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[SPL] SK Telecom T1 vs KT Rolster Round 4 Week 1 - Page 113

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Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
April 06 2013 06:56 GMT
#2241
This match was one of the best team league matches ive ever seen, and ive seen all gstl matches and a ton of proleague. Every game was action packed, dramatic, and damn exciting. Especially Flash vs Fantasy and Flash vs Rain. And Bisu winning...i think you get the point.
Origine
Profile Joined January 2010
France167 Posts
April 06 2013 06:56 GMT
#2242
On April 06 2013 15:55 Goldfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 15:54 Origine wrote:
is it subscriber-only to get to the VODs or? seems like today's games were SICK


eSportsTV has Korean VODs for free.

Twitch + English vods are subscriber only.


awesome, thx mate!
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Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
April 06 2013 06:57 GMT
#2243
Oracle can be an absolutely amazing unit in the hands of someone like Rain.
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
April 06 2013 06:57 GMT
#2244
On April 06 2013 15:53 Jackle wrote:
In the hands of a pro, Oracle is pretty damn strong. Revelation is such a powerful spell, and not too difficult to land, 9 range 6 radius for 60 seconds of vision. That one investment had so much benefits.


Especially when used to set up aoe traps like storm and Colossus deathzones, like Rain wisely did when Flash came down that ramp with his marines in front.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
Azriel
Profile Joined December 2010
Mexico462 Posts
April 06 2013 06:57 GMT
#2245
SK toss still good
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
April 06 2013 06:57 GMT
#2246
On April 06 2013 15:54 tozi wrote:
i definitely feel its not fair to have all the pressure on flash (child-labor from bw days)

how come kt is supposed to be one of the richest teams but can't invest in another top-tier player?


They can still try to outbid Life against StarTale and CJ after his contract expires in half a year But they would have to pay quite a lot. Rumor has that CJ willing to pay Life 200k a year, and Red Bull (main sponsor of StarTale) is willing to match the price offer by CJ.

But yeah, if KT can get Life they will be a lot lot lot lot scarier (at a price of less Life v Flash T T).
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
tozi
Profile Joined October 2008
United States506 Posts
April 06 2013 06:58 GMT
#2247
On April 06 2013 15:54 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 15:51 waylander_ wrote:
On April 06 2013 15:49 Waxangel wrote:
Pretty sure that's the best PvT play anyone has shown us to date in HotS


Rain's play was stellar. Flash's not so much. Macro was good, but not enough ghosts and shit drop play. Bad oracle defense too. And 4th way too late.


Well PvT play. Rain had every small detail under control. From the opening to the edges he cut to the immaculate observer and oracle use to bouncing back after losing all his collosi to denying the fourth while forcing Flash to take into account his main army...

Absolute clinic on doing every little thing right.

holy shit. Carbots on Proleague TV!

Edit:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 15:54 tozi wrote:
i definitely feel its not fair to have all the pressure on flash (child-labor from bw days)

how come kt is supposed to be one of the richest teams but can't invest in another top-tier player?



Why no love for Stats Chintoss is great.


Chintoss is great, but not good enough to take some pressure off flash.
Especially when its not winner league format, you just need another player that you would feel [decently] comfortable against the likes of rain/parting/fantasy.

i think its fair to say that no one would feel comfortable if kt sent chintoss out vs. any of those three
nothing
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 06:58:23
April 06 2013 06:58 GMT
#2248
FPL scoring.

Fantasy +1
Rain +8
Bisu +4
soO +1
Brown +1
PartinG +4

Flash +2
hitmaN +3
Zest +3

All other SKT players +1

SKT +2
KT +1
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
April 06 2013 06:59 GMT
#2249
Proleague now with 300% more MIND MIND MIND!
Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
April 06 2013 06:59 GMT
#2250
SKTOSS1 was good. But Flash, you really need to win some shit man Everyone wants to see it.
| INnoVation | The literal god TY | ByuNjwa | LRSL when? |
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 06 2013 07:00 GMT
#2251
If KT is willing to spend a fortune they could probably outbid CJ and Red Bull for Life.
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
April 06 2013 07:00 GMT
#2252
On April 06 2013 15:49 Waxangel wrote:
Pretty sure that's the best PvT play anyone has shown us to date in HotS


hmm except flash's errors with his oracle defense cost him the game, it meant he had much less leverage going into mid game on rain's third where the warp ins kept him at bay
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Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 07:09:10
April 06 2013 07:01 GMT
#2253
On April 06 2013 15:56 Maghetti wrote:
This match was one of the best team league matches ive ever seen, and ive seen all gstl matches and a ton of proleague. Every game was action packed, dramatic, and damn exciting. Especially Flash vs Fantasy and Flash vs Rain. And Bisu winning...i think you get the point.


I agree.

Proleague in WoL was definitely a snooze fest a lot of the times (mainly because a lot of them were still transitioning from BW) but HotS has greatly leveled the play and entertainment of the game.

From that ZvZ with Nydus vs Mutalisk to Bisu being back... Fairly fun series.

I hope this keeps up and the reputation of Proleague from BW (as one of the most prestigious tournaments) transfers to SC2.

If possible, I think TL (in the next recap/preview, if there is one) should definitely highlight the level of entertainment these games have greatly risen from WoL (we need more people watching Proleague) !

It's not just because of HotS either. These games have been one of the best HotS games I've seen (well outside of the PvPs which were kind of standard).

On April 06 2013 15:59 TAMinator wrote:
Proleague now with 300% more MIND MIND MIND!


They definitely need a bit better filler IMO. They should do replay analysis or something to make the downtime a bit more interesting in between games (like they used to).

15 minute downtime between each game is probably what's keeping a lot of potential people from watching Proleague (at least in terms of foreigners).

I know on SotG, a few people (I forgot who though but a few people) said they can't really watch Proleague live because of the time it takes for an entire series to get finished.
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Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
April 06 2013 07:01 GMT
#2254
SKT best KT
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
April 06 2013 07:05 GMT
#2255
There are so many cool things that Rain made in that game.

Despite the perfectly executed Oracle harass (really waiting for the exact time to send the oracle, even with leading with hallu phoenix), Flash had his third at a good time and was ahead on upgrades because of his CC first opening. Rain had used the oracle to pin Flash just a bit longer, than had a fuck ton of obs, scouting probes, hallu and revelation to position his army and buy time.

A critical point was when Flash pressured Rain's third (Flash was ahead on upgrades) and Rain microed really, really well, using a defensive double time warp to stop Flash from kiting his zealot/archon army. Rain had perfect Stalker control to snipe vikings and keep his colossus alive just a bit longer (if Rain hadn't use Revelation + Stalker blink in the middle of the map earlier to snipe 1-2 vikings, the later fight would have been different).

After barely fucking surviving, Rain went to full god mode, defending the double drop, using zealot warp-ins in the third and pressuring the fourth at perfect times (killing it twice while being even on supplies), all possible because of his excellent scouting and the hero oracle relevating everything. Man, that oracle.
SEKO SEKO SEKO
tozi
Profile Joined October 2008
United States506 Posts
April 06 2013 07:06 GMT
#2256
im also a little afraid that flash doesn't have as good of practice partners as other players at his caliber, especially TVT.

Or maybe im just a little too worried. Flash has done great, just that everyone naturally expects him to win everything

Im happy that he loses once in a while. Flash is the kind of player who will work hard at where he lacks. He will go back and look at the replay and destroy Rain next time.
nothing
eSen1a
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1058 Posts
April 06 2013 07:09 GMT
#2257
can't believe i missed this, gonna cry now
Archybaldie
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom818 Posts
April 06 2013 07:09 GMT
#2258
On April 06 2013 16:09 eSen1a wrote:
can't believe i missed this, gonna cry now


Yes ... you should cry, i'm not going to sugar coat it ... it really was that good. Here have a box of tissues.

I hope i helped and have a nice day! :D
I'm in the bubblewrap league ... i just keep getting popped
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
April 06 2013 07:11 GMT
#2259
On April 06 2013 16:09 eSen1a wrote:
can't believe i missed this, gonna cry now


it's not on in the middle of the night for you guys!
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 07:12:15
April 06 2013 07:11 GMT
#2260
On April 06 2013 16:09 eSen1a wrote:
can't believe i missed this, gonna cry now


You can watch the Korean VODs here (once it's uploaded).

But yeah, epic series.

Besides the PvPs (either they were really short or "standard"; though the Parting game did have neat play from Parting), each game was really entertaining.

The ZvZ wasn't a boring Muta vs Muta (it was MUTA VS NYDUS!).

The Rain vs Flash series was definitely the highlight IMO (outside of the return of Bisu that is).
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