• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:28
CEST 20:28
KST 03:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!33Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week6Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7
StarCraft 2
General
SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) WORTEX 2026 - Hungarian SC2 Finals Budapest
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion [Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro24 Group F BSL LAN Party - Kraków 29-30 August - OPEN SIGNUPS Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Game Theory for Starcraft Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Regacy Esports: The Bh…
regacyesports
Violent Games and Crime Rate…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7850 users

Iron Squid II Group F - Page 7

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 25 Next All
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
December 09 2012 20:39 GMT
#121
On December 10 2012 05:37 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 05:36 Sub40APM wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:32 pmp10 wrote:
Terrans need a generation shift.
Old kings aren't cutting it anymore.

what are you talking about? MVP won a historic GSL and almost won another one but for one boneheaded move. The real lesson here is that MMA showed up, shone brightly for a year, got too cocky, betrayed boxer and is now as irrelevant as a North American terran.

MMA's time at the top is loooooong over in a way it's tragic watching MMA come into the year as the king of the world and seeing him slowly but surely falling down.

I would give some time before calling him to retire, now that he's in good hands, he can have a stable training
Feast | Grubby | Mvp | Polt | Fantasy | Last | MMA | forGG | Leenock | Soberphano | Scarlett cutiepie
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27299 Posts
December 09 2012 20:40 GMT
#122
Can we stop with this 'betrayed Boxer' nonsense please?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
December 09 2012 20:40 GMT
#123
On December 10 2012 05:39 c0sm0naut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 05:37 Fusilero wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:36 Sub40APM wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:32 pmp10 wrote:
Terrans need a generation shift.
Old kings aren't cutting it anymore.

what are you talking about? MVP won a historic GSL and almost won another one but for one boneheaded move. The real lesson here is that MMA showed up, shone brightly for a year, got too cocky, betrayed boxer and is now as irrelevant as a North American terran.

MMA's time at the top is loooooong over in a way it's tragic watching MMA come into the year as the king of the world and seeing him slowly but surely falling down.



he used to be exciting to watch
remember his proxy tank rush vs MVP On daybreak? that was one of the best series opener i have ever seen. made that TvT series beyond sick even tho it wasn't very even

you were impressed by a proxy tank cheese? o.O

there are so many better games by MMA to be fanboying over.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4420 Posts
December 09 2012 20:40 GMT
#124
On December 10 2012 05:40 Wombat_NI wrote:
Can we stop with this 'betrayed Boxer' nonsense please?


It's not nonsense though.
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3399 Posts
December 09 2012 20:41 GMT
#125
On December 10 2012 05:36 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 05:32 pmp10 wrote:
Terrans need a generation shift.
Old kings aren't cutting it anymore.

what are you talking about? MVP won a historic GSL and almost won another one but for one boneheaded move. The real lesson here is that MMA showed up, shone brightly for a year, got too cocky, betrayed boxer and is now as irrelevant as a North American terran.

Who betrayed whom has nothing to do with game results.
The reality is that a lot of previously good terrans have dropped down to near-irrelevance and there have been few replacements so far.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 09 2012 20:41 GMT
#126
On December 10 2012 05:39 DOUDOU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 05:37 Fusilero wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:36 Sub40APM wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:32 pmp10 wrote:
Terrans need a generation shift.
Old kings aren't cutting it anymore.

what are you talking about? MVP won a historic GSL and almost won another one but for one boneheaded move. The real lesson here is that MMA showed up, shone brightly for a year, got too cocky, betrayed boxer and is now as irrelevant as a North American terran.

MMA's time at the top is loooooong over in a way it's tragic watching MMA come into the year as the king of the world and seeing him slowly but surely falling down.

I would give some time before calling him to retire, now that he's in good hands, he can have a stable training

Not saying he should retire but it's been a long way since he had the MVP aura at the very start.
Glorious SEA doto
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
December 09 2012 20:41 GMT
#127
On December 10 2012 05:40 Wombat_NI wrote:
Can we stop with this 'betrayed Boxer' nonsense please?

But if we don't have that what drama will we have to latch onto?
Liquipedia
Dekkers
Profile Joined February 2012
France315 Posts
December 09 2012 20:43 GMT
#128
Bomber is comming back, and Polt looks fine too.
MVP just has to recover from his operation, and the Terrans will be good.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
December 09 2012 20:43 GMT
#129
On December 10 2012 05:41 pmp10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 05:36 Sub40APM wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:32 pmp10 wrote:
Terrans need a generation shift.
Old kings aren't cutting it anymore.

what are you talking about? MVP won a historic GSL and almost won another one but for one boneheaded move. The real lesson here is that MMA showed up, shone brightly for a year, got too cocky, betrayed boxer and is now as irrelevant as a North American terran.

Who betrayed whom has nothing to do with game results.
The reality is that a lot of previously good terrans have dropped down to near-irrelevance and there have been few replacements so far.

I cant think of another terran who had such a huge drop off. What he needed was to listen to a coach like Boxer, who dealt with success and was able to maintain his results for a relatively long period of time.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
December 09 2012 20:43 GMT
#130
On December 10 2012 05:37 packrat386 wrote:
0:00

Game 2, Match 1 (Goswer 1 - MMA - 0)

Map is Cloud Kingdom

Goswer (who I will call gosu) is in the bot left
MMA is in the top right


1:00
nothing terribly interesting yet, no proxies or early pools

2:00
hatch first for gosu
cc first for mma, on the high ground
pool at normal time for gosu, and rax and gas for mma

3:00
drone gets in mmas base and sees the gas/cc/rax
gosu getting the first gas, maybe thinks mma will throw another game if he allins again :/

4:00
mma drops his fact of one gas
now gets the second gas, and still hasn't killed the drone
gosu drops the roach warren, earlier than last game (22 drone)

5:00
reactor on the fact for mma
now a starport for mma

6:00 gosu got supply blocked form losing OLs
now 6 roaches,hellions and banshee inc for mma, but no cloak so far
roaches go around the hellions

7:00
hellions reach the nat and begin to attack drones
roaches in the main of mma only 1 bunker with repair
hellions die for mma, banshee trying to kill the roaches before losing scvs

8:00
total here is 7 scvs to 4 drones killed
helliosn moving toward the nat of gosu
ebays for mma inc
muta follup for gosu


dreaming of a sunny day
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
December 09 2012 20:43 GMT
#131
On December 10 2012 05:43 Dekkers wrote:
Bomber is comming back, and Polt looks fine too.
MVP just has to recover from his operation, and the Terrans will be good.

Gumiho, man.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 20:45:11
December 09 2012 20:44 GMT
#132
lol gosuuser is so chesy

LR confusion
11:00 MMA has like 15 creep tumors in his 3rd base
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
December 09 2012 20:44 GMT
#133
On December 10 2012 04:15 mr_tolkien wrote:
I'm very curious to see Dragon on HotS !!! This should be epic ^_^


He's streaming Hots almost all of the time, so it should be possible for you to still that desire. ^^
maru G5L pls
Dekkers
Profile Joined February 2012
France315 Posts
December 09 2012 20:44 GMT
#134
On December 10 2012 05:43 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 05:43 Dekkers wrote:
Bomber is comming back, and Polt looks fine too.
MVP just has to recover from his operation, and the Terrans will be good.

Gumiho, man.


Yeah, alos forgot all the Kespa players.
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
December 09 2012 20:44 GMT
#135
On December 10 2012 05:36 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 05:32 pmp10 wrote:
Terrans need a generation shift.
Old kings aren't cutting it anymore.

what are you talking about? MVP won a historic GSL and almost won another one but for one boneheaded move. The real lesson here is that MMA showed up, shone brightly for a year, got too cocky, betrayed boxer and is now as irrelevant as a North American terran.

You are so clueless.
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
December 09 2012 20:45 GMT
#136
On December 10 2012 05:43 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 05:43 Dekkers wrote:
Bomber is comming back, and Polt looks fine too.
MVP just has to recover from his operation, and the Terrans will be good.

Gumiho, man.

forGG
Feast | Grubby | Mvp | Polt | Fantasy | Last | MMA | forGG | Leenock | Soberphano | Scarlett cutiepie
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
December 09 2012 20:47 GMT
#137
goswer did that to polt earlier in the hyperx thing
blocking the third with creep
...
c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 20:48:03
December 09 2012 20:47 GMT
#138
goswser.. i like to watch him play i just think he makes bad decisions

ediT: like that attack.. MMA has more medivacs than he has mutas ,why even trY?
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 20:47:54
December 09 2012 20:47 GMT
#139
On December 10 2012 05:45 DOUDOU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 05:43 andaylin wrote:
On December 10 2012 05:43 Dekkers wrote:
Bomber is comming back, and Polt looks fine too.
MVP just has to recover from his operation, and the Terrans will be good.

Gumiho, man.

forGG

I'm a Forgg fan, but, sadly I don't think so.

He's still a boss though.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
December 09 2012 20:48 GMT
#140
On December 10 2012 05:43 packrat386 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 05:37 packrat386 wrote:
0:00

Game 2, Match 1 (Goswer 1 - MMA - 0)

Map is Cloud Kingdom

Goswer (who I will call gosu) is in the bot left
MMA is in the top right


1:00
nothing terribly interesting yet, no proxies or early pools

2:00
hatch first for gosu
cc first for mma, on the high ground
pool at normal time for gosu, and rax and gas for mma

3:00
drone gets in mmas base and sees the gas/cc/rax
gosu getting the first gas, maybe thinks mma will throw another game if he allins again :/

4:00
mma drops his fact of one gas
now gets the second gas, and still hasn't killed the drone
gosu drops the roach warren, earlier than last game (22 drone)

5:00
reactor on the fact for mma
now a starport for mma

6:00 gosu got supply blocked form losing OLs
now 6 roaches,hellions and banshee inc for mma, but no cloak so far
roaches go around the hellions

7:00
hellions reach the nat and begin to attack drones
roaches in the main of mma only 1 bunker with repair
hellions die for mma, banshee trying to kill the roaches before losing scvs

8:00
total here is 7 scvs to 4 drones killed
helliosn moving toward the nat of gosu
ebays for mma inc
muta follup for gosu



sorry i waited so long to post that last one, slipped my mind

9:00
gosu blocking the third with creep tumors
taking his own third now but harassed by banshees

10:00
mutas just popping now, they take out the banshee
bane speed inc for gosu
mma dropping turrets ereywhere

11:00 ol hunting viking looks like its going to go down but takes a mut with him

12:00
as mma moves out to take out the creep at his main he gets ataccked by lings on the creep
mma loses some rines but survives with his tanks

13:00
gosu taking his 4th as well as getting a macro hatch, 2-2 inc for mma
mma takes the other third (mid right) but it gest scouted by mutas
and by scouted I mean gosu loses almost all of his mutas trying to kill scvs

14:00
engagement at the high ground near that third leads to gosu trying to kills tansk with banes
loses almost all of his army for 3 tansk of mma

15:00
another engage but he rine splits are good and mma manages totake out a lot
dreaming of a sunny day
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 25 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
16:05
FSL s11 code S FINALs
Freeedom32
Liquipedia
BSL 2025: Kraków LAN Pa…
15:30
LAN Day 2
ZZZero.O263
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
BRAT_OK 110
MindelVK 17
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 30118
Calm 5213
Shuttle 2506
Mini 346
ZZZero.O 263
Dewaltoss 109
Rush 75
Last 52
Hyun 51
HiyA 49
[ Show more ]
Mong 49
Killer 40
hero 26
Shine 23
Hm[arnc] 13
Dota 2
qojqva4194
420jenkins489
Counter-Strike
fl0m4798
minikerr77
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King124
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu529
Khaldor233
Other Games
gofns18960
Grubby3302
Liquid`RaSZi2153
FrodaN870
Beastyqt756
Mlord293
Hui .147
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2242
EGCTV862
BasetradeTV44
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 11
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV708
League of Legends
• Nemesis2658
Other Games
• imaqtpie1279
• Shiphtur303
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
15h 32m
Afreeca Starleague
15h 32m
Monday Night Weeklies
21h 32m
GSL
1d 16h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
OSC
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-27
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
BSL 2026 LAN: Kraków
RSL Revival: Season 6
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.