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ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
November 24 2012 06:00 GMT
#241
On November 24 2012 14:59 GARcher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 14:57 AgentW wrote:
Did we just witness the future of late game TvZ? Seemed pretty effective and Gumiho wasn't exactly dodging fungals. Life wasn't looking too good either, but the quartering of Life's defense was very well done.

+ Show Spoiler +
IdrA's been screaming that Terrans should be using ghosts in the late game, and I'm starting to think he's right.


Idra doesn't play Terran and he thinks Marines can counter banelings.


They do when you split them. Off creep.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
November 24 2012 06:01 GMT
#242
On November 24 2012 14:53 kodas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 14:51 Havik_ wrote:
On November 24 2012 14:49 goswser wrote:
Unlike foreign terrans, which just whine about infestors, korean terrans actually work out ways to deal with them.


Meh. I just feel like Terrans have been stubborn since the Ghost Nerf in Jan/February. They nerfed Snipe and stopped making them when EMP still pwns Infestors. Terran's have been using Ghosts to beat HT since the game came out but are just now bringing them back into TvZ after almost a year? I don't get it.

You two just really hate Terran, lol



How'd you know :p
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-24 06:01:37
November 24 2012 06:01 GMT
#243
I kinda wish GSL did what SPL does and interview the winning player after a good game about the game.
GARcher
Profile Joined October 2012
Canada294 Posts
November 24 2012 06:01 GMT
#244
On November 24 2012 15:00 ref4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 14:59 GARcher wrote:
On November 24 2012 14:57 AgentW wrote:
Did we just witness the future of late game TvZ? Seemed pretty effective and Gumiho wasn't exactly dodging fungals. Life wasn't looking too good either, but the quartering of Life's defense was very well done.

+ Show Spoiler +
IdrA's been screaming that Terrans should be using ghosts in the late game, and I'm starting to think he's right.


Idra doesn't play Terran and he thinks Marines can counter banelings.


They do when you split them. Off creep.


Not everyone can split like MKP.
ZvZ is like a shitty apartment: Roaches and Fungal Growth everywhere.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25771 Posts
November 24 2012 06:01 GMT
#245
On November 24 2012 14:57 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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On November 24 2012 14:56 DidYuhim wrote:
Let's be honest, Life didn't play his best. He has serious problems with Zerg lategame control. He kept massing Corrupters against massed M&M army, which didn't do him much good.

I do know that GuMiho could just switch to Vikings and kill off the BL's, but he didn't, right?

He could have earlier but he never went over 2 starports. he upgraded +1 ship weapons but then like you said Life overmade corruptors so making vikings would be pointless

I think it's a great style to pull out once in a while, I'm not sure it's robust enough to become stock TvZ. I mean Gumiho played really, really, really well that game, Life missed nukes and didn't pull workers on at least one occasion, let ghosts drop right onto his infestors in one of the engagements and it was still relatively close.

If you COULD play that way all the time vZ and win I'd really love it, was exciting to watch but Gumiho's the only one I've seen pull it off thus far. He played similarly against a Kespa player in the GSL a few months back, albeit without going pure bio the whole game but other Terrans are either unwilling or unable to adopt that style, just yet.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 24 2012 06:02 GMT
#246
On November 24 2012 15:01 MCXD wrote:
I kinda wish GSL did what SPL does and interview the winning player after a good game about the game.


doesn't really work when they have to get ready to play again
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
November 24 2012 06:02 GMT
#247
On November 24 2012 14:58 dabom88 wrote:
Most Khaldor? Dark's the only confirmed SKT1 transfer.

I think you might be looking for Axiom. Or Acer.


I believe Khaldor previously said Brown joined SKT T1 too.
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FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
November 24 2012 06:02 GMT
#248
On November 24 2012 15:01 GARcher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 15:00 ref4 wrote:
On November 24 2012 14:59 GARcher wrote:
On November 24 2012 14:57 AgentW wrote:
Did we just witness the future of late game TvZ? Seemed pretty effective and Gumiho wasn't exactly dodging fungals. Life wasn't looking too good either, but the quartering of Life's defense was very well done.

+ Show Spoiler +
IdrA's been screaming that Terrans should be using ghosts in the late game, and I'm starting to think he's right.


Idra doesn't play Terran and he thinks Marines can counter banelings.


They do when you split them. Off creep.


Not everyone can split like MKP.


Taeja,MVP,Bogus,Polt,Bomber,etc.
Play your best
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
November 24 2012 06:02 GMT
#249
On November 24 2012 14:58 dabom88 wrote:
Most Khaldor? Dark's the only confirmed SKT1 transfer.

I think you might be looking for Axiom. Or Acer.

What about Brown?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 24 2012 06:02 GMT
#250
GOD DAMN IT TASTELESS WHAT HAVE YOU DONE
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
November 24 2012 06:03 GMT
#251
On November 24 2012 15:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 14:57 AgentW wrote:
Did we just witness the future of late game TvZ? Seemed pretty effective and Gumiho wasn't exactly dodging fungals. Life wasn't looking too good either, but the quartering of Life's defense was very well done.

+ Show Spoiler +
IdrA's been screaming that Terrans should be using ghosts in the late game, and I'm starting to think he's right.


Not really. Life played very poorly for his standards. He had a bad opening that was directly countered, never took map control, responded late to almost every single drop, overmade corruptors, did not scout his opponent's base with overseers or changelings, was constantly caught out of position by the ghosts, and forgot to get baneling speed.


I only caught about 6 minutes onward (that shouldn't matter, but it could have swayed my opinion). Perhaps I was just enamored by Gumiho's multitasking and tactical decisions to oversee Life's flaws. The infestors to defend and BLs to attack seemed weird. Would definitely like to see it against someone who responds better.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
November 24 2012 06:03 GMT
#252
You had to say it Wolf tt
Fueled
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1610 Posts
November 24 2012 06:03 GMT
#253
well done Wolf, "some people would argue"
The Wood League - Where a double gas opening can still mean a Marine/SCV all-in
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
November 24 2012 06:03 GMT
#254
On November 24 2012 14:57 AgentW wrote:
Did we just witness the future of late game TvZ? Seemed pretty effective and Gumiho wasn't exactly dodging fungals. Life wasn't looking too good either, but the quartering of Life's defense was very well done.

+ Show Spoiler +
IdrA's been screaming that Terrans should be using ghosts in the late game, and I'm starting to think he's right.


The future, that's actually the past? Yeah. lol.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 24 2012 06:04 GMT
#255
if parting is best in da world

why he no going to las vegas
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catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3830 Posts
November 24 2012 06:04 GMT
#256
On November 24 2012 15:02 Dodgin wrote:
GOD DAMN IT TASTELESS WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

WHAT THE HELL TASTELESS

LIKE SERIOUSLY WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-24 06:05:25
November 24 2012 06:04 GMT
#257
On November 24 2012 15:03 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 15:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On November 24 2012 14:57 AgentW wrote:
Did we just witness the future of late game TvZ? Seemed pretty effective and Gumiho wasn't exactly dodging fungals. Life wasn't looking too good either, but the quartering of Life's defense was very well done.

+ Show Spoiler +
IdrA's been screaming that Terrans should be using ghosts in the late game, and I'm starting to think he's right.


Not really. Life played very poorly for his standards. He had a bad opening that was directly countered, never took map control, responded late to almost every single drop, overmade corruptors, did not scout his opponent's base with overseers or changelings, was constantly caught out of position by the ghosts, and forgot to get baneling speed.


I only caught about 6 minutes onward (that shouldn't matter, but it could have swayed my opinion). Perhaps I was just enamored by Gumiho's multitasking and tactical decisions to oversee Life's flaws. The infestors to defend and BLs to attack seemed weird. Would definitely like to see it against someone who responds better.


We technically did. Polt did the same build and play against Sniper in GSTL yesterday. But Sniper just went mutas and crushed it before the game ever got off the ground.
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
November 24 2012 06:04 GMT
#258
On November 24 2012 15:03 Havik_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 14:57 AgentW wrote:
Did we just witness the future of late game TvZ? Seemed pretty effective and Gumiho wasn't exactly dodging fungals. Life wasn't looking too good either, but the quartering of Life's defense was very well done.

+ Show Spoiler +
IdrA's been screaming that Terrans should be using ghosts in the late game, and I'm starting to think he's right.


The future, that's actually the past? Yeah. lol.

Tankless, vikingless terran? I don't really remember seeing that all too much.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25771 Posts
November 24 2012 06:04 GMT
#259
On November 24 2012 15:03 Havik_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 14:57 AgentW wrote:
Did we just witness the future of late game TvZ? Seemed pretty effective and Gumiho wasn't exactly dodging fungals. Life wasn't looking too good either, but the quartering of Life's defense was very well done.

+ Show Spoiler +
IdrA's been screaming that Terrans should be using ghosts in the late game, and I'm starting to think he's right.


The future, that's actually the past? Yeah. lol.

It's not at all similar to that style given the notable lack of tanks, defensive planetaries and ghosts being used primarily to snipe tier 3 units
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 24 2012 06:04 GMT
#260
On November 24 2012 15:04 Fionn wrote:
if parting is best in da world

why he no going to las vegas

Sniper is the unofficial world champion though. Parting vs Sniper bo1123123121 showmatch for the title
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