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The usual: Don't flame casters or players. Don't discuss balance in this or any LR thread. Don't call your fellow posters idiots. Be excited, happy and entertained.
openbox1
Profile Joined March 2011
1393 Posts
March 16 2013 23:56 GMT
#7121
On March 17 2013 08:55 Bore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:53 mordk wrote:
People stop with this whining, boost is at an advantage because it's an ability that needs to be reacted to, and since the game is young players haven't developed the correct responses yet. You need to shut up and wait


Wait 2 years like in wol? and then balance is swinged totally to another corner.


I hope they adopt a wait and see philosophy like they did with Infestor and Queen buff.
habbey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States405 Posts
March 16 2013 23:56 GMT
#7122
On March 17 2013 08:48 iky43210 wrote:
can't emphasize on TB's point enough. Most of the top terran in sc2 are in MLG, whereas not really for protoss and zerg. MVP, flash, innovation, bomber, last, mkp, Taeja, Polt?

what does the zerg have? Leenock and life, maybe stephano and sen.

Racewise its so stack it just isn't fair. But skillwise, this is a great MLG to watch


This really can't be pointed out enough -- I feel like this is a constant problem for MLG, it always has the top terrans and like 1 or 2 good players form the other races (well at least they used to have that problem this is the first MLG i've watched in about 9 months).
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
March 16 2013 23:56 GMT
#7123
On March 17 2013 08:55 edgeOut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:50 Zealously wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:47 Bam Lee wrote:
i have a feeling people are underestimating the amount of effort it takes to play like innovation did o.O


I have a great deal of respect for Innovation's insane multitasking, but I'll admit I get kind of frustrated when a player as good as Leenock can't even take a game because there is no way to defend everywhere at once, and there seems to be no way to stop the drops.

I'm confident the Zergs will find a way eventually, but this series was brutal.


Maybe the reason is Leenock is just not good enough, Life probably can do better.

Oh boy here it comes.

Prepare for another "Terran are just better players thread" soon.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
March 16 2013 23:56 GMT
#7124
Okay, I'm alright now with Thorzain spoiling my clean prediction record, just get me Jjakji vs Rain in there.
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
March 16 2013 23:56 GMT
#7125
On March 17 2013 08:55 openbox1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:48 iky43210 wrote:
can't emphasize on TB's point enough. Most of the top terran in sc2 are in MLG, whereas not really for protoss and zerg. MVP, flash, innovation, bomber, last, mkp, Taeja, Polt?

what does the zerg have? Leenock and life, maybe stephano and sen.

Racewise its so stack it just isn't fair. But skillwise, this is a great MLG to watch


Protoss seemed well represented, at least initially.
? Bear in mind Seed, Hero, got knocked out. Parting/MC/Rain are still in the tournament.

Zerg, Leenock and Life are pretty two of the top Zergs no? Sure it would be nice to have Hyun in the mix as well, but Zerg doesn't seem to be doing well in HOTS, hence all the balance whining.

That's coz a few top Zergs were busy prepping for a certain WoL finals
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
March 16 2013 23:56 GMT
#7126
On March 17 2013 08:55 Grumbels wrote:
Did the entire EG team get food poisoning or something?


No they are just not top caliber players atm.
The curse is real
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
March 16 2013 23:56 GMT
#7127
--- Nuked ---
Instigata
Profile Joined April 2004
United States546 Posts
March 16 2013 23:56 GMT
#7128
Funny the effects of previous terran nerfs weeded out the weak ones. So now when the game is more balanced these Korean terrans are destroying everyone. Terrans are so op again that foreigners can't win with them still. lol

User was warned for this post
SC2 was doomed from the start.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
March 16 2013 23:56 GMT
#7129
On March 17 2013 08:52 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:48 iky43210 wrote:
can't emphasize on TB's point enough. Most of the top terran in sc2 are in MLG, whereas not really for protoss and zerg. MVP, flash, innovation, bomber, last, mkp, Taeja, Polt?

what does the zerg have? Leenock and life, maybe stephano and sen.

Racewise its so stack it just isn't fair. But skillwise, this is a great MLG to watch

There is a reason they are not here. They got slaughtered by Terrans in the qualifiers.

Because they were busy winning in wol tourneys instead of practicing HotS, and oh the same shit doesn't work anymore on this game.

Leenock was said to be very bad at HotS in the clanwar vs Prime because he got no practice on it.
WriterMaru
eXeZerg
Profile Joined February 2013
95 Posts
March 16 2013 23:56 GMT
#7130
I really think they should stop making mines hit air...
Then mutalisk can actually herras again with less risk.
As it is now zerg can't herras at all because it's too risky while terran has NO RISK at all with their drops
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
March 16 2013 23:56 GMT
#7131
On March 17 2013 08:50 Insoleet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:47 Giriath wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:43 Qikz wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:42 duct_TAPE wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:41 Wrathsc2 wrote:
leenock playing terrible


leenock playing greeat


Leenock ignores static defense 3 games in a row and loses loads of drones every time. If that's great play, I feel that the game was soured by zerg skill in WoL.


The key word is static. Terran can drop and kill drones, hatchery or tech. Build static defenses to defend all three and you won't have any units.


Because of medivac boost, placing spores in the path of medivacs is totally useless. They can just run away and go drop somewhere else.

This ability is fun to watch, but it'll be hard to balance obviously...

Scourge-like units could be a good fix.


Scourge would break all ZvT and ZvP, probably.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
March 16 2013 23:56 GMT
#7132
On March 17 2013 08:55 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:53 Emzeeshady wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:52 S_SienZ wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:51 Tobblish wrote:
On March 17 2013 08:48 iky43210 wrote:
can't emphasize on TB's point enough. Most of the top terran in sc2 are in MLG, whereas not really for protoss and zerg. MVP, flash, innovation, bomber, last, mkp, Taeja, Polt?

what does the zerg have? Leenock and life, maybe stephano and sen.

Racewise its so stack it just isn't fair. But skillwise, this is a great MLG to watch


You you realize that Life and Leenock is in the top 4 Zerg at least.
Stephano is a foreigner zerg that haven't adjusted well against koreans right now and certainly not HOTS.

2 of the top 4 Zergs vs 8 of the top 10 Terrans, gee I wonder why Zerg isnt doing better this tourney.

TB's point stands.

It doesn't, all the best Zergs but Life and Leenock lost in qualifiers


Life and Leenock are only at MLG because they placed in the Top 4 at MLG Fall Championship - they did not participate in the qualifiers.

QUalifiers played on a patch with way different balance though.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
rpgalon
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil1069 Posts
March 16 2013 23:56 GMT
#7133
On March 17 2013 08:47 Bam Lee wrote:
i have a feeling people are underestimating the amount of effort it takes to play like innovation did o.O

you are underestimating the amount of effort it takes to defend multiple queued up drops.
badog
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
March 16 2013 23:56 GMT
#7134
Flash is known for top 5 plays.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 16 2013 23:56 GMT
#7135
On March 17 2013 08:53 RogerShah wrote:
No EG-player surviving the first round :/


They went 0-4
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 23:57:05
March 16 2013 23:56 GMT
#7136
Misquote
AdministratorBreak the chains
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
March 16 2013 23:57 GMT
#7137
On March 17 2013 08:54 butchji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 08:53 sitromit wrote:
Flash doesn't play the bio/mine style that Bogus and Last used and plays more passively. Ret still has a chance.


I guess you didn't see the showmatch Life vs FlaSh @ the HotS launch party?

Flash made mines in that game, and in the first couple of games against Bly, but he still plays bio tank. He uses mines just for support, doesn't make a lot. It's different from the bio/mine style that I'm talking about.
zerglingrodeo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States910 Posts
March 16 2013 23:57 GMT
#7138
I want to believe, Thorzain.
"This is how philosophers should salute one another: 'Take your time!'' - Wittgenstein
Slangen
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden1166 Posts
March 16 2013 23:57 GMT
#7139
r16 and 13 koreans and those three who aint dident meet a korean in r32.
Koreans are to good. Hope MVP wins this thing.
Fnatic - TSM - EG
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 16 2013 23:57 GMT
#7140
Thorzain first Terran to lose to a non Terran ;o
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