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On December 09 2012 16:26 iamahydralisk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:21 Awesomeness wrote:On December 09 2012 16:20 iamahydralisk wrote:On December 09 2012 16:18 udgnim wrote:foreign ZvZ bonjwa exposed  guess that just means Hyun's ZvZ isn't great nah. sortof was on an entirely different level in that bo5 against hyun. same in g1 against violet, too. something tilted sortof really badly though. not really, violet just figured him out. didn't seem that way to me. sortof's control and decision making were very noticeably worse against violet than they were against hyun. those aren't really things violet could've figured out. I feel like sorrtof would've 4-0'd or 4-1'd if he consistently played as well as he did against violet, but it seemed like violet was better than hyun and that messed with sortof's head.
Yeah yeah he could've would've definitely should've 4-0'd 4-1'd violet and be the next new zerg bonjwa.
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On December 09 2012 16:24 Pyre wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:23 kaokentake wrote:
what? infested terrans never got nerfed, just the eggs right. fungal isnt changed at all vs IT
but heh i shouldnt questions violets knowledge I think the percentage of damage you do to the eggs is transfered to the hatched infested terran. It's not like brood lords where they always spawn with full health.
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soe is damn cute, but i hated how NASL did Soe's corner a while ago where she basically talks about a "unit" like the marauder or the zergling and explained about its stats rofl. was lame as hell would have much rather soe just took her favorite game and commentated slightly on it or something
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On December 09 2012 16:28 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:26 iamahydralisk wrote:On December 09 2012 16:21 Awesomeness wrote:On December 09 2012 16:20 iamahydralisk wrote:On December 09 2012 16:18 udgnim wrote:foreign ZvZ bonjwa exposed guess that just means Hyun's ZvZ isn't great nah. sortof was on an entirely different level in that bo5 against hyun. same in g1 against violet, too. something tilted sortof really badly though. not really, violet just figured him out. didn't seem that way to me. sortof's control and decision making were very noticeably worse against violet than they were against hyun. those aren't really things violet could've figured out. I feel like sorrtof would've 4-0'd or 4-1'd if he consistently played as well as he did against violet, but it seemed like violet was better than hyun and that messed with sortof's head. Yeah yeah he could've would've definitely should've 4-0'd 4-1'd everyone.
he outclassed hyun in every game they played and did the same thing to violet in g1. his play in g2 on was very noticeably worse in ways that violet couldn't have effected (much worse control and forgetting basic things like upgrades). we can only speculate as to what messed with his play, but something definitely did. that's obvious after seeing his games vs hyun vs g2 on vs violet.
just to clarify, I'm not saying sortof is the best zerg player in the world or that he's untouchable or anything. just that his play in his series vs violet was noticeably much much worse than his play against hyun, and it was worse in ways that fall primarily on sortof. violet is a great player for sure, but when a player starts controlling badly for no reason and forgetting simple stuff, it's pretty obvious they're tilting.
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On December 09 2012 16:29 Exoteric wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:24 Pyre wrote:On December 09 2012 16:23 kaokentake wrote:
what? infested terrans never got nerfed, just the eggs right. fungal isnt changed at all vs IT
but heh i shouldnt questions violets knowledge I think the percentage of damage you do to the eggs is transfered to the hatched infested terran. It's not like brood lords where they always spawn with full health. wrong
it's not wrong ;o go load up the game and try it
if you do 50% of the IT's egg hp the IT spawns with 50% hp
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man that was a solid night of sc2 entertainment. hats off
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The actually production was pretty amazing. that was a solid 11 hours or so of continuous show.
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On December 09 2012 16:27 kaokentake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:24 Pyre wrote:On December 09 2012 16:23 kaokentake wrote:
what? infested terrans never got nerfed, just the eggs right. fungal isnt changed at all vs IT
but heh i shouldnt questions violets knowledge I think the percentage of damage you do to the eggs is transfered to the hatched infested terran. It's not like brood lords where they always spawn with full health. pretty sure thats not true... hmm
It's true. With the change to the egg health, if you fungal the eggs, they take 30 damage, so the Infested Terrrans hatch with around 29 health. Before with the 100-health eggs the ITs would hatch with 35 health. Not a big difference in health, but since the ITs now come out with less than 30 health if the eggs take the full brunt of a fungal, a second fungal kills them.
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On December 09 2012 16:30 iamahydralisk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:28 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 09 2012 16:26 iamahydralisk wrote:On December 09 2012 16:21 Awesomeness wrote:On December 09 2012 16:20 iamahydralisk wrote:On December 09 2012 16:18 udgnim wrote:foreign ZvZ bonjwa exposed guess that just means Hyun's ZvZ isn't great nah. sortof was on an entirely different level in that bo5 against hyun. same in g1 against violet, too. something tilted sortof really badly though. not really, violet just figured him out. didn't seem that way to me. sortof's control and decision making were very noticeably worse against violet than they were against hyun. those aren't really things violet could've figured out. I feel like sorrtof would've 4-0'd or 4-1'd if he consistently played as well as he did against violet, but it seemed like violet was better than hyun and that messed with sortof's head. Yeah yeah he could've would've definitely should've 4-0'd 4-1'd everyone. he outclassed hyun in every game they played and did the same thing to violet in g1. his play in g2 on was very noticeably worse in ways that violet couldn't have effected (much worse control and forgetting basic things like upgrades). we can only speculate as to what messed with his play, but something definitely did. that's obvious after seeing his games vs hyun vs g2 on vs violet.
How about we learn to use the word "outclassed" correctly and not overhype any more foreigner player just because he's foreigner? Violet made better decision in G2-G5 and outplayed Sortof. There was nothing mysterious affecting Sortof's play. He was sticking with one build and one style, and Violet reacted and exploited it.
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On December 09 2012 16:36 mongoose22 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:27 kaokentake wrote:On December 09 2012 16:24 Pyre wrote:On December 09 2012 16:23 kaokentake wrote:
what? infested terrans never got nerfed, just the eggs right. fungal isnt changed at all vs IT
but heh i shouldnt questions violets knowledge I think the percentage of damage you do to the eggs is transfered to the hatched infested terran. It's not like brood lords where they always spawn with full health. pretty sure thats not true... hmm It's true. With the change to the egg health, if you fungal the eggs, they take 30 damage, so the Infested Terrrans hatch with around 29 health. Before with the 100-health eggs the ITs would hatch with 35 health. Not a big difference in health, but since the ITs now come out with less than 30 health if the eggs take the full brunt of a fungal, a second fungal kills them.
i always thought the eggs were like buildings and immune to fungal... i always remember seeing STORMS on eggs do zero damage to the eggs
are the eggs immune to storm?
i swear this must be a recent change i remember seeing tons of PvZ's where storms on eggs would do nothing
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On December 09 2012 16:31 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:29 Exoteric wrote:On December 09 2012 16:24 Pyre wrote:On December 09 2012 16:23 kaokentake wrote:
what? infested terrans never got nerfed, just the eggs right. fungal isnt changed at all vs IT
but heh i shouldnt questions violets knowledge I think the percentage of damage you do to the eggs is transfered to the hatched infested terran. It's not like brood lords where they always spawn with full health. wrong it's not wrong ;o go load up the game and try it if you do 50% of the IT's egg hp the IT spawns with 50% hp
welp, i stand corrected. my bad
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On December 09 2012 16:39 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:30 iamahydralisk wrote:On December 09 2012 16:28 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 09 2012 16:26 iamahydralisk wrote:On December 09 2012 16:21 Awesomeness wrote:On December 09 2012 16:20 iamahydralisk wrote:On December 09 2012 16:18 udgnim wrote:foreign ZvZ bonjwa exposed guess that just means Hyun's ZvZ isn't great nah. sortof was on an entirely different level in that bo5 against hyun. same in g1 against violet, too. something tilted sortof really badly though. not really, violet just figured him out. didn't seem that way to me. sortof's control and decision making were very noticeably worse against violet than they were against hyun. those aren't really things violet could've figured out. I feel like sorrtof would've 4-0'd or 4-1'd if he consistently played as well as he did against violet, but it seemed like violet was better than hyun and that messed with sortof's head. Yeah yeah he could've would've definitely should've 4-0'd 4-1'd everyone. he outclassed hyun in every game they played and did the same thing to violet in g1. his play in g2 on was very noticeably worse in ways that violet couldn't have effected (much worse control and forgetting basic things like upgrades). we can only speculate as to what messed with his play, but something definitely did. that's obvious after seeing his games vs hyun vs g2 on vs violet. How about we learn to use the word "outclassed" correctly and not overhype any more foreigner player just because he's foreigner? Violet made better decision in G2-G5 and outplayed Sortof. There was nothing mysterious affecting Sortof's play. He was sticking with one build and one style, and Violet reacted and exploited it.
I'm not going to bother because you're not understanding. there is nothing player A can do skillwise that can somehow "counter" player B's ability to micro in basic battles (excluding anti-micro abilities obv.), make good decisions or remember basic gameplay elements like upgrading your army. those are all classic signs of tilting, which sortof did. I don't understand why it's so hard for you to accept that fact that sortof looked clearly better than hyun but his nerves got to him against violet. it's entirely understandable given the fact that sortof isn't experienced on the big stage.
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This thread is pretty dead, relatively speaking... Hope that isn't reflected in viewership.
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Hyun just played really really badly too. When someone plays really badly, it makes their opponent look better. Hyun's game was really off.
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edit: hit wrong post button lol
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On December 09 2012 16:46 sitromit wrote:
Hyun just played really really badly too. When someone plays really badly, it makes their opponent look better. Hyun's game was really off.
I agree with that. all I'm saying is that most of the deterioration in sortof's play was mental aspects, and violet can't really "solve" those by playing differently or more skillfully. if anything, violet playing better than hyun got sortof's nerves all in a bind and that's exactly what I'm saying.
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On December 09 2012 16:44 iamahydralisk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:39 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 09 2012 16:30 iamahydralisk wrote:On December 09 2012 16:28 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 09 2012 16:26 iamahydralisk wrote:On December 09 2012 16:21 Awesomeness wrote:On December 09 2012 16:20 iamahydralisk wrote:On December 09 2012 16:18 udgnim wrote:foreign ZvZ bonjwa exposed guess that just means Hyun's ZvZ isn't great nah. sortof was on an entirely different level in that bo5 against hyun. same in g1 against violet, too. something tilted sortof really badly though. not really, violet just figured him out. didn't seem that way to me. sortof's control and decision making were very noticeably worse against violet than they were against hyun. those aren't really things violet could've figured out. I feel like sorrtof would've 4-0'd or 4-1'd if he consistently played as well as he did against violet, but it seemed like violet was better than hyun and that messed with sortof's head. Yeah yeah he could've would've definitely should've 4-0'd 4-1'd everyone. he outclassed hyun in every game they played and did the same thing to violet in g1. his play in g2 on was very noticeably worse in ways that violet couldn't have effected (much worse control and forgetting basic things like upgrades). we can only speculate as to what messed with his play, but something definitely did. that's obvious after seeing his games vs hyun vs g2 on vs violet. How about we learn to use the word "outclassed" correctly and not overhype any more foreigner player just because he's foreigner? Violet made better decision in G2-G5 and outplayed Sortof. There was nothing mysterious affecting Sortof's play. He was sticking with one build and one style, and Violet reacted and exploited it. I'm not going to bother because you're not understanding. there is nothing player A can do skillwise that can somehow "counter" player B's ability to micro in basic battles (excluding anti-micro abilities obv.), make good decisions or remember basic gameplay elements like upgrading your army. those are all classic signs of the tilting, which sortof did. I don't understand why it's so hard for you to accept that fact that sortof looked clearly better than hyun but his nerves got to him against violet. it's entirely understandable given the fact that sortof isn't experienced on the big stage.
There is also a notion of a groove or rhythm to your style, especially if it's unique, in which there are expectations of how any particular game is going to play out. When you're in the groove, the situations and the engagements seem familiar and that familiarity makes it easier to make the right decisions and maneuvers. What violet did, and explicitly said he did, was figure out his style, countered it, and thus disrupted his familiarity of the matchup, his funk. Anyway you want to spin it. Sortof got served on the dance floor.
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On December 09 2012 16:52 thepuppyassassin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:44 iamahydralisk wrote:On December 09 2012 16:39 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 09 2012 16:30 iamahydralisk wrote:On December 09 2012 16:28 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 09 2012 16:26 iamahydralisk wrote:On December 09 2012 16:21 Awesomeness wrote:On December 09 2012 16:20 iamahydralisk wrote:On December 09 2012 16:18 udgnim wrote:foreign ZvZ bonjwa exposed guess that just means Hyun's ZvZ isn't great nah. sortof was on an entirely different level in that bo5 against hyun. same in g1 against violet, too. something tilted sortof really badly though. not really, violet just figured him out. didn't seem that way to me. sortof's control and decision making were very noticeably worse against violet than they were against hyun. those aren't really things violet could've figured out. I feel like sorrtof would've 4-0'd or 4-1'd if he consistently played as well as he did against violet, but it seemed like violet was better than hyun and that messed with sortof's head. Yeah yeah he could've would've definitely should've 4-0'd 4-1'd everyone. he outclassed hyun in every game they played and did the same thing to violet in g1. his play in g2 on was very noticeably worse in ways that violet couldn't have effected (much worse control and forgetting basic things like upgrades). we can only speculate as to what messed with his play, but something definitely did. that's obvious after seeing his games vs hyun vs g2 on vs violet. How about we learn to use the word "outclassed" correctly and not overhype any more foreigner player just because he's foreigner? Violet made better decision in G2-G5 and outplayed Sortof. There was nothing mysterious affecting Sortof's play. He was sticking with one build and one style, and Violet reacted and exploited it. I'm not going to bother because you're not understanding. there is nothing player A can do skillwise that can somehow "counter" player B's ability to micro in basic battles (excluding anti-micro abilities obv.), make good decisions or remember basic gameplay elements like upgrading your army. those are all classic signs of the tilting, which sortof did. I don't understand why it's so hard for you to accept that fact that sortof looked clearly better than hyun but his nerves got to him against violet. it's entirely understandable given the fact that sortof isn't experienced on the big stage. There is also a notion of a groove or rhythm to your style, especially if it's unique, in which there are expectations of how any particular game is going to play out. When you're in the groove, the situations and the engagements seem familiar and that familiarity makes it easier to make the right decisions and maneuvers. What violet did, and explicitly said he did, was figure out his style, countered it, and thus disrupted his familiarity of the matchup, his funk. Anyway you want to spin it. Sortof got served on the dance floor.
Yeah I do agree 100% there. Hyun's a good example in FightClub, he gets into his zone and looks absolutely terrifying for it, against Sorfof he really didn't look recognisible as the same player
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Are there any VODs for free?
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On December 09 2012 16:44 iamahydralisk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:39 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 09 2012 16:30 iamahydralisk wrote:On December 09 2012 16:28 chosenkerrigan wrote:On December 09 2012 16:26 iamahydralisk wrote:On December 09 2012 16:21 Awesomeness wrote:On December 09 2012 16:20 iamahydralisk wrote:On December 09 2012 16:18 udgnim wrote:foreign ZvZ bonjwa exposed guess that just means Hyun's ZvZ isn't great nah. sortof was on an entirely different level in that bo5 against hyun. same in g1 against violet, too. something tilted sortof really badly though. not really, violet just figured him out. didn't seem that way to me. sortof's control and decision making were very noticeably worse against violet than they were against hyun. those aren't really things violet could've figured out. I feel like sorrtof would've 4-0'd or 4-1'd if he consistently played as well as he did against violet, but it seemed like violet was better than hyun and that messed with sortof's head. Yeah yeah he could've would've definitely should've 4-0'd 4-1'd everyone. he outclassed hyun in every game they played and did the same thing to violet in g1. his play in g2 on was very noticeably worse in ways that violet couldn't have effected (much worse control and forgetting basic things like upgrades). we can only speculate as to what messed with his play, but something definitely did. that's obvious after seeing his games vs hyun vs g2 on vs violet. How about we learn to use the word "outclassed" correctly and not overhype any more foreigner player just because he's foreigner? Violet made better decision in G2-G5 and outplayed Sortof. There was nothing mysterious affecting Sortof's play. He was sticking with one build and one style, and Violet reacted and exploited it. I'm not going to bother because you're not understanding. there is nothing player A can do skillwise that can somehow "counter" player B's ability to micro in basic battles (excluding anti-micro abilities obv.), make good decisions or remember basic gameplay elements like upgrading your army. those are all classic signs of tilting, which sortof did. I don't understand why it's so hard for you to accept that fact that sortof looked clearly better than hyun but his nerves got to him against violet. it's entirely understandable given the fact that sortof isn't experienced on the big stage.
Oh my where have you been all this time to explain to everybody that you tilt after winning a game! Brilliant conclusion as to why he lost I am sure no1 else thought of that before... because it's nonsense.
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