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On December 10 2012 10:32 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:30 monkybone wrote:On December 10 2012 10:29 Dodgin wrote:On December 10 2012 10:28 monkybone wrote:On December 10 2012 10:25 Dodgin wrote:On December 10 2012 10:22 Maloreon wrote:On December 10 2012 10:20 Dodgin wrote:On December 10 2012 10:19 Hider wrote:
polt is the best terran player right now I think (along with ryung, flash and innovation). I wouldn't put Ryung up there honestly, I think his Code S run was kind of a fluke as mean as it sounds, he got bounced out of IPL5 by HuK of all people. I'm not trying to sound like a mindless Flash fanboy but his gameplay impresses me most of any Terran right now other than Gumiho. I really think if Gumiho and Flash played more that people would have them at top of their lists for top Terrans. They are both so unique and so good it is incredible. In my opinion It's something like this #1 Polt, #2 Bomber, #3 Gumiho, #4 Flash, # Bogus Not including Mvp because there haven't been enough games to judge his skill level since the GSL finals. not quite... #1 Polt, #2 Mvp, #3 Gumiho, #4 Flash, #5 Bogus Taeja should be in there, but not currently really no bomber? I was hard pressed to decide between him and Polt for 1st place, his games at IPL5 were so good. he also took 2nd in lonestar losing by only one game earlier in the month. Bomber seems too reliant on unique builds, and also, Polt won games vs him where he shouldn't due to pure superior decision making. This is where bomber is lacking, and what characterizes all other top Terrans. I'm not so sure, I think Bomber relies on pure macro and clean execution more, like Bogus does when he's playing well. Polt or MVP are the guys who win games through their brains or their sheer balls.
True, but Polt (and to an extent TaeJa) have some pretty sloppy macro, while Mvp generally has strong mechanics. At least Polt make up for it with excellent decision making (sometimes rivaling Mvp in terms of intelligence), and the best Bio micro.
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On December 10 2012 10:33 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:32 monkybone wrote:On December 10 2012 10:31 Talin wrote:On December 10 2012 10:29 Dodgin wrote:On December 10 2012 10:28 monkybone wrote:On December 10 2012 10:25 Dodgin wrote:On December 10 2012 10:22 Maloreon wrote:On December 10 2012 10:20 Dodgin wrote:On December 10 2012 10:19 Hider wrote:
polt is the best terran player right now I think (along with ryung, flash and innovation). I wouldn't put Ryung up there honestly, I think his Code S run was kind of a fluke as mean as it sounds, he got bounced out of IPL5 by HuK of all people. I'm not trying to sound like a mindless Flash fanboy but his gameplay impresses me most of any Terran right now other than Gumiho. I really think if Gumiho and Flash played more that people would have them at top of their lists for top Terrans. They are both so unique and so good it is incredible. In my opinion It's something like this #1 Polt, #2 Bomber, #3 Gumiho, #4 Flash, # Bogus Not including Mvp because there haven't been enough games to judge his skill level since the GSL finals. not quite... #1 Polt, #2 Mvp, #3 Gumiho, #4 Flash, #5 Bogus Taeja should be in there, but not currently really no bomber? I was hard pressed to decide between him and Polt for 1st place, his games at IPL5 were so good. he also took 2nd in lonestar losing by only one game earlier in the month. Bomber deserves do be top 5 for his macro alone. macro is quickly turning into a triviality for the best Terrans. It is no longer a defining trait of the top Terrans. They all have superb macro, and what differentiates them is not macro. Unless, of course, your name is Lee Young Ho.
I was about to post something like this... seriously fanboyism aside he maxes and remaxes faster than everyone and he does so while doing other stuff and maintaining a perfect sim-city that makes him very hard to attack. I just think his macro is a notch above everyone. Can't wait to see it improve more and involve really broken timings (probably in early HotS).
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On December 10 2012 10:33 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:32 monkybone wrote:On December 10 2012 10:31 Talin wrote:On December 10 2012 10:29 Dodgin wrote:On December 10 2012 10:28 monkybone wrote:On December 10 2012 10:25 Dodgin wrote:On December 10 2012 10:22 Maloreon wrote:On December 10 2012 10:20 Dodgin wrote:On December 10 2012 10:19 Hider wrote:
polt is the best terran player right now I think (along with ryung, flash and innovation). I wouldn't put Ryung up there honestly, I think his Code S run was kind of a fluke as mean as it sounds, he got bounced out of IPL5 by HuK of all people. I'm not trying to sound like a mindless Flash fanboy but his gameplay impresses me most of any Terran right now other than Gumiho. I really think if Gumiho and Flash played more that people would have them at top of their lists for top Terrans. They are both so unique and so good it is incredible. In my opinion It's something like this #1 Polt, #2 Bomber, #3 Gumiho, #4 Flash, # Bogus Not including Mvp because there haven't been enough games to judge his skill level since the GSL finals. not quite... #1 Polt, #2 Mvp, #3 Gumiho, #4 Flash, #5 Bogus Taeja should be in there, but not currently really no bomber? I was hard pressed to decide between him and Polt for 1st place, his games at IPL5 were so good. he also took 2nd in lonestar losing by only one game earlier in the month. Bomber deserves do be top 5 for his macro alone. macro is quickly turning into a triviality for the best Terrans. It is no longer a defining trait of the top Terrans. They all have superb macro, and what differentiates them is not macro. Unless, of course, your name is Lee Young Ho.
I watched his first game of the 12-13 proleague vs EGTL. His mineral was consistently below 300 all game long. Sick :X
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Bomber top 5 Terran because of 2 good foreign tournament results after a year and a half of disappointments? Really?
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So we can thank Stephano for ZvP? What a dubious honor.
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United States23455 Posts
Stephano? Ehhhhhhh.
Life, Parting, Mvp and Rain so nope.
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These NASL recognizes are my favourite thing about the tournament so far. Really nice to see, can't imagine MLG ever doing something like this (seems like they never mention other tourneys). So cool!
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On December 10 2012 10:33 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:32 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 10 2012 10:30 monkybone wrote:On December 10 2012 10:29 Dodgin wrote:On December 10 2012 10:28 monkybone wrote:On December 10 2012 10:25 Dodgin wrote:On December 10 2012 10:22 Maloreon wrote:On December 10 2012 10:20 Dodgin wrote:On December 10 2012 10:19 Hider wrote:
polt is the best terran player right now I think (along with ryung, flash and innovation). I wouldn't put Ryung up there honestly, I think his Code S run was kind of a fluke as mean as it sounds, he got bounced out of IPL5 by HuK of all people. I'm not trying to sound like a mindless Flash fanboy but his gameplay impresses me most of any Terran right now other than Gumiho. I really think if Gumiho and Flash played more that people would have them at top of their lists for top Terrans. They are both so unique and so good it is incredible. In my opinion It's something like this #1 Polt, #2 Bomber, #3 Gumiho, #4 Flash, # Bogus Not including Mvp because there haven't been enough games to judge his skill level since the GSL finals. not quite... #1 Polt, #2 Mvp, #3 Gumiho, #4 Flash, #5 Bogus Taeja should be in there, but not currently really no bomber? I was hard pressed to decide between him and Polt for 1st place, his games at IPL5 were so good. he also took 2nd in lonestar losing by only one game earlier in the month. Bomber seems too reliant on unique builds, and also, Polt won games vs him where he shouldn't due to pure superior decision making. This is where bomber is lacking, and what characterizes all other top Terrans. I'm not so sure, I think Bomber relies on pure macro and clean execution more, like Bogus does when he's playing well. Polt or MVP are the guys who win games through their brains or their sheer balls. Bogus doesn't fall apart under pressure like Bomber seems to do. Bomber is excellent when everything goes according to plan, but when he is surprised, not so much.
I only said that because it was the only analysis that was vaguely validated in my Fantasy Proleague picks thus far 
Bomber doesn't even seem to fit that pattern. His throws of games occur from almost every position, from being massively surprised, tilting while in a seemingly unloseable position and every variation thereof.
Gotta love Bomber man, skydiving macro machine that he is. Flaws make him all the more loveable.
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Someone gave Violet the wrong flag.
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On December 10 2012 10:34 Maloreon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:33 Kommander wrote:On December 10 2012 10:32 monkybone wrote:On December 10 2012 10:31 Talin wrote:On December 10 2012 10:29 Dodgin wrote:On December 10 2012 10:28 monkybone wrote:On December 10 2012 10:25 Dodgin wrote:On December 10 2012 10:22 Maloreon wrote:On December 10 2012 10:20 Dodgin wrote:On December 10 2012 10:19 Hider wrote:
polt is the best terran player right now I think (along with ryung, flash and innovation). I wouldn't put Ryung up there honestly, I think his Code S run was kind of a fluke as mean as it sounds, he got bounced out of IPL5 by HuK of all people. I'm not trying to sound like a mindless Flash fanboy but his gameplay impresses me most of any Terran right now other than Gumiho. I really think if Gumiho and Flash played more that people would have them at top of their lists for top Terrans. They are both so unique and so good it is incredible. In my opinion It's something like this #1 Polt, #2 Bomber, #3 Gumiho, #4 Flash, # Bogus Not including Mvp because there haven't been enough games to judge his skill level since the GSL finals. not quite... #1 Polt, #2 Mvp, #3 Gumiho, #4 Flash, #5 Bogus Taeja should be in there, but not currently really no bomber? I was hard pressed to decide between him and Polt for 1st place, his games at IPL5 were so good. he also took 2nd in lonestar losing by only one game earlier in the month. Bomber deserves do be top 5 for his macro alone. macro is quickly turning into a triviality for the best Terrans. It is no longer a defining trait of the top Terrans. They all have superb macro, and what differentiates them is not macro. Unless, of course, your name is Lee Young Ho. I was about to post something like this... seriously fanboyism aside he maxes and remaxes faster than everyone and he does so while doing other stuff and maintaining a perfect sim-city that makes him very hard to attack. I just think his macro is a notch above everyone. Can't wait to see it improve more and involve really broken timings (probably in early HotS).
eh I'd have to disagree, in terms of pure making of units I've always been the most impressed with Bomber. Every time he plays I end up thinking to myself " maxed at 14/15 mins, yep, bomber "
Flash is better than him in some other ways, like decision making and building placement, but I don't know about notch above everyone.
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The battle of (possibly) the two most likable pros in the scene right now. So difficult to know who to cheer for....
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No USA USA USA chants for Violet?
I'm actually... a little disappointed.
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On December 10 2012 10:35 Fionn wrote:
Stephano? Ehhhhhhh.
Life, Parting, Mvp and Rain so nope.
Where was Life/Rain or to an extent Parting before September?? It's the player of the YEAR, not the player of our short term memory 
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On December 10 2012 10:35 Fionn wrote:
Stephano? Ehhhhhhh.
Life, Parting, Mvp and Rain so nope.
he gets the foreigner bonus points I guess
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Why the South Korean flag if they are both from there?
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On December 10 2012 10:35 Fionn wrote:
Stephano? Ehhhhhhh.
Life, Parting, Mvp and Rain so nope.
life, parting and rain only had an impact on the past few months. stephano has been dominating all year. only guy i'd give it to over stephano would be MVP
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Gogo HerO but damn you violet for being so fucking likeable
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On December 10 2012 10:37 Maloreon wrote:
The battle of (possibly) the two most likable pros in the scene right now. So difficult to know who to cheer for....
polt is more likeable than Hero
but violet is Most Likeable
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EPT
