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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On December 26 2012 13:39 CeriseCherries wrote: guys. you are tearing us apart. this is just what the korean teams want us to do True, this is a time for us to unite and face off other teams! But I have to admit that the temptation to diss the other team is strong  | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On December 26 2012 13:49 Nyvis wrote: Did I miss a 2-3 record in GSTL ? No. Proleague is starting to look better, but it's still far from being top-tier korean, only one or two players per team are really top-tier. And EGTL roster is far from being all foreigner. Most of their wins are on the back of their korean players. Still waiting for stephano playing in it ! All of their wins are from their Korean squads. When they have Revival and Stephano in the mix EG TL should be way more of a threat. Right now they don't have quite enough power hitters to make a truly scary six man line up but with two more additions we should see EG TL win more. | ||
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mtn
729 Posts
On December 26 2012 13:24 Rhaegar_tar wrote: As surprisingly as it may sound, and all bias aside(i know i's kinda hard in this place), EG can benefit from TL as much as TL can benefit from EG(and if you bring up TL's record against EG's, you'll have to remember that EG's best player has not played a single match yet)... Yeah, on this I agree ^^ You have a point. | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2550 Posts
On December 26 2012 14:01 Promethelax wrote: All of their wins are from their Korean squads. When they have Revival and Stephano in the mix EG TL should be way more of a threat. Right now they don't have quite enough power hitters to make a truly scary six man line up but with two more additions we should see EG TL win more. Exactly, EG's ace isnt even with them yet and Revival is also a good card. They have a 2-3 record which isnt even bad with two match 3-4, really could have been two wins. I'm sure they will make it to the playoff and in the end both EG and TL will contribute to it. | ||
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WhiteSatin
United States308 Posts
then, i left when they were loosing 0-3 and i thought it was for sure over, came back to see the good news !! goddamit lol. btw i'm so glad tajea was the ace, good choice. i love seeing the camera shot of his face when he's playing cause when he's about to win he's all smiley and giggly ahaha such a nice guy ! | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On December 26 2012 13:49 Nyvis wrote: Did I miss a 2-3 record in GSTL ? No. Proleague is starting to look better, but it's still far from being top-tier korean, only one or two players per team are really top-tier. And EGTL roster is far from being all foreigner. Most of their wins are on the back of their korean players. Still waiting for stephano playing in it ! Seriously? Man, nothing is good enough for some people. It's hard to read an LR thread these days for any tournament without reading about how the tournament is "not high level enough". Proleague may not be Code S, that much is true, but at least half of the matches played are of the same quality. It's taken extremely seriously in Korea, moreso than the GSTL, and the teams are incredibly motivated to win. It IS top-tier competition. And EGTL came close to winning 4 out of their 5 matches against that competition, WITHOUT two of their best players. That said, Liquid does suffer from a lack of active players, and EG suffers from having too many active players. But let's be real here, a lineup of HerO, TaeJa, Revival, Jaedong, JYP, and Stephano would perform very well in any team format. | ||
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 26 2012 13:22 opterown wrote: they're not exactly doing badly so far though Yeah, if you ignore that they're two teams that have banded together and are playing as one. And even so only manage to hit the low ranks among teams made of players that have played the game for several months only, and many still struggle with the very basics (as you're so quick to point out in the LR threads =p). | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 26 2012 19:06 Talin wrote: Yeah, if you ignore that they're two teams that have banded together and are playing as one. And even so only manage to hit the low ranks among teams made of players that have played the game for several months only, and many still struggle with the very basics (as you're so quick to point out in the LR threads =p). yeah, but think about the different motivations for the teams and stuff behind this; we've heard time and time again that PL is the number one priority for kespa teams, since it's best for sponsor ROI, and that they concentrate on PL more than, say, individual leagues. on the other hand, we have two foreign-managed teams who aren't concentrating their efforts in korea. as an excursion into PL, they've done acceptably so far, with close losses (apart from the KT drubbing lol). also the only time i ragged especially on a kespa progamer was fantasy vs. roro, iirc, lol, that was a pretty bad game :p | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
As for the close losses, they were much less close than going from 0-3 to 4-3, which is pretty much the luckiest win you can get regardless of lineups. | ||
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styleworks79
United States127 Posts
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ZerglingTwins
United States850 Posts
People care, that's very good, not like some individual leagues with only ZvZ. After certain rounds, lots of people will just leave. | ||
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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
On December 26 2012 20:45 styleworks79 wrote: It's not the game quality that is killing me but those two casters, especially SNM, very annoying. I just turn the audio off. What's the point? All they do is repeat what they see on screen, they offer no insights or commentary. Also, who the fuck ever thought it was a good idea for a guy with a speech impediment to produce audio content? | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On December 26 2012 19:22 Talin wrote: They're concentrating on Proleague right now and have what many people would consider an experienced and decent roster in Korea (made out mostly of Koreans) doing nothing else but Proleague. This may or may not be the case come spring and summer, but it is the case right now. As for the close losses, they were much less close than going from 0-3 to 4-3, which is pretty much the luckiest win you can get regardless of lineups. Not sure how going from 0-3 to 4-3 can be spun as a lucky win? Maybe if all the last four wins were BO or cheese wins? | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
well, at least we're not as bad as Samsung | ||
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SebaZ
Italy223 Posts
On December 25 2012 17:00 OhThatDang wrote: Its weird when I watch the games from other teams I always wonder why EGTL seems to be having tough times against the same opponents that are playing pretty bad in their other games. quite frustrating T___T! I wonder if the gimmicky nature of the Pro League maps is giving problems to the older players. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 27 2012 11:03 babylon wrote: Not sure how going from 0-3 to 4-3 can be spun as a lucky win? Maybe if all the last four wins were BO or cheese wins? It's not spun, it's basic probability. Every player has at the very least a 20-30% chance to win a game at progamer level. When a team is up 3-0, winning 4 sets in a row to bring it back is the least likely outcome, regardless of how the games went. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On December 28 2012 04:03 Talin wrote: It's not spun, it's basic probability. Every player has at the very least a 20-30% chance to win a game at progamer level. When a team is up 3-0, winning 4 sets in a row to bring it back is the least likely outcome, regardless of how the games went. Actually, basic probability would tell you that there's no difference between starting down 0-3 and then going 3-0, or alternating wins and losses until it ends up 3-3. Neither is luckier or closer than the other. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 28 2012 04:17 Cel.erity wrote: Actually, basic probability would tell you that there's no difference between starting down 0-3 and then going 3-0, or alternating wins and losses until it ends up 3-3. Neither is luckier or closer than the other. Actually, not exactly. That would only be the case if the match didn't end at 4th win for either side and instead continued infinitely. With a goal of 4 wins, at a result of 3-0 the team in the lead must win one out of four games, whereas the team behind must win four out of four games. If your theory were correct, we would have seen the reverse all-kill scenario as often as we see any other result in a series. In reality, it's by far the least common one. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On December 28 2012 04:41 Talin wrote: Actually, not exactly. That would only be the case if the match didn't end at 4th win for either side and instead continued infinitely. With a goal of 4 wins, at a result of 3-0 the team in the lead must win one out of four games, whereas the team behind must win four out of four games. If your theory were correct, we would have seen the reverse all-kill scenario as often as we see any other result in a BO7. In reality, it's by far the least common one. No. Any type of result among 7 games (not factoring player skill, of course) has an equal chance of occurring. This could mean L,L,L,W,W,W,W, or it could mean W,L,W,L,W,L,L, or it could mean L,W,W,L,L,W,W. Reverse all-kill only seems like the least likely scenario because it's so drastic, and nobody makes a big deal when the wins and losses alternate "randomly". | ||
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