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On February 01 2013 19:47 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 19:47 Grumbels wrote:On February 01 2013 19:44 blade55555 wrote:On February 01 2013 19:43 Fionn wrote:On February 01 2013 19:42 Devolved wrote:On February 01 2013 19:37 decado90 wrote:On February 01 2013 19:35 Type|NarutO wrote:On February 01 2013 19:34 decado90 wrote:On February 01 2013 19:18 Vertigro wrote:On February 01 2013 19:16 Dudasc wrote:
You, fanboys, are being so blind, bogus is far way of "toughest opponent in gsl". Just look at this game, DRG saved that hatch like a boss, stephano still didnt show he is code S material.
stephano has proven himself repeatedly... you don't win the tournaments he has without being 'pretty good' I imagine Stephano has NEVER won an MLG, has won nothing since he 'beat' Bomber at LSC2 by losing to him in the finals, has lost early in foreign gutter events such as dreamhack, and has recently lost to players such as IdrA and Xlord. Best foreigner? So what? there are 100 Koreans that could have that title. He hasn't proved anything except that he's not that good at SC2 compared to Koreans. Today is just another example of a long line of examples of why giving seeds to foreigners is moronic. Did you see the player list of guys that lost in the Code B qualifiers? It's comprised of literally dozens of players more talented, and that train harder than Stephano could have dream of. They don't get paid 1,000s of dollars and they're not pampered. They labor all day every day to have a shot at GSL and a player like Stephano gets seeded into Code S. Such an action should bring bile to their throats. Stephano earned his Code S spot long time in the past.... now Polt dropped out and he has taken it. If any foreigner did "earn" a spot, its Stephano, because he literally earned it and not got it credited because he's foreigner. He just never took it until now. He didn't "literally" earn it. No foreigner has ever made it through the Code A qualifiers and neither did he. Didn't Huk back in the day? Or Jinro? Jinro made it through the open season qualifiers. No foreigner ever made Code A through the qualifiers for WoL. Yeah Idra and Jinro were the only 2 players I think to legitimately earn code S though from open season and stuff from qualifying for the open to getting into code S. I hope Scarlett will try for the qualifiers next season, she might have a chance. Wasn't there talk about her getting a seed?
Realistically, if there are still seeds when Scarlett goes to Korea, she's gonna get offered one.
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On February 01 2013 19:49 TheBB wrote:(1913) INnoVation 0-0 DongRaeGu (2416)
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9.66% 2-0 0-2 47.49%
13.32% 2-1 1-2 29.53%
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22.98% 77.02%
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INnoVation 1-2 DongRaeGu
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On February 01 2013 19:47 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 19:47 Grumbels wrote:On February 01 2013 19:44 blade55555 wrote:On February 01 2013 19:43 Fionn wrote:On February 01 2013 19:42 Devolved wrote:On February 01 2013 19:37 decado90 wrote:On February 01 2013 19:35 Type|NarutO wrote:On February 01 2013 19:34 decado90 wrote:On February 01 2013 19:18 Vertigro wrote:On February 01 2013 19:16 Dudasc wrote:
You, fanboys, are being so blind, bogus is far way of "toughest opponent in gsl". Just look at this game, DRG saved that hatch like a boss, stephano still didnt show he is code S material.
stephano has proven himself repeatedly... you don't win the tournaments he has without being 'pretty good' I imagine Stephano has NEVER won an MLG, has won nothing since he 'beat' Bomber at LSC2 by losing to him in the finals, has lost early in foreign gutter events such as dreamhack, and has recently lost to players such as IdrA and Xlord. Best foreigner? So what? there are 100 Koreans that could have that title. He hasn't proved anything except that he's not that good at SC2 compared to Koreans. Today is just another example of a long line of examples of why giving seeds to foreigners is moronic. Did you see the player list of guys that lost in the Code B qualifiers? It's comprised of literally dozens of players more talented, and that train harder than Stephano could have dream of. They don't get paid 1,000s of dollars and they're not pampered. They labor all day every day to have a shot at GSL and a player like Stephano gets seeded into Code S. Such an action should bring bile to their throats. Stephano earned his Code S spot long time in the past.... now Polt dropped out and he has taken it. If any foreigner did "earn" a spot, its Stephano, because he literally earned it and not got it credited because he's foreigner. He just never took it until now. He didn't "literally" earn it. No foreigner has ever made it through the Code A qualifiers and neither did he. Didn't Huk back in the day? Or Jinro? Jinro made it through the open season qualifiers. No foreigner ever made Code A through the qualifiers for WoL. Yeah Idra and Jinro were the only 2 players I think to legitimately earn code S though from open season and stuff from qualifying for the open to getting into code S. I hope Scarlett will try for the qualifiers next season, she might have a chance. Wasn't there talk about her getting a seed?
Last I heard she didn't like getting a free seed, but who knows.
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On February 01 2013 19:50 Type|NarutO wrote:
Stephano Record vs players still in current GSL Code S
vs PartinG 2-0
vs Taeja 1-2
vs Life 1-2
vs MC 11-14
vs Symbol 0-2
vs Curious 2-1
vs Bomber 8-7
vs Squirtle 3-1
vs MarineKing 4-6
Thats just for the people he has a record against that are still in GSL Code S in the running season, its 32-35. Thats 47,76% winrate against just Code S (at least top 16 players). Yes, Stephano didn't show his absolute best games against BoguS, but you guys are so harsh for it. BoguS is insanely good and Stephano is well known for being very good. How can you dismiss a guy and his history of winning lots of games even against Code S calibre for 2 games?
How can you name him not Code-S calibre when he already showed it? Want more?
vs Ryung 5-5
vs MMA 0-2
vs your beloved HuK 6-0
vs Genius 2-0
vs Heart 6-3
vs KeeN 2-1
vs Polt 15-16
vs TheStC 7-4
Its fine that you are upset or not a fan of Stephano, but forgetting or, IGNORING more so his history and calling him out as non-Code-S worthy... is stupid and ignorant, sorry to say is that harsh. Even though I would say that DRG/BoguS are more "DESERVING" or better to advance in that group, Stephano with another group with Protoss especially might have made it more easy for him. Some guys :x
47.76%? So the worst player in Code S?
Code S level for sure.
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On February 01 2013 19:50 Type|NarutO wrote:
Stephano Record vs players still in current GSL Code S
vs PartinG 2-0
vs Taeja 1-2
vs Life 1-2
vs MC 11-14
vs Symbol 0-2
vs Curious 2-1
vs Bomber 8-7
vs Squirtle 3-1
vs MarineKing 4-6
Thats just for the people he has a record against that are still in GSL Code S in the running season, its 32-35. Thats 47,76% winrate against just Code S (at least top 16 players). Yes, Stephano didn't show his absolute best games against BoguS, but you guys are so harsh for it. BoguS is insanely good and Stephano is well known for being very good. How can you dismiss a guy and his history of winning lots of games even against Code S calibre for 2 games?
How can you name him not Code-S calibre when he already showed it? Want more?
vs Ryung 5-5
vs MMA 0-2
vs your beloved HuK 6-0
vs Genius 2-0
vs Heart 6-3
vs KeeN 2-1
vs Polt 15-16
vs TheStC 7-4
Its fine that you are upset or not a fan of Stephano, but forgetting or, IGNORING more so his history and calling him out as non-Code-S worthy... is stupid and ignorant, sorry to say is that harsh. Even though I would say that DRG/BoguS are more "DESERVING" or better to advance in that group, Stephano with another group with Protoss especially might have made it more easy for him. Some guys :x
there must be something wrong, stephano didnt play only 3 games with taeja.. and 95% of these games were played in foreigner tournaments.
EDIT: lol 3-1 squirtle? 2-0 genius? wasnt that like 1 year ago?
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On February 01 2013 19:51 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 19:47 Heartland wrote:On February 01 2013 19:47 Grumbels wrote:On February 01 2013 19:44 blade55555 wrote:On February 01 2013 19:43 Fionn wrote:On February 01 2013 19:42 Devolved wrote:On February 01 2013 19:37 decado90 wrote:On February 01 2013 19:35 Type|NarutO wrote:On February 01 2013 19:34 decado90 wrote:On February 01 2013 19:18 Vertigro wrote:
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stephano has proven himself repeatedly... you don't win the tournaments he has without being 'pretty good' I imagine Stephano has NEVER won an MLG, has won nothing since he 'beat' Bomber at LSC2 by losing to him in the finals, has lost early in foreign gutter events such as dreamhack, and has recently lost to players such as IdrA and Xlord. Best foreigner? So what? there are 100 Koreans that could have that title. He hasn't proved anything except that he's not that good at SC2 compared to Koreans. Today is just another example of a long line of examples of why giving seeds to foreigners is moronic. Did you see the player list of guys that lost in the Code B qualifiers? It's comprised of literally dozens of players more talented, and that train harder than Stephano could have dream of. They don't get paid 1,000s of dollars and they're not pampered. They labor all day every day to have a shot at GSL and a player like Stephano gets seeded into Code S. Such an action should bring bile to their throats. Stephano earned his Code S spot long time in the past.... now Polt dropped out and he has taken it. If any foreigner did "earn" a spot, its Stephano, because he literally earned it and not got it credited because he's foreigner. He just never took it until now. He didn't "literally" earn it. No foreigner has ever made it through the Code A qualifiers and neither did he. Didn't Huk back in the day? Or Jinro? Jinro made it through the open season qualifiers. No foreigner ever made Code A through the qualifiers for WoL. Yeah Idra and Jinro were the only 2 players I think to legitimately earn code S though from open season and stuff from qualifying for the open to getting into code S. I hope Scarlett will try for the qualifiers next season, she might have a chance. Wasn't there talk about her getting a seed? Last I heard she didn't like getting a free seed, but who knows.
If that's true then my respeck for Scarlett just shot up.
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Honestly, Wolf have such a fucking amazing solo cast qualities.
I remember back in the days when he did those solo casts and god how I have missed them.
He is the BEST solo caster ever.
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On February 01 2013 19:37 decado90 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 19:35 Type|NarutO wrote:On February 01 2013 19:34 decado90 wrote:On February 01 2013 19:18 Vertigro wrote:On February 01 2013 19:16 Dudasc wrote:
You, fanboys, are being so blind, bogus is far way of "toughest opponent in gsl". Just look at this game, DRG saved that hatch like a boss, stephano still didnt show he is code S material.
stephano has proven himself repeatedly... you don't win the tournaments he has without being 'pretty good' i imagine Stephano has NEVER won an MLG, has won nothing since he 'beat' Bomber at LSC2 by losing to him in the finals, has lost early in foreign gutter events such as dreamhack, and has recently lost to players such as idra and xlord. Best foreigner? So what? there are 100 Koreans that could have that titile. He hasn't proved anything except that he's not that good at SC2 compared to Koreans. Today is just another example of a long line of examples of why giving seeds to foreigners is moronic. Did you see the player list of guys that lost in the Code B qualifiers? It's comprised of literally dozens of players more talented, and that train harder than Stephano could have dream of. They don't get paid 1,000s of dollars and they're not pampered. They labor all day every day to have a shot at GSL and a player like Stephano gets seeded into Code S. Such an action should bring bile to their throats. User was warned for this post Stephano earned his Code S spot long time in the past.... now Polt dropped out and he has taken it. If any foreigner did "earn" a spot, its Stephano, because he literally earned it and not got it credited because he's foreigner. He just never took it until now. He didn't "literally" earn it. No foreigner has ever made it through the Code A qualifiers and neither did he.
Yes he literally did it. Because there was an agreement for winning a major tournament would earn you a Code S seed.../spot.
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On February 01 2013 19:50 Type|NarutO wrote:
Stephano Record vs players still in current GSL Code S
vs PartinG 2-0
vs Taeja 1-2
vs Life 1-2
vs MC 11-14
vs Symbol 0-2
vs Curious 2-1
vs Bomber 8-7
vs Squirtle 3-1
vs MarineKing 4-6
Thats just for the people he has a record against that are still in GSL Code S in the running season, its 32-35. Thats 47,76% winrate against just Code S (at least top 16 players). Yes, Stephano didn't show his absolute best games against BoguS, but you guys are so harsh for it. BoguS is insanely good and Stephano is well known for being very good. How can you dismiss a guy and his history of winning lots of games even against Code S calibre for 2 games?
How can you name him not Code-S calibre when he already showed it? Want more?
vs Ryung 5-5
vs MMA 0-2
vs your beloved HuK 6-0
vs Genius 2-0
vs Heart 6-3
vs KeeN 2-1
vs Polt 15-16
vs TheStC 7-4
Its fine that you are upset or not a fan of Stephano, but forgetting or, IGNORING more so his history and calling him out as non-Code-S worthy... is stupid and ignorant, sorry to say is that harsh. Even though I would say that DRG/BoguS are more "DESERVING" or better to advance in that group, Stephano with another group with Protoss especially might have made it more easy for him. Some guys :x
Thank you for setting things right. Maybe some people will refrain from talking shit for a while.
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On February 01 2013 19:50 mycro wrote:
Let's see how good innovations ZvT is.
we already saw that vs Stephano, I think he is going to have big problems to get through since he has to now beat either Bogus or DRG in the final round which is going to be extremely hard.
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On February 01 2013 19:52 Dudasc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 19:50 Type|NarutO wrote:
Stephano Record vs players still in current GSL Code S
vs PartinG 2-0
vs Taeja 1-2
vs Life 1-2
vs MC 11-14
vs Symbol 0-2
vs Curious 2-1
vs Bomber 8-7
vs Squirtle 3-1
vs MarineKing 4-6
Thats just for the people he has a record against that are still in GSL Code S in the running season, its 32-35. Thats 47,76% winrate against just Code S (at least top 16 players). Yes, Stephano didn't show his absolute best games against BoguS, but you guys are so harsh for it. BoguS is insanely good and Stephano is well known for being very good. How can you dismiss a guy and his history of winning lots of games even against Code S calibre for 2 games?
How can you name him not Code-S calibre when he already showed it? Want more?
vs Ryung 5-5
vs MMA 0-2
vs your beloved HuK 6-0
vs Genius 2-0
vs Heart 6-3
vs KeeN 2-1
vs Polt 15-16
vs TheStC 7-4
Its fine that you are upset or not a fan of Stephano, but forgetting or, IGNORING more so his history and calling him out as non-Code-S worthy... is stupid and ignorant, sorry to say is that harsh. Even though I would say that DRG/BoguS are more "DESERVING" or better to advance in that group, Stephano with another group with Protoss especially might have made it more easy for him. Some guys :x
there must be something wrong, stephano didnt play only 3 games with taeja.. and 95% of these games were played in foreigner tournaments
Player against a Code-S Champion in a foreign tournament does make it less legitimate? Really? Also data is from TLPD.
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On February 01 2013 19:52 derpface wrote:
Honestly, Wolf have such a fucking amazing solo cast qualities.
I remember back in the days when he did those solo casts and god how I have missed them.
He is the BEST solo caster ever.
You do have a point, I'm not noticing the fact that tastosis isn't even here.
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On February 01 2013 19:50 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 19:49 TheBB wrote:(1913) INnoVation 0-0 DongRaeGu (2416)
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9.66% 2-0 0-2 47.49%
13.32% 2-1 1-2 29.53%
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22.98% 77.02%
Median outcome
INnoVation 1-2 DongRaeGu Why would you use median when you could use mode! Mode is the best!
the mode is easy to see by looking at the percentages, the mode is DRG winning 2-0
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On February 01 2013 19:52 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 19:50 Type|NarutO wrote:
Stephano Record vs players still in current GSL Code S
vs PartinG 2-0
vs Taeja 1-2
vs Life 1-2
vs MC 11-14
vs Symbol 0-2
vs Curious 2-1
vs Bomber 8-7
vs Squirtle 3-1
vs MarineKing 4-6
Thats just for the people he has a record against that are still in GSL Code S in the running season, its 32-35. Thats 47,76% winrate against just Code S (at least top 16 players). Yes, Stephano didn't show his absolute best games against BoguS, but you guys are so harsh for it. BoguS is insanely good and Stephano is well known for being very good. How can you dismiss a guy and his history of winning lots of games even against Code S calibre for 2 games?
How can you name him not Code-S calibre when he already showed it? Want more?
vs Ryung 5-5
vs MMA 0-2
vs your beloved HuK 6-0
vs Genius 2-0
vs Heart 6-3
vs KeeN 2-1
vs Polt 15-16
vs TheStC 7-4
Its fine that you are upset or not a fan of Stephano, but forgetting or, IGNORING more so his history and calling him out as non-Code-S worthy... is stupid and ignorant, sorry to say is that harsh. Even though I would say that DRG/BoguS are more "DESERVING" or better to advance in that group, Stephano with another group with Protoss especially might have made it more easy for him. Some guys :x
Thank you for setting things right. Maybe some people will refrain from talking shit for a while.
But do you think it will happen?
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On February 01 2013 19:52 derpface wrote:
Honestly, Wolf have such a fucking amazing solo cast qualities.
I remember back in the days when he did those solo casts and god how I have missed them.
He is the BEST solo caster ever.
I wasn't a big fan of him then. He's incredible now though.
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On February 01 2013 19:52 decado90 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 19:50 Type|NarutO wrote:
Stephano Record vs players still in current GSL Code S
vs PartinG 2-0
vs Taeja 1-2
vs Life 1-2
vs MC 11-14
vs Symbol 0-2
vs Curious 2-1
vs Bomber 8-7
vs Squirtle 3-1
vs MarineKing 4-6
Thats just for the people he has a record against that are still in GSL Code S in the running season, its 32-35. Thats 47,76% winrate against just Code S (at least top 16 players). Yes, Stephano didn't show his absolute best games against BoguS, but you guys are so harsh for it. BoguS is insanely good and Stephano is well known for being very good. How can you dismiss a guy and his history of winning lots of games even against Code S calibre for 2 games?
How can you name him not Code-S calibre when he already showed it? Want more?
vs Ryung 5-5
vs MMA 0-2
vs your beloved HuK 6-0
vs Genius 2-0
vs Heart 6-3
vs KeeN 2-1
vs Polt 15-16
vs TheStC 7-4
Its fine that you are upset or not a fan of Stephano, but forgetting or, IGNORING more so his history and calling him out as non-Code-S worthy... is stupid and ignorant, sorry to say is that harsh. Even though I would say that DRG/BoguS are more "DESERVING" or better to advance in that group, Stephano with another group with Protoss especially might have made it more easy for him. Some guys :x
47.76%? So the worst player in Code S? Code S level for sure.
Very poor response.
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On February 01 2013 19:52 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 19:51 Grumbels wrote:On February 01 2013 19:47 Heartland wrote:On February 01 2013 19:47 Grumbels wrote:On February 01 2013 19:44 blade55555 wrote:On February 01 2013 19:43 Fionn wrote:On February 01 2013 19:42 Devolved wrote:On February 01 2013 19:37 decado90 wrote:On February 01 2013 19:35 Type|NarutO wrote:On February 01 2013 19:34 decado90 wrote:
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Stephano has NEVER won an MLG, has won nothing since he 'beat' Bomber at LSC2 by losing to him in the finals, has lost early in foreign gutter events such as dreamhack, and has recently lost to players such as IdrA and Xlord.
Best foreigner? So what? there are 100 Koreans that could have that title. He hasn't proved anything except that he's not that good at SC2 compared to Koreans.
Today is just another example of a long line of examples of why giving seeds to foreigners is moronic. Did you see the player list of guys that lost in the Code B qualifiers? It's comprised of literally dozens of players more talented, and that train harder than Stephano could have dream of. They don't get paid 1,000s of dollars and they're not pampered. They labor all day every day to have a shot at GSL and a player like Stephano gets seeded into Code S. Such an action should bring bile to their throats.
Stephano earned his Code S spot long time in the past.... now Polt dropped out and he has taken it. If any foreigner did "earn" a spot, its Stephano, because he literally earned it and not got it credited because he's foreigner. He just never took it until now. He didn't "literally" earn it. No foreigner has ever made it through the Code A qualifiers and neither did he. Didn't Huk back in the day? Or Jinro? Jinro made it through the open season qualifiers. No foreigner ever made Code A through the qualifiers for WoL. Yeah Idra and Jinro were the only 2 players I think to legitimately earn code S though from open season and stuff from qualifying for the open to getting into code S. I hope Scarlett will try for the qualifiers next season, she might have a chance. Wasn't there talk about her getting a seed? Last I heard she didn't like getting a free seed, but who knows. If that's true then my respeck for Scarlett just shot up.
Scarlett's pretty bouse. #1 fan here.
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On February 01 2013 19:50 Type|NarutO wrote:
Stephano Record vs players still in current GSL Code S
vs PartinG 2-0
vs Taeja 1-2
vs Life 1-2
vs MC 11-14
vs Symbol 0-2
vs Curious 2-1
vs Bomber 8-7
vs Squirtle 3-1
vs MarineKing 4-6
Thats just for the people he has a record against that are still in GSL Code S in the running season, its 32-35. Thats 47,76% winrate against just Code S (at least top 16 players). Yes, Stephano didn't show his absolute best games against BoguS, but you guys are so harsh for it. BoguS is insanely good and Stephano is well known for being very good. How can you dismiss a guy and his history of winning lots of games even against Code S calibre for 2 games?
How can you name him not Code-S calibre when he already showed it? Want more?
vs Ryung 5-5
vs MMA 0-2
vs your beloved HuK 6-0
vs Genius 2-0
vs Heart 6-3
vs KeeN 2-1
vs Polt 15-16
vs TheStC 7-4
Its fine that you are upset or not a fan of Stephano, but forgetting or, IGNORING more so his history and calling him out as non-Code-S worthy... is stupid and ignorant, sorry to say is that harsh. Even though I would say that DRG/BoguS are more "DESERVING" or better to advance in that group, Stephano with another group with Protoss especially might have made it more easy for him. Some guys :x
Your data isn't up to date...he at least beat MMA 3-1 recently in iron squid and MKP in numericable...he's 5-2 against MC in their most recent matches which aren't in TLPD yet.
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