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On April 22 2013 13:46 Astralamong wrote:
I really want to know if there will be a world final after NA EU KR Tournament and what will happen if the top64 or top32 in world final are all Korean.
Yes there will be a global final. I don't think that the Koreans will have 100% of the top 16 spots to the finals since there are many non-Korean players in EU (I think there are a total of 4 Koreans in EU). So the chance of all 16 being Korean is slim. The chance of a majority of the top 16 spots being Korean is basically a statistical certainty.
As to what will happen if there is an all Korean global final? Viewership might decline a bit, but it will still be the global finals, so people definitely will still watch regardless.
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On April 22 2013 13:51 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 13:46 Astralamong wrote:
I really want to know if there will be a world final after NA EU KR Tournament and what will happen if the top64 or top32 in world final are all Korean. I hope peeps will not look at nationality so much, and just enjoy the games between top performers. that would be best. Why is nationality such a big issue for some people? If u dont make it an issue it wont become one....
Actually, I dont care nationality but I dont want sc2 become another Broodwar. At least from business side, Korean market should not be the only focus.
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On April 22 2013 13:52 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 13:46 Astralamong wrote:
I really want to know if there will be a world final after NA EU KR Tournament and what will happen if the top64 or top32 in world final are all Korean. Yes there will be a global final. I don't think that the Koreans will have 100% of the top 16 spots to the finals since there are many non-Korean players in EU (I think there are a total of 4 Koreans in EU). So the chance of all 16 being Korean is slim. The chance of a majority of the top 16 spots being Korean is basically a statistical certainty. As to what will happen if there is an all Korean global final? Viewership might decline a bit, but it will still be the global finals, so people definitely will still watch regardless.
That's it! Like me, I dont play LOL a lot but I will happy to see a LOL team from my country show up on the final and I will try to follow every game of this team.
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I went to bed after Comm got DQ'd and the brackets were hidden on LP. Did I miss another controversy ?
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On April 22 2013 14:05 Astralamong wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 13:51 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 13:46 Astralamong wrote:
I really want to know if there will be a world final after NA EU KR Tournament and what will happen if the top64 or top32 in world final are all Korean. I hope peeps will not look at nationality so much, and just enjoy the games between top performers. that would be best. Why is nationality such a big issue for some people? If u dont make it an issue it wont become one.... Actually, I dont care nationality but I dont want sc2 become another Broodwar. At least from business side, Korean market should not be the only focus.
If the Korean market was the only focus we wouldn't have any tournaments in NA or EU.
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"NA" Premier is gonna be a goddamn joke with all the koreans.
I can't see more than max two actual NA players making any difference.
Now we just have to hope all the Challenger league koreans make it to the Premier so there is atleast real NA challenger league to keep eyes on...
Global finals are prolly gonna be about 90% of koreans :D. Gj Blizzard.
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Plus apocalypse since comm was DQed
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On April 22 2013 14:56 farnham wrote:Plus apocalypse since comm was DQed
Apoc is listed there...................
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ESL polished a turd, MLG polished a turd, no matter what they were both shining shit lol, so ESL did much better but MLG was trying its way of making some money... at least no real shutdowns or sound issues occurred, also we discovered some new casting talent in Shampoo. There were some silver linings!
As we all know people will watch, it may even get 100k-120k once it hits the RO64. I have always said, you want to grow you need personalities (which Koreans DO bring) and foreigner stories. Hopefully the latter will occur. It is now up to US to make our dreams come true, if we want eSports to grow, WE need to be the friendly ones, shake the hands and kiss a baby, be personable and once we come to play we gotta have flash and style and bring home victories, tweet your life stories and make people care about you.
Because, once two guys are in the booth, it isn't Blizzards fault you lost, its your own. We need to remember that and if NA players act entitled they won't get very far. This ain't the entitlement time any more. Put up or shut up. Actually do work, study who is in your bracket, find out tendencies, think of tactics, you can't outskill them? Try to metagame them, find anything that you can see as a weakness and play to that.
Know a SC2 GM pro? Have him/her do Korean tactics on you until you can beat them. Do 20 games where he just does widow mine drops. Another 20 of hellbats, then 20 more Oracle harrass. Controlled practice and improve your multitasking. Then do the same to him or her.
WE are the ones who will save eSports. By your behavior and your class, your promotion and character will get us 90% there. 5% will be sniping a few key Koreans, make them worried, use that home field advantage. You might start a steamroll effect.
The next few % is where the NA FANS come in. Cheer extra loud for your players. Maybe they bore you because they don't have the same inhuman skills, still you can manner up and allow yourself to stoop down to their level, they share a passion you do and they dream about beating the players you idolize. Allow them a chance into your hearts, maybe if you "adopt" a NA player you can see they have much you have in common.
Also, Twitch.tv chat, you can do better than this. Trolling isn't a sport. After awhile everyone acting as stupid as they can makes everyone stupid. Trolling would actually be being the only smart guy in the room. Talking shit about your players is classless. Heckling Incontrol was just embarrassing and TB has done so much for us and you still hate the guy.
Maybe think before you type if you want to expand eSports and new people try out the chat, they aren't sickened by the display and decide this is a place they want to spend their time.
A special message to casters: You do your best and I want you to know you are appreciated by 99% of us, fuck the haters.
There are things you can change, do a little more research into your players, maybe interview them a bit pregame, bring us an idea about the drama thats unfolding. Find out what each game means a little more, not knowing the stakes gets boring.
I am surprised if anyone read all this, but I just am inspired to make an essay. 
Thanks for hosting all of this.
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Haha, yeah, Revival! I knew you had it in you!!!
Also, to bad with Miya, only Axiom member not in Code S, hope they won't talk too much smack about him in the team house! ^.^"
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On April 22 2013 15:30 DeathProfessor wrote:ESL polished a turd, MLG polished a turd, no matter what they were both shining shit lol, so ESL did much better but MLG was trying its way of making some money... at least no real shutdowns or sound issues occurred, also we discovered some new casting talent in Shampoo. There were some silver linings! As we all know people will watch, it may even get 100k-120k once it hits the RO64. I have always said, you want to grow you need personalities (which Koreans DO bring) and foreigner stories. Hopefully the latter will occur. It is now up to US to make our dreams come true, if we want eSports to grow, WE need to be the friendly ones, shake the hands and kiss a baby, be personable and once we come to play we gotta have flash and style and bring home victories, tweet your life stories and make people care about you. Because, once two guys are in the booth, it isn't Blizzards fault you lost, its your own. We need to remember that and if NA players act entitled they won't get very far. This ain't the entitlement time any more. Put up or shut up. Actually do work, study who is in your bracket, find out tendencies, think of tactics, you can't outskill them? Try to metagame them, find anything that you can see as a weakness and play to that. Know a SC2 GM pro? Have him/her do Korean tactics on you until you can beat them. Do 20 games where he just does widow mine drops. Another 20 of hellbats, then 20 more Oracle harrass. Controlled practice and improve your multitasking. Then do the same to him or her. WE are the ones who will save eSports. By your behavior and your class, your promotion and character will get us 90% there. 5% will be sniping a few key Koreans, make them worried, use that home field advantage. You might start a steamroll effect. The next few % is where the NA FANS come in. Cheer extra loud for your players. Maybe they bore you because they don't have the same inhuman skills, still you can manner up and allow yourself to stoop down to their level, they share a passion you do and they dream about beating the players you idolize. Allow them a chance into your hearts, maybe if you "adopt" a NA player you can see they have much you have in common. Also, Twitch.tv chat, you can do better than this. Trolling isn't a sport. After awhile everyone acting as stupid as they can makes everyone stupid. Trolling would actually be being the only smart guy in the room. Talking shit about your players is classless. Heckling Incontrol was just embarrassing and TB has done so much for us and you still hate the guy. Maybe think before you type if you want to expand eSports and new people try out the chat, they aren't sickened by the display and decide this is a place they want to spend their time. A special message to casters: You do your best and I want you to know you are appreciated by 99% of us, fuck the haters. There are things you can change, do a little more research into your players, maybe interview them a bit pregame, bring us an idea about the drama thats unfolding. Find out what each game means a little more, not knowing the stakes gets boring. I am surprised if anyone read all this, but I just am inspired to make an essay. Thanks for hosting all of this.
This kind of essay needs its own thread. Need more of this and less "koreans will destroy the NA scene."
I see it making the scene stronger. If the koreans continue to practice on NA, then the bar has been raised on the highest level of play.
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let's just rename this the eg teamkill tournament
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I hope that Code A gives The NA pros that came close but didnt get into Code S some good competion!
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Lets be honest, did you guys expect any results other than this?. NA players just are not good enough and its not like they haven't had the time , its 3 years since SC2 came out and they should be closer in skill than they are now.
The established NA pros should be asking the question "How come after 3 years of none stop playing SC2 are we getting owned?". Prehaps in the next season they will be better and knuckle down to the task of actually training to win, instead of fooling about. This could be the kick up the ass they need to improve as players instead of being "entertainers".
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On April 22 2013 12:14 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:11 NovemberstOrm wrote:On April 22 2013 12:07 Gamegene wrote:
kinda disappointed by Liquipedia. would like to see the editors go full maverick and post the results that we all know should be up regardless of MLG being idiots. Editors can't edit a page if it's locked only liquipedia staff can. On April 22 2013 12:10 SnoLys wrote:On April 22 2013 12:04 tribulator wrote:On April 22 2013 11:59 Wombat_NI wrote:
I may blow a fucking gasket if they use that rule on Demuslim They won't. If they did they'd have to DQ Crank as well. That said, if they were chinese or lesser known players, both would have been bitch-slapped into next week by the rule book. But Crank results were already on MLG site when he tweeted them, Demuslim results weren't. maybe so but lots of matches were spoiled by the players themselves/other teamates this is the AMERICAN qualifier. let freedom reign.
Think EU just took the title. NA WCS more looked like a DDR produktion ^.^
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On April 22 2013 16:59 4ZakeN87 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:14 Gamegene wrote:On April 22 2013 12:11 NovemberstOrm wrote:On April 22 2013 12:07 Gamegene wrote:
kinda disappointed by Liquipedia. would like to see the editors go full maverick and post the results that we all know should be up regardless of MLG being idiots. Editors can't edit a page if it's locked only liquipedia staff can. On April 22 2013 12:10 SnoLys wrote:On April 22 2013 12:04 tribulator wrote:On April 22 2013 11:59 Wombat_NI wrote:
I may blow a fucking gasket if they use that rule on Demuslim They won't. If they did they'd have to DQ Crank as well. That said, if they were chinese or lesser known players, both would have been bitch-slapped into next week by the rule book. But Crank results were already on MLG site when he tweeted them, Demuslim results weren't. maybe so but lots of matches were spoiled by the players themselves/other teamates this is the AMERICAN qualifier. let freedom reign. Think EU just took the title. NA WCS more looked like a DDR produktion ^.^
Reminds me of Van Rompuy... unelected dictator of europe...
![[image loading]](http://www.wanttoknow.nl/wp-content/uploads/rompuy.jpg)
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