I am always amused when people say it.

"Sloppy play" rotfl what are you talking about ?
You probably have no idea the amount of speed, micro/macro required to play at that level.
That was overall a great game.

When you see those "sloppy-looking" games by Gumiho, for instance, that's because his multi tasking is insane.

Comments like yours are purely based on ignorance and I bet you are not a high master's (or even just regular master) player. I wish b.net profiles were linked to TL accounts so people would think twice about posting their low-level knowledge comments about the game.
"A gold player thinks some of the best players in the world are playing sloppily" hmmm, not quite.

Why do people always use arguments like these? We have the right to criticize them because they are putting themselves up on the spot by being professional players. If a professional singer goes off pitch or a professional dancer trips during a live performance, we as the audience have the right to criticize them even though 99% of us will be 100 times worst at singing/dancing.

Fact of the matter is, Hero's control WAS sloppy; look at how many stalkers he lost in that first aggression. MVP's micro was definitely better than Hero's both games, he just didn't have the best decisions/unit comp.

I don't think you quite got the meaning of what I said.
What you are mentioning is very different from what I complained about.

Obviously if a professional singer goes off pitch you can say they messed up much more easily than judging a very complex game like SC2.

As I said in my comments "most of the times" (which is not always, but a lot of them) the "sloppy play" comments are plain wrong. For instance, in the first game beteween MVP and HerO there was nothing that could have made the game possibly be labeled as "sloppy", yet there was a comment about it right away.

When you go around the LR threads, if you know the game at least a masters level, you will notice that these overly-popular sloppy comments are plain wrong 90% of the times - so my complain was not referred to the fact that people can't criticize pro players plays or decisions but rather that a lot of them lack the tools and the understanding to realize when to do so.

I'm not saying they're correct calling them sloppy, I'm just saying your argument for saying so is wrong as well; just cuz we're not as good as a professional at doing what they do, it doesn't mean we as audience don't have the rights to criticize. Now, the argument that Hero missed a few micros cuz he was multitasking like crazy in game 1, yea that I agree.

Yes I understand what you are saying but it seems like you are still missing the point.
I never said that you, the audience, don't have the rights to criticize... From the previous post:

" so my complain was not referred to the fact that people can't criticize pro players plays or decisions but rather that a lot of them lack the tools and the understanding to realize when to do so "

If you still do not realize my point I am not sure what to tell you.

Fjodorov

5007 Posts

December 17 2012 10:19 GMT

#1985

dunno how leenock had infestor tech and +2 attack before drg had either.

DJHelium

Sweden13480 Posts

December 17 2012 10:19 GMT

#1986

On December 17 2012 19:19 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Leenock, man that was well done, very happy for you. Top 5 world player for sure.

More like top 1*!

*edit* Also: YOYO WOLFIE!

samurai80

Japan4225 Posts

December 17 2012 10:19 GMT

#1987

On December 17 2012 19:18 Shellshock1122 wrote:
lol I was so wrong O-o

Looks like everyone was. Mind blown by Leenocktopus !

vthree

Hong Kong8039 Posts

December 17 2012 10:19 GMT

#1988

On December 17 2012 19:18 Digitalis wrote:
wtf just happened

Leenock had better army. He was on a clock and he just attacked.

Terranist

United States2496 Posts

December 17 2012 10:19 GMT

#1989

DRG looks depressed.

negativedge

4279 Posts

December 17 2012 10:19 GMT

#1990

hiwolf

Flonomenalz

Nigeria3519 Posts

December 17 2012 10:19 GMT

#1991

On December 17 2012 19:18 Caihead wrote:
what actually happened? was 5 infestors that big a difference in army advantage?

they were chilling around for a while since leenock killed all the mutas right away and could just save up on fungal energy.

Chill Penguin

Australia756 Posts

December 17 2012 10:19 GMT

#1992

I've seen a lot of Leenock games, but that was one of the most impressive wins I've seen from him.

Incredible play.

Die4Ever

United States17588 Posts

December 17 2012 10:19 GMT

#1993

On December 17 2012 19:19 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Leenock, man that was well done, very happy for you. Top 5 world player for sure.

more like top 1 player in the world lol

vthree

Hong Kong8039 Posts

December 17 2012 10:20 GMT

#1994

On December 17 2012 19:19 Fjodorov wrote:
dunno how leenock had infestor tech and +2 attack before drg had either.

DRG went nydus, muta

kju

6143 Posts

December 17 2012 10:20 GMT

#1995

wolf wanted to say "talk about hairstyles"

Caihead

Canada8550 Posts

December 17 2012 10:20 GMT

#1996

On December 17 2012 19:19 bittman wrote:

Show nested quote +

Had a roach lead for most of the game too I thought

EDIT: HEY WOLF

The roach lead was really small even after DRG defended his third coming back to his own base with the nydus, so I don't get it. I guess Leenock just banked a shittone of resources where as DRG spent it all on mutas. Else there's no way a 3 base zerg is out macroed by a 2 base zerg.