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NeutralDepot
Profile Joined December 2012
80 Posts
December 23 2012 21:53 GMT
#321
MVP made such a huge mistake to spread his army. Look at the pityful fights. He had 170 to 190 supply in one situation but all over the map. If he had kept his shit together he would have rolled the ling ultra army.
ShroudeD
Profile Joined August 2012
Greece1333 Posts
December 23 2012 21:53 GMT
#322
Well the only counter i can think of is mech.And marauder tank
Mvp,Fantasy 4ever
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
December 23 2012 21:53 GMT
#323
I think it's time to up this image again...

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Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
December 23 2012 21:53 GMT
#324
On December 24 2012 06:49 rasnj wrote:
At this point I think stephano is just trying to make a point with his refusal to produce infestors.


You dont need infestors when you are that far ahead.
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
December 23 2012 21:53 GMT
#325
On December 24 2012 06:52 Cokefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 06:51 Blackfish wrote:
Stephano trolling... I mean that game was one after 7 minutes rest is just some trolling never viable in a real game, you saw how the roach/hydra army melted there...

Did you not see how he demolished MKP in HSC6 just yesterday using roach hydra?

I'll reiterate, MKP was playing pretty badly there taking small engagements around the map. That's not what you want to vs roach hydra.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
December 23 2012 21:53 GMT
#326
On December 24 2012 06:52 NeonFox wrote:
That game also proved that roach hydra sucks hard once the terran is maxed out, Stephano lost something like 60 supply for 10 of MVP.


Did we need proof of that? Thought that was gospel.
decado90
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States480 Posts
December 23 2012 21:53 GMT
#327
On December 24 2012 06:50 Scrubwave wrote:
Ultras in hots are going to be fun.



In Hots, Ultras 2 shot marines, Hydras are as fast off creep as stimmed bio, vipers pull your tanks, swarm host locusts last 25 seconds and have higher dps than a stimmed marine, and fungal is better than it is in Wings.




Terran gets......

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"Be formless like water"- Bruce Lee
TaKemE
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1045 Posts
December 23 2012 21:54 GMT
#328
On December 24 2012 06:49 dangthatsright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 06:42 Salteador Neo wrote:
On December 24 2012 06:40 dangthatsright wrote:
What do hydras actually add to the composition against ground mech that more roaches wouldn't?
The way that looked, it feels like the same thing would have worked with straight roaches.
I guess you could deal with the banshee or something but I don't think the banshee was doing damage fast enough to make much of a difference anyways


Hydras don't take the Siege Tanks bonus damage against armored.


It seems to still be 3 shots to kill either way, so in terms of defensive stuff, I'm not seeing it.
Maybe the range/dps difference would be more clear in a game where the meching player is set up differently, cause mvp might have just died to a lot of things at that time.


Hydras do more dmg and are very good but the problem is they get raped by blue flame hellions if they get flanked and are slower.
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
December 23 2012 21:54 GMT
#329
On December 24 2012 06:51 Blackfish wrote:
Stephano trolling... I mean that game was one after 7 minutes rest is just some trolling never viable in a real game, you saw how the roach/hydra army melted there...

Melted? lol

That's the whole point, it traded so well that it took out more than half the army...so the remax of ultra/ling could 1a the rest..

It's just using roach/hydra as mid game map control and power presence, then trading armies and remaxing on late game army unit.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
December 23 2012 21:54 GMT
#330
Stephano smashed MVP/MMA/MKP in a single week. If you had told me this last year, I'd probably have called you delusional.
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
December 23 2012 21:54 GMT
#331
On December 24 2012 06:52 decado90 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 06:47 kollin wrote:
On December 24 2012 06:43 decado90 wrote:
On December 24 2012 06:39 Qwerty85 wrote:
On December 24 2012 06:37 decado90 wrote:
On December 24 2012 06:33 rasnj wrote:
On December 24 2012 06:30 littlebigs wrote:
I can't help but to see this as another zerg beating a terran. At least the usage of Hydra's makes it kinda cool.

You do realize how stupid that makes you right? Stephano plays a completely different style, and beats one of the best players in the world. He didn't abuse infestors or brood lords, so why would this be anything like what other zergs are doing?

I personally I'm not a big fan of how stephano presents himself and his mentality, but you can't help but admire his play at least. There is nothing ordinary about that.



Mvp is not "one of the best players in the world" anymore. He's fallen all the way down to 26th in tlpd and would be the underdog against quite a few foreign Zergs.


Afaik, he is the only terran that won gsl in 2012 and only terran who got to the finals of gsl in 2012.
This is a better indicator than being rated high on tlpd. He doesn't participate in that many tournaments as some other terrans like Taeja so even if he was in top form of 2011 he probably wouldn't be highest ranked terran.



Mvp actually still has the highest peak elo in SC2 history. Back when he was far and away the best player and the closest thing SC2 has had to a Bonjwa. He has falled quite far since his injury. He won a GSL, yea, but he looked ugly doing it.

If you actually watch his games you'll see his mechanics aren't up to par and his gameplay has suffered. He was dominated in the Blizzard Cup as well.


His group play has always been pretty meh, because his strength has been in preparing for games. That's why he's the only person (I think) to even get to 2 GSL finals this year, because that's where he is most comfortable playing.


And group play is far more indicative of skill than games prepared for. In group play you are forced into standard play, relying on mechanics and outplaying your opponents over the course of a long game.

You were impressed by MVP cheesing Naniwa 3 games in a row?


Thats your opinon. He beat Naniwa 3-1 and cheesed twice. He probably couldve beaten Nani 70 percent of the time in macro games but why bother when Nani plays so greedy he can be beat 90 percent of the time with early agression.
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
December 23 2012 21:54 GMT
#332
So Stephano has now beaten MVP, MKP and MMA with Hydra. I doubt it is thanks to random luck by now.
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-23 21:55:53
December 23 2012 21:55 GMT
#333
On December 24 2012 06:53 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 06:52 NeonFox wrote:
That game also proved that roach hydra sucks hard once the terran is maxed out, Stephano lost something like 60 supply for 10 of MVP.


Did we need proof of that? Thought that was gospel.


Given how some terrans are bitching you'd think it was the new unbeatable composition.

On December 24 2012 06:54 Eury wrote:
So Stephano has now beaten MVP, MKP and MMA with Hydra. I doubt it is thanks to random luck by now.


And Ganzi as well, even though he his the weakest of these 4 terrans.
Avicularia
Profile Joined February 2012
540 Posts
December 23 2012 21:55 GMT
#334
On December 24 2012 06:53 decado90 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 06:50 Scrubwave wrote:
Ultras in hots are going to be fun.



In Hots, Ultras 2 shot marines, Hydras are as fast off creep as stimmed bio, vipers pull your tanks, swarm host locusts last 25 seconds and have higher dps than a stimmed marine, and fungal is better than it is in Wings.




Terran gets......

Gets really strong medivacs, that together with marauders will just crush all roaches, and that's the main part of the army.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
December 23 2012 21:55 GMT
#335
On December 24 2012 06:54 StarVe wrote:
Stephano smashed MVP/MMA/MKP in a single week. If you had told me this last year, I'd probably have called you delusional.

With hydras mind you.
movac
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada494 Posts
December 23 2012 21:55 GMT
#336
my god! do wolf and khaldor ever stop casting? it seems like almost everything get's casted by them LOL. it's like they never run out of energy.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
December 23 2012 21:55 GMT
#337
On December 24 2012 06:55 Cokefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 06:54 StarVe wrote:
Stephano smashed MVP/MMA/MKP in a single week. If you had told me this last year, I'd probably have called you delusional.

With hydras mind you.

With hydras.
gwixter
Profile Joined January 2011
Slovakia336 Posts
December 23 2012 21:56 GMT
#338
On December 24 2012 06:54 StarVe wrote:
Stephano smashed MVP/MMA/MKP in a single week. If you had told me this last year, I'd probably have called you delusional.

games against MVP are probably older than week, but I'm not sure
"If you can chill, chill" - Liquid`Tyler || <3 Kiira Korpi :D
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
December 23 2012 21:56 GMT
#339
On December 24 2012 06:55 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 06:55 Cokefreak wrote:
On December 24 2012 06:54 StarVe wrote:
Stephano smashed MVP/MMA/MKP in a single week. If you had told me this last year, I'd probably have called you delusional.

With hydras mind you.

With hydras.

hydras.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
December 23 2012 21:56 GMT
#340
On December 24 2012 06:56 gwixter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 06:54 StarVe wrote:
Stephano smashed MVP/MMA/MKP in a single week. If you had told me this last year, I'd probably have called you delusional.

games against MVP are probably older than week, but I'm not sure

Just looked it up after the games, played on the 19th.
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