle things. MLG had a final with both of them playing. Life countered them with lings. Flash probably got a major hit off 5 or so times in 6 games.
I know, but Flash's WM usage has improved since then. We'll see (hopefully).
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pffft. forcefields are for the weak... who needs forcefields
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Poll: Recommend Stats vs Bbyong?Nope. (6) 40% Yes! (5) 33% If you have time. (4) 27% 15 total votes Your vote: Recommend Stats vs Bbyong? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): If you have time.
(Vote): Nope.
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I wasn't expecting Stats to lose at all. Hydra should be much better than Cacia, CJ has this in the bag.
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Cacia and Flash have to win to save my FPL.
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Oh come on stats... could have gotten 4 FPL wins today but khan got 4-0'd before light and roro could even play, and now stats losing like that
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good timing, good emp, Stats lakcs some scouting. everything just work right for Bballer. Hope that team will seed other race than protoss in this map -_-
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Ah poor Stats :/ ...C'mon Cacia let's bring it to ace match please! ^^
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On April 21 2013 16:25 Arceus wrote:
good timing, good emp, Stats lakcs some scouting. everything just work right for Bballer. Hope that team will seed other race than protoss in this map -_-
stats had excellent scouting that game. He saw the attack coming with an observer. Wish stats had forcefields though.
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If Hydra closes it out now, Aligulac goes 6/6. Then again, the last two games (and maybe Zest-Bong) are the only ones that have reasonable doubt in outcome.
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I want that Ace-Match (go Flash!), so KT better win now.
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On April 21 2013 16:21 Empirimancer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:16 Wintex wrote:On April 21 2013 16:14 Empirimancer wrote:On April 21 2013 16:09 Wintex wrote:
To be totally honest. Look at Life a mere 3-4 days after launch. He played magnificently versus them. He made ZvT imbalanced just by playing well. Flash shows great mine usage, but this wasn't an indicator of his skill.
Flash is playing versus a nervous second timer in PL. That second timer is playing versus Flash. It's hard, man. WMs admittedly don't look OP to me when it's not someone like Innovation or especially Flash using them. But when I see Flash use them against Zerg I just don't see what the Zerg could have done, even with Life-like control. I hope we see Life vs Flash in the GSL in a BO5 or in the finals, that should settle things. MLG had a final with both of them playing. Life countered them with lings. Flash probably got a major hit off 5 or so times in 6 games. I know, but Flash's WM usage has improved since then. We'll see (hopefully).
The only problem with mines it require extra APM for zerg to find them and clean them, but a player like Life seems able to do it, I guess people will improve with times
Havent seen a terran yet switching mine location between denotation to avoid losing them... but this day will happen :D
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On April 21 2013 16:27 EpiK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:25 Arceus wrote:
good timing, good emp, Stats lakcs some scouting. everything just work right for Bballer. Hope that team will seed other race than protoss in this map -_- stats had excellent scouting that game. He saw the attack coming with an observer. Wish stats had forcefields though.
iirc the obs only saw medivacs healing a couple of marines but not that scv train (read:brutal allin)
If Hydra closes it out now, Aligulac goes 6/6. Then again, the last two games (and maybe Zest-Bong) are the only ones that have reasonable doubt in outcome
hydra actually looks like the worst SPL players since HotS come out I wouldnt think he has more than 50% to win this
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On April 21 2013 16:32 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:27 EpiK wrote:On April 21 2013 16:25 Arceus wrote:
good timing, good emp, Stats lakcs some scouting. everything just work right for Bballer. Hope that team will seed other race than protoss in this map -_- stats had excellent scouting that game. He saw the attack coming with an observer. Wish stats had forcefields though. iirc the obs only saw medivacs healing a couple of marines but not that scv train (read:brutal allin) Show nested quote +If Hydra closes it out now, Aligulac goes 6/6. Then again, the last two games (and maybe Zest-Bong) are the only ones that have reasonable doubt in outcome hydra actually looks like the worst SPL players since HotS come out I wouldnt think he has more than 50% to win this
Hydra did slaughter everyone one of the rounds tho.
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Cacia has this. Look at that upswing (2 losses and then he won). Even out your proleague record! GO!
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On April 21 2013 16:32 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +If Hydra closes it out now, Aligulac goes 6/6. Then again, the last two games (and maybe Zest-Bong) are the only ones that have reasonable doubt in outcome hydra actually looks like the worst SPL players since HotS come out I wouldnt think he has more than 50% to win this
Aligulac agrees lol D:
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Who is this Cacia? Is he a treant?
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return of the fanboys sounding like girl
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On April 21 2013 16:12 Wojciech Zywny wrote:did Stats use to have a weird chin? Did he get plastic surgery or something?
He did.
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Can't manage a day of SPL without technical difficulties. >_>
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On April 21 2013 16:36 RKC wrote:
Who is this Cacia? Is he a treant?
Cacia is Lacia, Cacia, Ares[Acacia] and Acacia.
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On April 21 2013 16:37 Arceus wrote:
return of the fanboys sounding like girl
If I were able to attend live, I would totally scream my heart out
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I just started watching. Did they have sound problems all day long or did it just start?
It's really annoying...
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And a perfect hold, i guess.
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Team Flash couldn't get to the ace match today, aw.
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Hydra and CJ finally off their losing streak, phew!
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oh god.... I THOUGHT CACIA WAS YELLOW....
Poll: Recommend Cacia vs Hydra?Nope. (5) 50% Yes! (3) 30% If you have time. (2) 20% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Cacia vs Hydra? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): If you have time.
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gg for Hydra to snap the losing streak. ^^
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Yay, Hydra just extended my liquibet streak
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That CJ fan has so much passion.
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ouch. Is it just me or was that rather bad by Cacia?
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Nextime maybe use Action :/
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wow can't believe KT really played this new guy. He's so bad. The entire series depends on him. If he wins KT gets to go to ace with Flash and probably win.... and he does an all in.... wow
I hope he feels ashamed. He just let KT down big time
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Such a nice hold by hydra. Cacia had like 50 zerglings and 10 banelings before Hydra made a first roach he ballin so hard
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For some reason, whenever I watch KT play, when Flash wins, KT loses, and vice versa.
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On April 21 2013 16:45 BigFan wrote:
ouch. Is it just me or was that rather bad by Cacia?
Well, if he had gone for the queens he would have lost that instantly if Hydra was awake, which he was. Best he could do in that position. It was a bad choice of strategy.
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Poll: Recommend KT Rolster vs CJ Entus Ace Match?Yes! (3) 38% If you have time. (3) 38% Nope. (2) 25% 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend KT Rolster vs CJ Entus Ace Match? (Vote): Yes!
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if only EffOrt/hydra/herO/Bbyong could perform as consistent as SoulKey/ZerO/sHy/Light
Anyway if we win even one match next week, top3 is wholly possible :p
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On April 21 2013 16:45 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
Nextime maybe use Action :/
I don't think they are actually trying to lose that badly.
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KT really cant just rely on Flash and Stats alone to bring in the victories every week.
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On April 21 2013 16:51 Hall0wed wrote:I don't think they are actually trying to lose that badly.
Mafia zerg is gonna cut you.
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On April 21 2013 07:15 Daswollvieh wrote:
herO, Effort, Bbyong, please win, so Hydra can try and win a fucking game for a change.
Thanks! 
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On April 21 2013 16:46 Wojciech Zywny wrote:
wow can't believe KT really played this new guy. He's so bad. The entire series depends on him. If he wins KT gets to go to ace with Flash and probably win.... and he does an all in.... wow
I hope he feels ashamed. He just let KT down big time
So did Rain in the first 10-15 games he played. He was infamous for throwing games that he had won quite handily because he couldn't finish them.
Was it a bad thing to give him play time? Is it bad to let a new player with potential get some experience, even at the cost of meaningless victories?
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On April 21 2013 16:49 Arceus wrote:
if only EffOrt/hydra/herO/Bbyong could perform as consistent as SoulKey/ZerO/sHy/Light
Anyway if we win even one match next week, top3 is wholly possible :p
bu-bu-bu
skyhigh!!!!!:C
anyyyyyways, cheers CJ gratz onb reaking the llossss streak so glad <3 :D
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On April 21 2013 16:59 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:46 Wojciech Zywny wrote:
wow can't believe KT really played this new guy. He's so bad. The entire series depends on him. If he wins KT gets to go to ace with Flash and probably win.... and he does an all in.... wow
I hope he feels ashamed. He just let KT down big time So did Rain in the first 10-15 games he played. He was infamous for throwing games that he had won quite handily because he couldn't finish them. Was it a bad thing to give him play time? Is it bad to let a new player with potential get some experience, even at the cost of meaningless victories?
KT are fighting for a playoff spot, surely there are better times to test new players...
especially today's game was very very important, for H2H
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Apologies for not waking up in time. Won't happen again.
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On April 21 2013 17:01 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:59 LegalLord wrote:On April 21 2013 16:46 Wojciech Zywny wrote:
wow can't believe KT really played this new guy. He's so bad. The entire series depends on him. If he wins KT gets to go to ace with Flash and probably win.... and he does an all in.... wow
I hope he feels ashamed. He just let KT down big time So did Rain in the first 10-15 games he played. He was infamous for throwing games that he had won quite handily because he couldn't finish them. Was it a bad thing to give him play time? Is it bad to let a new player with potential get some experience, even at the cost of meaningless victories? KT are fighting for a playoff spot, surely there are better times to test new players... especially today's game was very very important, for H2H
Were it quite close to the end (R6), I'd agree with you. But this is a good time to test players that could prove useful in the rounds to come. Maybe even useful in the playoffs.
It's not down to the wire yet, so it's not unreasonable to offer one spot for player testing.
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Damn you Bbyong, I wanted my Flash-herO ace match! I should've known you'd show up on 4/20...
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On April 21 2013 16:46 Wojciech Zywny wrote:
wow can't believe KT really played this new guy. He's so bad. The entire series depends on him. If he wins KT gets to go to ace with Flash and probably win.... and he does an all in.... wow
I hope he feels ashamed. He just let KT down big time
idiot^^
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flash vs rare was pretty nice, a good example of a "standard" tvz, although his early timing wasn't defended very well by rare it seems he lost a lot of drones to the drop and simultaneous push.
the calls by our casters were off as per usual, hyping possible roach aggression when the timing of the roach den (after third hatch, flash hadn't dropped a 3rd cc yet) could only be for defensive purposes..
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Flash played excellently against Rare. Great use of mutalisks, but Flash's tactics were so on point... astounding gameplay.
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On April 21 2013 17:31 asdfOu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 16:46 Wojciech Zywny wrote:
wow can't believe KT really played this new guy. He's so bad. The entire series depends on him. If he wins KT gets to go to ace with Flash and probably win.... and he does an all in.... wow
I hope he feels ashamed. He just let KT down big time idiot^^
All-ins are quite standard in this type of contest. Both sides want to play big entertaining matches, but that just won't happen unless they keep each other honest. All-ins every now and then keep players from happily committing outrageously greedy play, which would otherwise definitely happen too much.
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I took KTLolster as team this round, really didn't expect them to bum out this bad o.O
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On April 21 2013 19:19 ACrow wrote:
I took KTLolster as team this round, really didn't expect them to bum out this bad o.O
Same plan here. Should have gone for Samsung Khan instead...
Oh well, at least Flash won today.
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The recommended games sure look underwhelming as fuck
God still pulls through tho
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Wooki reached a 3-win streak. Bbyong broke Stats' streak.
Scoring:
CJ +3
Wooki +4
herO[jOin] +4
EffOrt +4
Flash +3
Bbyong +5
Hydra +4
all other CJ players +1
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Well done CJ!!
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I was on KT Rolster's side, the outcome surprised me. At least Flash won his match.
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Flash on winning streak now?
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On April 21 2013 19:26 Ctesias wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 19:19 ACrow wrote:
I took KTLolster as team this round, really didn't expect them to bum out this bad o.O Same plan here. Should have gone for Samsung Khan instead... Oh well, at least Flash won today.
I took STX SouL which cost the same points and im not regretting it
They have +6 in mapscore compared to Samsungs -3
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On April 21 2013 20:46 llIH wrote:Flash on winning streak now?
You can check this page.
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On April 21 2013 19:08 Kontys wrote:
Flash played excellently against Rare. Great use of mutalisks, but Flash's tactics were so on point... astounding gameplay.
Rare impressed me too, and Flash played As expected
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Flash played so well.
But KT, please buy a new player to help flash out.
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... As soon as I sell hydra, he wins a game. wtf.
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On April 21 2013 20:46 llIH wrote:Flash on winning streak now?
In Proleague this Round it was his first win after losing four games before that. Overall streak: WLLLLW
 Flash lost in 2 out of 2 ace games and only won 1 out of 3 regular games before today.
http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Stats.php?r=15&s=3&d=0
Let's see if this a turning point for him, given his stellar performance in GSL Code S a few days ago.
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What's scary is that he said TvZ is his weakest match up right now...
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On April 22 2013 00:02 ClairvoyanceSC2 wrote:
... As soon as I sell hydra, he wins a game. wtf.
RIGHT? T_T
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