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On April 17 2013 21:10 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 21:08 Elite_ wrote: To be honest I don't think HyuN gave a fuck about this group. He's switching to WCS NA anyways. Hyun has been generally looking weak in ZvT. In HSL and ATC he dropped games to terrans he would devour in WoL.
Well that was WoL . Zerg generally devoured anything there towards the end.
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On April 17 2013 21:09 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 21:07 Nightwishone wrote:I believe Innovation is a little bot too overhyped. I don't mean bad to him, but what are his accomplishments compared to Life? Tastosis is probably just trying to cast his curse  Why do you need accomplishments to be outstanding in one particular matchup? Besides BoguS being sick in TvT and TvZ, he's also very good in TvP and the wish to see the best TvZ in the world against Life .... is understandable.
Yeah, I can agree with that. But to be honest I'm not seeing why Bogus is considered top 3 terran... I may be kind of biased, but TaeJa topped his group with wrists pain. Flash got a second place losing against Life. Yoda is on a roll. That's just 3 players I like, there are many more who can compare with Bogus. That's a personal opinion of course.
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On April 17 2013 21:11 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 21:10 rasers wrote:On April 17 2013 21:09 bo1b wrote:On April 17 2013 21:06 Fjodorov wrote:On April 17 2013 21:03 bo1b wrote:On April 17 2013 21:00 AxionSteel wrote:On April 17 2013 20:59 bo1b wrote:On April 17 2013 20:57 AlternativeEgo wrote:On April 17 2013 20:54 DifuntO wrote:On April 17 2013 20:51 Chantastic wrote: I play Terran and Innovation is making Terran look imbalanced as fuck, stop it Innovation I don't want nerfs If less than 3 people can do this shit,it's not imbalanced,so we're good,don't worry. Remember that one guy that got snipe nerfed? Yeah. And he never ever displayed the multitasking and skill that mma and bogus have shown. People over hype mvp so much its disgusting. Yet he was a much better allround player than MMA. So yeh. No doubt, but he still didn't display the insane multi tasking and overwhelming mechanical ability that innovation and mma have. Its impossible to win 4 GSL and be almost unbeatable in TvT without "overwhelming mechanical ability". Can you find some games where mvp displayed absolutely incredible multitasking then please? I remember the mvp that seemingly never made mistakes or bad decisions, the mvp that crushed in the formative years of sc2 and the mvp that went mech for everything bar tvp. MVPs play is not based on that multitasking. but if the situation needs it he can multitask like that. So can you remember or find a game where the situation needed it?
I can think of one, vs stephano at IEM just recently he won the game really easily just by dropping in 3 places at once in the midgame and stephano fell apart.
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man, I love it when the same commercial plays ten times in a row and I have to re-mute it each time.
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On April 17 2013 21:11 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 21:06 habeck wrote:On April 17 2013 21:04 bo1b wrote:On April 17 2013 21:01 FakeDeath wrote:On April 17 2013 20:59 bo1b wrote:On April 17 2013 20:57 AlternativeEgo wrote:On April 17 2013 20:54 DifuntO wrote:On April 17 2013 20:51 Chantastic wrote: I play Terran and Innovation is making Terran look imbalanced as fuck, stop it Innovation I don't want nerfs If less than 3 people can do this shit,it's not imbalanced,so we're good,don't worry. Remember that one guy that got snipe nerfed? Yeah. And he never ever displayed the multitasking and skill that mma and bogus have shown. People over hype mvp so much its disgusting. People don't need all the multitasking to win. They rely more on starsense and strategy or mindgames. Look at Savior and Mvp. I didn't say he was worse lol. I do believe MVP was quite fast in his prime Players have gotten MUCH faster since MVP's prime. I've noticed it moreso with MarineKing than anyone else. His speed in game has stayed roughly the same from his early 2012 days but everyone else has caught up or surpassed it. The KeSPA players especially. Not that I don't think a fully healthy MVP couldn't keep up with the current top tier but I don't think he'd be as fast. The thing about MVP has never been his pure mechanics, it's been his wonderful strategic mind. Him and Nestea, it's one thing I'll never stop loving about them. They have the ability to just out think their opponents which is something I admire so heavily in SC2 which so often comes down to just whoever has the best mechanics. It's a wonderful breath of fresh air when someone just wins because they were smarter or more clever. That's why I'll forever be a huge MVP fan.
A lot of old fans insist that games that can be won by pure mechanics are better
And I will always, always disagree
Strategy should always be more important than mechanics. And that is why Mvp and Nestea are so important to SC2.
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On April 17 2013 21:13 negativedge wrote: man, I love it when the same commercial plays ten times in a row and I have to re-mute it each time.
Stop watching on twitch.
www.gomtv.net
No commercials.
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On April 17 2013 21:12 Nightwishone wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 21:09 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 17 2013 21:07 Nightwishone wrote:I believe Innovation is a little bot too overhyped. I don't mean bad to him, but what are his accomplishments compared to Life? Tastosis is probably just trying to cast his curse  Why do you need accomplishments to be outstanding in one particular matchup? Besides BoguS being sick in TvT and TvZ, he's also very good in TvP and the wish to see the best TvZ in the world against Life .... is understandable. Yeah, I can agree with that. But to be honest I'm not seeing why Bogus is considered top 3 terran... I may be kind of biased, but TaeJa topped his group with wrists pain. Flash got a second place losing against Life. Yoda is on a roll. That's just 3 players I like, there are many more who can compare with Bogus. That's a personal opinion of course. Yes, you are biased.
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Innovation is going down against rain. Would be a big upset!
p.s. innovation to NA?
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On April 17 2013 21:13 negativedge wrote: man, I love it when the same commercial plays ten times in a row and I have to re-mute it each time.
Really? I highly dislike that.
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On April 17 2013 21:11 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 21:09 bo1b wrote:On April 17 2013 21:06 Fjodorov wrote:On April 17 2013 21:03 bo1b wrote:On April 17 2013 21:00 AxionSteel wrote:On April 17 2013 20:59 bo1b wrote:On April 17 2013 20:57 AlternativeEgo wrote:On April 17 2013 20:54 DifuntO wrote:On April 17 2013 20:51 Chantastic wrote: I play Terran and Innovation is making Terran look imbalanced as fuck, stop it Innovation I don't want nerfs If less than 3 people can do this shit,it's not imbalanced,so we're good,don't worry. Remember that one guy that got snipe nerfed? Yeah. And he never ever displayed the multitasking and skill that mma and bogus have shown. People over hype mvp so much its disgusting. Yet he was a much better allround player than MMA. So yeh. No doubt, but he still didn't display the insane multi tasking and overwhelming mechanical ability that innovation and mma have. Its impossible to win 4 GSL and be almost unbeatable in TvT without "overwhelming mechanical ability". Can you find some games where mvp displayed absolutely incredible multitasking then please? I remember the mvp that seemingly never made mistakes or bad decisions, the mvp that crushed in the formative years of sc2 and the mvp that went mech for everything bar tvp. Search for yourself. There are people mechanically better, doesn't mean MVP isn't insane. Koenigsegg CCXR beats most insanely fast cars, are they slow because of that? So in other words when I say mvp is overhyped because people make out like hes the absolute best at everything and didn't drop a game in 2011 etc I'm right? I never said he was bad, and I never said he wasn't the most accomplished. I just said he never really wowed people with mechanical ability and hes overhyped because people make him out to have.
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On April 17 2013 21:09 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 21:06 Fjodorov wrote:On April 17 2013 21:03 bo1b wrote:On April 17 2013 21:00 AxionSteel wrote:On April 17 2013 20:59 bo1b wrote:On April 17 2013 20:57 AlternativeEgo wrote:On April 17 2013 20:54 DifuntO wrote:On April 17 2013 20:51 Chantastic wrote: I play Terran and Innovation is making Terran look imbalanced as fuck, stop it Innovation I don't want nerfs If less than 3 people can do this shit,it's not imbalanced,so we're good,don't worry. Remember that one guy that got snipe nerfed? Yeah. And he never ever displayed the multitasking and skill that mma and bogus have shown. People over hype mvp so much its disgusting. Yet he was a much better allround player than MMA. So yeh. No doubt, but he still didn't display the insane multi tasking and overwhelming mechanical ability that innovation and mma have. Its impossible to win 4 GSL and be almost unbeatable in TvT without "overwhelming mechanical ability". Can you find some games where mvp displayed absolutely incredible multitasking then please? I remember the mvp that seemingly never made mistakes or bad decisions, the mvp that crushed in the formative years of sc2 and the mvp that went mech for everything bar tvp.
Im not sure what you define as multitasking. Im guessing you are one of those guys who thinks multitasking is only when you shift click medivacs around the map.
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On April 17 2013 21:11 govie wrote:GSL is allmost as exciting to watch as the EU gsl qualifiers  Must...resist...dont want ... tempbanned again..
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On April 17 2013 21:11 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 21:10 rasers wrote:On April 17 2013 21:09 bo1b wrote:On April 17 2013 21:06 Fjodorov wrote:On April 17 2013 21:03 bo1b wrote:On April 17 2013 21:00 AxionSteel wrote:On April 17 2013 20:59 bo1b wrote:On April 17 2013 20:57 AlternativeEgo wrote:On April 17 2013 20:54 DifuntO wrote:On April 17 2013 20:51 Chantastic wrote: I play Terran and Innovation is making Terran look imbalanced as fuck, stop it Innovation I don't want nerfs If less than 3 people can do this shit,it's not imbalanced,so we're good,don't worry. Remember that one guy that got snipe nerfed? Yeah. And he never ever displayed the multitasking and skill that mma and bogus have shown. People over hype mvp so much its disgusting. Yet he was a much better allround player than MMA. So yeh. No doubt, but he still didn't display the insane multi tasking and overwhelming mechanical ability that innovation and mma have. Its impossible to win 4 GSL and be almost unbeatable in TvT without "overwhelming mechanical ability". Can you find some games where mvp displayed absolutely incredible multitasking then please? I remember the mvp that seemingly never made mistakes or bad decisions, the mvp that crushed in the formative years of sc2 and the mvp that went mech for everything bar tvp. MVPs play is not based on that multitasking. but if the situation needs it he can multitask like that. So can you remember or find a game where the situation needed it? go search for yourself.
oh also it seems like by multitasking u think it's only baout drops 
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On April 17 2013 21:12 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 21:09 bo1b wrote:On April 17 2013 21:06 Fjodorov wrote:On April 17 2013 21:03 bo1b wrote:On April 17 2013 21:00 AxionSteel wrote:On April 17 2013 20:59 bo1b wrote:On April 17 2013 20:57 AlternativeEgo wrote:On April 17 2013 20:54 DifuntO wrote:On April 17 2013 20:51 Chantastic wrote: I play Terran and Innovation is making Terran look imbalanced as fuck, stop it Innovation I don't want nerfs If less than 3 people can do this shit,it's not imbalanced,so we're good,don't worry. Remember that one guy that got snipe nerfed? Yeah. And he never ever displayed the multitasking and skill that mma and bogus have shown. People over hype mvp so much its disgusting. Yet he was a much better allround player than MMA. So yeh. No doubt, but he still didn't display the insane multi tasking and overwhelming mechanical ability that innovation and mma have. Its impossible to win 4 GSL and be almost unbeatable in TvT without "overwhelming mechanical ability". Can you find some games where mvp displayed absolutely incredible multitasking then please? I remember the mvp that seemingly never made mistakes or bad decisions, the mvp that crushed in the formative years of sc2 and the mvp that went mech for everything bar tvp. Still kind of random how out of nowhere you say "omg so overyhped, no way near as good at multitasking as MMA" and you were quoting someone who was talking about Mvp getting ghost snipe nerfed. However yeh, his multitasking and also his macro were misleadingly classed as godly by some people, but he was still good in those areas. I said that because people were saying this guy had mechanical ability like bogus displayed.
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Blahahaha... the cursing continuous!
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On April 17 2013 21:11 govie wrote:GSL is allmost as exciting to watch as the EU gsl qualifiers 
What's EU gsl? for 2 code S seeds into GSL next season?
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On April 17 2013 21:15 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 21:11 govie wrote:GSL is allmost as exciting to watch as the EU gsl qualifiers  Must...resist...dont want ... tempbanned again..
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innovation is the new nestea :D
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Belgica34432 Posts
Guys, the winningest player of SC2, who dominated a long time, is literally overrated.
Deal with it.
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