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Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
April 07 2013 08:38 GMT
#921
On April 07 2013 17:35 Ace Frehley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 17:32 Kommander wrote:
And that's how you beat Skytoss PvP

By mind controlling them into not microing?


Yeah that was my point :p
SC2ShoWTimE
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany722 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 08:40:21
April 07 2013 08:38 GMT
#922
honestly it is not that easy to judge whether or not you should pull back in that situation. sure, it is kinda weird to sit in storms, but if you move back your void rays then they will lose their charge and also get a lot of hits from the archons behind them. in the next engagement they will get stormed again and they will basically never deal their damage.
Progamer
Inzan1ty
Profile Joined September 2012
1163 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 08:39:01
April 07 2013 08:38 GMT
#923
On April 07 2013 17:34 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 17:33 Yello wrote:
On April 07 2013 17:31 gn1k wrote:
Oh no! Even the new coach can't help EZ TL.


are you trolling or are there actually people who think getting a new coach will suddenly make EG-TL win everything just 2 weeks later?


No ofc not, JYP is the proof of that.
Oz came from being teamless and perform better than two of EGs players.

Oh the irony ^^


to be fair, Oz is a more accomplished player in Korea than both JYP and HuK

and hes way more creative / handsome
RIP Seung Hyun 'Space' Park † 6/5/2013 - Undead hero and eSports rolemodel
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
April 07 2013 08:38 GMT
#924
On April 07 2013 17:32 trinxified wrote:
They should buff/nerf storms in relation to protoss units lol... Shield units should take less damage from storm.

Great buff to PvZ/T, nerf to PvP

Don't listen to this guy, storm in pvp is awesome and should be a thing.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
April 07 2013 08:38 GMT
#925
On April 07 2013 17:37 LimitSEA wrote:
This isn't the first time we've seen storm > VR's in HotS is it? I vaguely recall something similar happening a while back.


I think it might be the solution to the most boring form of PvP with mass Skytoss. Hopefully it's that style of build which won't make it entirely dominate the PvP metagame.
mengsk83
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany519 Posts
April 07 2013 08:39 GMT
#926
btw, why does the observer on the english broadcast use this strange hp bar coloring for the units? makes it alot harder to see the hp of units at a glance.
EnderCraft
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1746 Posts
April 07 2013 08:39 GMT
#927
On April 07 2013 17:36 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 17:34 EnderCraft wrote:
On April 07 2013 17:33 playa wrote:
I don't blame JYP. Void rays are so ridiculous in p vs p that it's hard to even conceive of losing if your opponent doesn't happen them. He's probably going over the replay to make sure his units at the standard amount of HP because it's probably the first time it has ever happened to him.

No. Sitting in Psionic Storm is not good in any situation ever. Period.


99/100 times if you have void rays and an eco adv, and your opponent is relying on ht... you just A move to demoralize him as he realizes that even A move, no care in the world, still steam rolls him. Void rays are too good. Don't blame JYP. First time it happened to him.

He probably did freeze out of nerves. But I highly doubt that was the first time he's ever encountered HT in a PvP. There's is plenty to blame tho, he should have moved out of that. There was a good 5 seconds where just ate two full psionic storms. You see the storm you right click away. Just because you have voidrays doesn't mean you are immortal and don't have to micro.
SC:BW has a higher skill ceiling than SC2? SC 64 is where it's at brah.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
April 07 2013 08:39 GMT
#928
On April 07 2013 17:36 ACrow wrote:
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On April 07 2013 17:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:
I guess JYP thought Void Rays were insulated

Next up in LotV: Protoss discovers the Faraday Cage effect and modifies VRs.

Still waiting for Terran to develop rubber tanks for TvP
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D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
April 07 2013 08:39 GMT
#929
I for one blame coach Park for the losses.
why even
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
April 07 2013 08:39 GMT
#930
On April 07 2013 17:37 Type|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 17:36 playa wrote:
On April 07 2013 17:34 EnderCraft wrote:
On April 07 2013 17:33 playa wrote:
I don't blame JYP. Void rays are so ridiculous in p vs p that it's hard to even conceive of losing if your opponent doesn't happen them. He's probably going over the replay to make sure his units at the standard amount of HP because it's probably the first time it has ever happened to him.

No. Sitting in Psionic Storm is not good in any situation ever. Period.


99/100 times if you have void rays and an eco adv, and your opponent is relying on ht... you just A move to demoralize him as he realizes that even A move, no care in the world, still steam rolls him. Void rays are too good. Don't blame JYP. First time it happened to him.


A) sOs had the economic advantage, being one base ahead
B) He wasn't relying on HTs , because he was on the verge of losing, he was having HTs as support-caster to his army
C) heavy archon composition
D) barely any support for the void rays and no micro

I don't see how you would want to argue that this fight was anywhere reasonable for JYP


All I can say is I've been in a lot of fights like that and the A move with void rays has never ever lost. At worse you usually end up with red health void rays. You would never expect to lose that game, regardless of void ray micro. Void rays are so good. It's near impossible to not develop bad practice habits like that.
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
April 07 2013 08:39 GMT
#931
Why didn't they ask him about the Epic fail of Stroms
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
April 07 2013 08:39 GMT
#932
I would be fine with protoss being slightly UP than other races if it means less PvP overall...
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
April 07 2013 08:40 GMT
#933
On April 07 2013 17:39 mengsk83 wrote:
btw, why does the observer on the english broadcast use this strange hp bar coloring for the units? makes it alot harder to see the hp of units at a glance.


There is no English broadcast to say, they just restream the korean main one and put the casters over it.
The curse is real
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
April 07 2013 08:40 GMT
#934
On April 07 2013 17:39 D-light wrote:
I for one blame coach Park for the losses.

Yeah I heard he told Huk that you need 2 twilight councils and JYP that storm is a stackable buff for void rays
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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
April 07 2013 08:40 GMT
#935
listening to Royce da 5'9" is demoralizing if you like to think you can rap.

just saying, doesn't have shit to do with this thread but it's what i'm listening to while watching
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
April 07 2013 08:41 GMT
#936
On April 07 2013 17:40 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 17:39 D-light wrote:
I for one blame coach Park for the losses.

Yeah I heard he told Huk that you need 2 twilight councils and JYP that storm is a stackable buff for void rays

Hhhehehe :D
The curse is real
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
April 07 2013 08:41 GMT
#937
On April 07 2013 17:39 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 17:37 Type|NarutO wrote:
On April 07 2013 17:36 playa wrote:
On April 07 2013 17:34 EnderCraft wrote:
On April 07 2013 17:33 playa wrote:
I don't blame JYP. Void rays are so ridiculous in p vs p that it's hard to even conceive of losing if your opponent doesn't happen them. He's probably going over the replay to make sure his units at the standard amount of HP because it's probably the first time it has ever happened to him.

No. Sitting in Psionic Storm is not good in any situation ever. Period.


99/100 times if you have void rays and an eco adv, and your opponent is relying on ht... you just A move to demoralize him as he realizes that even A move, no care in the world, still steam rolls him. Void rays are too good. Don't blame JYP. First time it happened to him.


A) sOs had the economic advantage, being one base ahead
B) He wasn't relying on HTs , because he was on the verge of losing, he was having HTs as support-caster to his army
C) heavy archon composition
D) barely any support for the void rays and no micro

I don't see how you would want to argue that this fight was anywhere reasonable for JYP


All I can say is I've been in a lot of fights like that and the A move with void rays has never ever lost. At worse you usually end up with red health void rays. You would never expect to lose that game, regardless of void ray micro. Void rays are so good. It's near impossible to not develop bad practice habits like that.


I don't think it was against THAT many archons with high templar support, when you have no ground army for your void rays other than zealots.
mengsk83
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany519 Posts
April 07 2013 08:41 GMT
#938
On April 07 2013 17:40 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 17:39 mengsk83 wrote:
btw, why does the observer on the english broadcast use this strange hp bar coloring for the units? makes it alot harder to see the hp of units at a glance.


There is no English broadcast to say, they just restream the korean main one and put the casters over it.


well in any case, those hp-bars are just not very viewer-friendly.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
April 07 2013 08:41 GMT
#939
On April 07 2013 17:39 mengsk83 wrote:
btw, why does the observer on the english broadcast use this strange hp bar coloring for the units? makes it alot harder to see the hp of units at a glance.

I think they might still be figuring this out, when Gom broadcast the first HotS matches, the HP bar colors were missed up too. Considering that SPL has a lot worse production, it will probably only take them a little longer, but eventually they'll figure it out
Get off my lawn, young punks
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
April 07 2013 08:41 GMT
#940
jaedong zvp
well egtl is done money
can i get my estro logo back pls
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