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MLG Tournament of Champions semis Rain vs Flash - Page 6

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zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
December 14 2012 00:03 GMT
#101
On December 14 2012 09:02 tozi wrote:
i don't think rain couldve beat flash in a macro game, he had to use 3 hardcore early-pressure builds


you're talking about a man that's not afraid to go late game PvZ
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
December 14 2012 00:03 GMT
#102
On December 14 2012 09:01 Shikada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 08:57 EtherealDeath wrote:
inb4 flash fanboys say 4 gate is op


This isn't twitch chat

Rain afraid to play macro against Flash it seems. Smart.

Why let someone with excessively greedy openers get away with it, and play for a no pressure late game? Go kill them or do damage kk. Especially when they have a track record of being terrible at defending such plays.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
December 14 2012 00:03 GMT
#103
Flash is as greedy as Mkp. Rain played this series just right.
Refer to my post.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
December 14 2012 00:04 GMT
#104
I was expecting a few macro games because I thought rain was confident in his macro and lategame control.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
December 14 2012 00:04 GMT
#105
On December 14 2012 09:02 tozi wrote:
i don't think rain couldve beat flash in a macro game, he had to use 3 hardcore early-pressure builds


I wouldn't say that, I think he just knows that FLash likes to go triple CC so often and punished it.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Shikada
Profile Joined May 2012
Serbia976 Posts
December 14 2012 00:06 GMT
#106
On December 14 2012 09:03 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 09:01 Shikada wrote:
On December 14 2012 08:57 EtherealDeath wrote:
inb4 flash fanboys say 4 gate is op


This isn't twitch chat

Rain afraid to play macro against Flash it seems. Smart.

Why let someone with excessively greedy openers get away with it, and play for a no pressure late game? Go kill them or do damage kk. Especially when they have a track record of being terrible at defending such plays.


Yeah, as I said, smart. Rain made the right decisions here. Letting Flash get his insane macro going not so great. Once Flash learns to defend all these all ins while cutting the corners he likes it will get interesting :D
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
December 14 2012 00:06 GMT
#107
On December 14 2012 09:03 Zenbrez wrote:
Flash is as greedy as Mkp. Rain played this series just right.


Flash went standard gasless expand in every game except on ohana. Wouldnt call that greedy.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
December 14 2012 00:07 GMT
#108
I really wanted Flash to pull through, especially since I was hoping for a Parting v. Flash Grand Final.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Shikada
Profile Joined May 2012
Serbia976 Posts
December 14 2012 00:08 GMT
#109
On December 14 2012 09:07 Sumahi wrote:
I really wanted Flash to pull through, especially since I was hoping for a Parting v. Flash Grand Final.


I can tell you right now how Paring vs Flash would have gone down. Not pretty for Flash
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
December 14 2012 00:08 GMT
#110
why do you do a macro game vs an opponent thats falters to certain early game pressure? Its your goal to win, not to play dandy. So well done by.Rain. He exploited Flash weakness.
Broodwar for life!
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
December 14 2012 00:08 GMT
#111
On December 14 2012 09:06 Shikada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 09:03 EtherealDeath wrote:
On December 14 2012 09:01 Shikada wrote:
On December 14 2012 08:57 EtherealDeath wrote:
inb4 flash fanboys say 4 gate is op


This isn't twitch chat

Rain afraid to play macro against Flash it seems. Smart.

Why let someone with excessively greedy openers get away with it, and play for a no pressure late game? Go kill them or do damage kk. Especially when they have a track record of being terrible at defending such plays.


Yeah, as I said, smart. Rain made the right decisions here. Letting Flash get his insane macro going not so great. Once Flash learns to defend all these all ins while cutting the corners he likes it will get interesting :D


Yes. That's when he breaks the game.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
December 14 2012 00:08 GMT
#112
On December 14 2012 09:08 Shikada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 09:07 Sumahi wrote:
I really wanted Flash to pull through, especially since I was hoping for a Parting v. Flash Grand Final.


I can tell you right now how Paring vs Flash would have gone down. Not pretty for Flash


I was expecting it to be over in a flash.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
December 14 2012 00:10 GMT
#113
It is annoying to play against people that play so greedy as Flash. Either you play as greedy as them blindly or you kill them early on, otherwise they will have such a huge midgame advantage that you play from behind the whole time.
So yeah a good thing to punish eco cheesers early on, either way the games end up boring unless both go tripple nexus/cc.
Shikada
Profile Joined May 2012
Serbia976 Posts
December 14 2012 00:12 GMT
#114
On December 14 2012 09:10 FeyFey wrote:
It is annoying to play against people that play so greedy as Flash. Either you play as greedy as them blindly or you kill them early on, otherwise they will have such a huge midgame advantage that you play from behind the whole time.
So yeah a good thing to punish eco cheesers early on, either way the games end up boring unless both go tripple nexus/cc.


To be fair, as was already said, Flash didn't play that greedy every game. Last game was completely standard, for example. Certainly not eco cheese as you say.
tozi
Profile Joined October 2008
United States506 Posts
December 14 2012 00:12 GMT
#115
right, Rain punished a greedy opening by flash. But still, personally, I think flash is a better macro player than Rain (though both are good). Its hard for Terrans to scout that kind of early-pressure build. I mean, toss has complete map control in the early game.

Did Flash go triple command last game? I thought he just went 2 commands.
nothing
NguN
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1322 Posts
December 14 2012 00:31 GMT
#116
To all those that think Rain can't beat Flash in a macro game:

SKT and KT had a pre-test match a week before Proleague started. Rain faced Flash on Cloud Kingdom, in a very standard 3 base game.

Rain CRUSHED Flash's army easily.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 00:41:16
December 14 2012 00:41 GMT
#117
woops
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
December 14 2012 01:09 GMT
#118
Can someone please PM me if there are VoDs for this anywhere? I wish the threads for these were made like a day in advance instead of a few hours beforehand.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Lysergic
Profile Joined December 2010
United States355 Posts
December 14 2012 01:29 GMT
#119

Rain vs Flash - game 1 VOD
http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/2034247476001
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
December 14 2012 07:03 GMT
#120
So if Parting beats Soo, he's going to have to face his nemesis!
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