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On April 16 2013 06:28 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 06:24 StarVe wrote:On April 16 2013 06:18 JJH777 wrote:On April 16 2013 06:15 kollin wrote:On April 16 2013 06:09 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 16 2013 06:07 StarVe wrote:On April 16 2013 06:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 16 2013 06:03 Zealously wrote:On April 16 2013 06:00 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 16 2013 05:58 Zealously wrote:
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I think this is a weak argument. But alright, i'll play along - name 10 european pros who could win games regularly in GSTL. I thought the game was naming 10 EU players who are better than Tails? :o Indeed. And to be considered better, I'd say you'd need to match his kill-list either in individual leagues or team leagues. We don't know how good any Europeans are right now because they've barely played HOTS competitively. We all assume Stephano is still number one but he's been smashed in HOTS so far. Results wise it's MaNa -> Luci/VortiX atm, I'd say. Haven't seen anything out of Stephano. Bunny/Welmu/BratOK last foreign hopes What have Lucifron/Vortix done in HOTS? Lucifron looked really behind at IEM but a lot has changed since then. Mana I guess has done the best but that amounts to be good in minor team leagues and I can't really get behind that as good evidence. ATC and Mana's achievements in it are by no means minor. It's only a $20k prize pool it is played completely online and mostly cross server.. That is like the definition of a minor event. Gee, almost the same prizepool as last year's DreamHack Open tournaments. How minor. We've got high standards nowadays. It's not only the prize, it's also the players. Those are offline individual leagues and they gave seeds to a bigger event. Aside from GSTL and Proleague I think all teamleagues are minor there is just less incentive for the players compared to individual leagues. Just see how hesitant the teams were to play their aces even in IPTL which was by far the biggest team league aside from the 2 above.
Well, now we have a bigger league than IPTL with more money given out. Offline finals are a big draw.
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On April 16 2013 06:30 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 06:28 JJH777 wrote:On April 16 2013 06:24 StarVe wrote:On April 16 2013 06:18 JJH777 wrote:On April 16 2013 06:15 kollin wrote:On April 16 2013 06:09 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 16 2013 06:07 StarVe wrote:On April 16 2013 06:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 16 2013 06:03 Zealously wrote:On April 16 2013 06:00 JustPassingBy wrote:
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I thought the game was naming 10 EU players who are better than Tails? :o Indeed. And to be considered better, I'd say you'd need to match his kill-list either in individual leagues or team leagues. We don't know how good any Europeans are right now because they've barely played HOTS competitively. We all assume Stephano is still number one but he's been smashed in HOTS so far. Results wise it's MaNa -> Luci/VortiX atm, I'd say. Haven't seen anything out of Stephano. Bunny/Welmu/BratOK last foreign hopes What have Lucifron/Vortix done in HOTS? Lucifron looked really behind at IEM but a lot has changed since then. Mana I guess has done the best but that amounts to be good in minor team leagues and I can't really get behind that as good evidence. ATC and Mana's achievements in it are by no means minor. It's only a $20k prize pool it is played completely online and mostly cross server.. That is like the definition of a minor event. Gee, almost the same prizepool as last year's DreamHack Open tournaments. How minor. We've got high standards nowadays. It's not only the prize, it's also the players. Those are offline individual leagues and they gave seeds to a bigger event. Aside from GSTL and Proleague I think all teamleagues are minor there is just less incentive for the players compared to individual leagues. Just see how hesitant the teams were to play their aces even in IPTL which was by far the biggest team league aside from the 2 above. So you only count tournaments you want to count?
I only count tournaments that are actually major
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On April 16 2013 06:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 06:31 Shellshock1122 wrote:
What is the latency like for PandaTank playing from South Africa? Isn't he in the Razer house in USA or something?
I have no idea but wherever he's playing from looks ok. he's hitting forcefields and stuff fine
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Wow Bunny has some pretty nice micro :o
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On April 16 2013 06:32 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 06:28 JJH777 wrote:On April 16 2013 06:24 StarVe wrote:On April 16 2013 06:18 JJH777 wrote:On April 16 2013 06:15 kollin wrote:On April 16 2013 06:09 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 16 2013 06:07 StarVe wrote:On April 16 2013 06:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 16 2013 06:03 Zealously wrote:On April 16 2013 06:00 JustPassingBy wrote:
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I thought the game was naming 10 EU players who are better than Tails? :o Indeed. And to be considered better, I'd say you'd need to match his kill-list either in individual leagues or team leagues. We don't know how good any Europeans are right now because they've barely played HOTS competitively. We all assume Stephano is still number one but he's been smashed in HOTS so far. Results wise it's MaNa -> Luci/VortiX atm, I'd say. Haven't seen anything out of Stephano. Bunny/Welmu/BratOK last foreign hopes What have Lucifron/Vortix done in HOTS? Lucifron looked really behind at IEM but a lot has changed since then. Mana I guess has done the best but that amounts to be good in minor team leagues and I can't really get behind that as good evidence. ATC and Mana's achievements in it are by no means minor. It's only a $20k prize pool it is played completely online and mostly cross server.. That is like the definition of a minor event. Gee, almost the same prizepool as last year's DreamHack Open tournaments. How minor. We've got high standards nowadays. It's not only the prize, it's also the players. Those are offline individual leagues and they gave seeds to a bigger event. Aside from GSTL and Proleague I think all teamleagues are minor there is just less incentive for the players compared to individual leagues. Just see how hesitant the teams were to play their aces even in IPTL which was by far the biggest team league aside from the 2 above. Well, now we have a bigger league than IPTL with more money given out. Offline finals are a big draw.
It's $2k less than IPTL and the prize pool wasn't what made it the biggest team league outside of GSTL and Proleague. It was the fact that the winning team got to send 6 of their players on paid trips to the next IPL.
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Great micro from Welmu but its just not enough.
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Bunny raping face. Great scout, the less all ins that win the better!
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Bunny deflected that Blink all-in really well :D
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On April 16 2013 06:32 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 06:30 kollin wrote:On April 16 2013 06:28 JJH777 wrote:On April 16 2013 06:24 StarVe wrote:On April 16 2013 06:18 JJH777 wrote:On April 16 2013 06:15 kollin wrote:On April 16 2013 06:09 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 16 2013 06:07 StarVe wrote:On April 16 2013 06:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 16 2013 06:03 Zealously wrote:
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Indeed. And to be considered better, I'd say you'd need to match his kill-list either in individual leagues or team leagues. We don't know how good any Europeans are right now because they've barely played HOTS competitively. We all assume Stephano is still number one but he's been smashed in HOTS so far. Results wise it's MaNa -> Luci/VortiX atm, I'd say. Haven't seen anything out of Stephano. Bunny/Welmu/BratOK last foreign hopes What have Lucifron/Vortix done in HOTS? Lucifron looked really behind at IEM but a lot has changed since then. Mana I guess has done the best but that amounts to be good in minor team leagues and I can't really get behind that as good evidence. ATC and Mana's achievements in it are by no means minor. It's only a $20k prize pool it is played completely online and mostly cross server.. That is like the definition of a minor event. Gee, almost the same prizepool as last year's DreamHack Open tournaments. How minor. We've got high standards nowadays. It's not only the prize, it's also the players. Those are offline individual leagues and they gave seeds to a bigger event. Aside from GSTL and Proleague I think all teamleagues are minor there is just less incentive for the players compared to individual leagues. Just see how hesitant the teams were to play their aces even in IPTL which was by far the biggest team league aside from the 2 above. So you only count tournaments you want to count? I only count tournaments that are actually major
Major under your definition, despite most people disagreeing with you?
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Get a fucking obs Feast !
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On April 16 2013 06:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 06:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:On April 16 2013 06:31 Shellshock1122 wrote:
What is the latency like for PandaTank playing from South Africa? Isn't he in the Razer house in USA or something? I have no idea but wherever he's playing from looks ok. he's hitting forcefields and stuff fine
Looked at his twitter and is seems as he is at home, rockin' the 4Mb(0.8 upload) from telkom, with a WebAfrica account.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/2630705438.png
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On April 16 2013 06:36 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 06:32 JJH777 wrote:On April 16 2013 06:30 kollin wrote:On April 16 2013 06:28 JJH777 wrote:On April 16 2013 06:24 StarVe wrote:On April 16 2013 06:18 JJH777 wrote:On April 16 2013 06:15 kollin wrote:On April 16 2013 06:09 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 16 2013 06:07 StarVe wrote:On April 16 2013 06:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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We don't know how good any Europeans are right now because they've barely played HOTS competitively.
We all assume Stephano is still number one but he's been smashed in HOTS so far.
Results wise it's MaNa -> Luci/VortiX atm, I'd say. Haven't seen anything out of Stephano. Bunny/Welmu/BratOK last foreign hopes What have Lucifron/Vortix done in HOTS? Lucifron looked really behind at IEM but a lot has changed since then. Mana I guess has done the best but that amounts to be good in minor team leagues and I can't really get behind that as good evidence. ATC and Mana's achievements in it are by no means minor. It's only a $20k prize pool it is played completely online and mostly cross server.. That is like the definition of a minor event. Gee, almost the same prizepool as last year's DreamHack Open tournaments. How minor. We've got high standards nowadays. It's not only the prize, it's also the players. Those are offline individual leagues and they gave seeds to a bigger event. Aside from GSTL and Proleague I think all teamleagues are minor there is just less incentive for the players compared to individual leagues. Just see how hesitant the teams were to play their aces even in IPTL which was by far the biggest team league aside from the 2 above. So you only count tournaments you want to count? I only count tournaments that are actually major Major under your definition, despite most people disagreeing with you?
I doubt most people disagree with me. Most StarCraft fans probably haven't even heard of ATC. The only online event that has been considered major by the overall community is TSL.
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I like how aligulac changes the winner after every map XD
Right now Bunny is top for wining the tournament after his mapwin.
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On April 16 2013 06:36 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 06:36 kollin wrote:On April 16 2013 06:32 JJH777 wrote:On April 16 2013 06:30 kollin wrote:On April 16 2013 06:28 JJH777 wrote:On April 16 2013 06:24 StarVe wrote:On April 16 2013 06:18 JJH777 wrote:On April 16 2013 06:15 kollin wrote:On April 16 2013 06:09 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 16 2013 06:07 StarVe wrote:
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Results wise it's MaNa -> Luci/VortiX atm, I'd say. Haven't seen anything out of Stephano.
Bunny/Welmu/BratOK last foreign hopes What have Lucifron/Vortix done in HOTS? Lucifron looked really behind at IEM but a lot has changed since then. Mana I guess has done the best but that amounts to be good in minor team leagues and I can't really get behind that as good evidence. ATC and Mana's achievements in it are by no means minor. It's only a $20k prize pool it is played completely online and mostly cross server.. That is like the definition of a minor event. Gee, almost the same prizepool as last year's DreamHack Open tournaments. How minor. We've got high standards nowadays. It's not only the prize, it's also the players. Those are offline individual leagues and they gave seeds to a bigger event. Aside from GSTL and Proleague I think all teamleagues are minor there is just less incentive for the players compared to individual leagues. Just see how hesitant the teams were to play their aces even in IPTL which was by far the biggest team league aside from the 2 above. So you only count tournaments you want to count? I only count tournaments that are actually major Major under your definition, despite most people disagreeing with you? I doubt most people disagree with me. The only online event that has been considered major by the overall community is TSL.
I agree with you that ATC isn't a major event but it isn't a minor event either, it's a medium event.
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On April 16 2013 06:36 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 06:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 16 2013 06:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:On April 16 2013 06:31 Shellshock1122 wrote:
What is the latency like for PandaTank playing from South Africa? Isn't he in the Razer house in USA or something? I have no idea but wherever he's playing from looks ok. he's hitting forcefields and stuff fine Looked at his twitter and is seems as he is at home, rockin' the 4Mb(0.8 upload) from telkom, with a WebAfrica account. http://www.speedtest.net/result/2630705438.png
Oh looks like my internet. Except that I'm 98% slower than french people.
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On April 16 2013 06:38 Serinox wrote:
PandaTank 2-0 Starbuck
Big shock. He had game 1 in the pocket. and in game 2 was up 60 supply.. maybe next year.
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On April 16 2013 06:36 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 06:36 kollin wrote:On April 16 2013 06:32 JJH777 wrote:On April 16 2013 06:30 kollin wrote:On April 16 2013 06:28 JJH777 wrote:On April 16 2013 06:24 StarVe wrote:On April 16 2013 06:18 JJH777 wrote:On April 16 2013 06:15 kollin wrote:On April 16 2013 06:09 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 16 2013 06:07 StarVe wrote:
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Results wise it's MaNa -> Luci/VortiX atm, I'd say. Haven't seen anything out of Stephano.
Bunny/Welmu/BratOK last foreign hopes What have Lucifron/Vortix done in HOTS? Lucifron looked really behind at IEM but a lot has changed since then. Mana I guess has done the best but that amounts to be good in minor team leagues and I can't really get behind that as good evidence. ATC and Mana's achievements in it are by no means minor. It's only a $20k prize pool it is played completely online and mostly cross server.. That is like the definition of a minor event. Gee, almost the same prizepool as last year's DreamHack Open tournaments. How minor. We've got high standards nowadays. It's not only the prize, it's also the players. Those are offline individual leagues and they gave seeds to a bigger event. Aside from GSTL and Proleague I think all teamleagues are minor there is just less incentive for the players compared to individual leagues. Just see how hesitant the teams were to play their aces even in IPTL which was by far the biggest team league aside from the 2 above. So you only count tournaments you want to count? I only count tournaments that are actually major Major under your definition, despite most people disagreeing with you? I doubt most people disagree with me. Most StarCraft fans probably haven't even heard of ATC. The only online event that has been considered major by the overall community is TSL.
Your original point was that you doubted Mana due to his results mainly being "minor" team leagues. This I really don't think people agree with regardless what you call the tournaments.
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