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On November 24 2012 14:58 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 14:57 Xpace wrote:On November 24 2012 14:53 bo1b wrote:On November 24 2012 14:52 Xpace wrote:Gumiho shows great play, using a strat that counters Life's Infestor style, defeating Life who didn't seem to be in shape, on Entombed Valley, the first game of the team league. Statements like "Gumiho is the best Terran in the world" and "Better than Mvp" immediately follow. Stay classy, Team Liquid  Can link a single game where mvp played better then that vs an opponent who was playing as well as life was playing? That's pretty objective right there; find a Mvp TvZ on Entombed where he focuses on drops/Ghosts? I don't think such a game exists. I don't think a game exists of mvp playing tvz on any map using any style with more skill displayed then in that game. That is my opinion though 
That's veeeery objective. I got a bit of MMA deja vu, though.
On November 24 2012 15:00 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 14:57 Xpace wrote:On November 24 2012 14:53 bo1b wrote:On November 24 2012 14:52 Xpace wrote:Gumiho shows great play, using a strat that counters Life's Infestor style, defeating Life who didn't seem to be in shape, on Entombed Valley, the first game of the team league. Statements like "Gumiho is the best Terran in the world" and "Better than Mvp" immediately follow. Stay classy, Team Liquid Can link a single game where mvp played better then that vs an opponent who was playing as well as life was playing? That's pretty objective right there; find a Mvp TvZ on Entombed where he focuses on drops/Ghosts? I don't think such a game exists. MVP never did that. But MVP is the first guy who pioneered mass ghost in TvZ late game. After that game against July,Korean ladder was filled with late game TvZ mass ghosts+siege tanks+ vikings with some planetary support.
IIRC, his mass Ghosts were on top of Mech, not Bio, though. But yeah, pretty much what you said.
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My prediction: Parting gets knocked out
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United States97276 Posts
GSTL S3 2012 Semifinals StarTale vs FXO Game 2 0-1  PartinG vs  GuMiho Map:
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PartinG spawns in the bottom left
GuMiho spawns in the top right
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On November 24 2012 15:02 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 15:01 GARcher wrote:On November 24 2012 15:00 ref4 wrote:On November 24 2012 14:59 GARcher wrote:On November 24 2012 14:57 AgentW wrote:Did we just witness the future of late game TvZ? Seemed pretty effective and Gumiho wasn't exactly dodging fungals. Life wasn't looking too good either, but the quartering of Life's defense was very well done. + Show Spoiler +IdrA's been screaming that Terrans should be using ghosts in the late game, and I'm starting to think he's right. Idra doesn't play Terran and he thinks Marines can counter banelings. They do when you split them. Off creep. Not everyone can split like MKP. Taeja,MVP,Bogus,Polt,Bomber,etc.
Only Polt comes even close to MKP, Bomber and Mvp are quite subpar at splitting, Mvp used to be quite good but not anymore.Taeja just replenishes everything, lol.
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Gumiho looks like hes on some weeds
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If just won 100k and are world champ, I think you can use a Pink mouse and be fine.
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On November 24 2012 15:04 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 15:03 Havik_ wrote:On November 24 2012 14:57 AgentW wrote:Did we just witness the future of late game TvZ? Seemed pretty effective and Gumiho wasn't exactly dodging fungals. Life wasn't looking too good either, but the quartering of Life's defense was very well done. + Show Spoiler +IdrA's been screaming that Terrans should be using ghosts in the late game, and I'm starting to think he's right. The future, that's actually the past? Yeah. lol. Tankless, vikingless terran? I don't really remember seeing that all too much.
maybe not completely vikingless because back then zergs didn't overmake corruptors just to counter vikings since snipe was good but Mvp popularized this late game style last year some time in june/july I think. maybe a bit later than that.
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Canada13408 Posts
Alright Parting, give me a build for PvT in tomorrow's CSL XD
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United States23455 Posts
On November 24 2012 15:05 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 15:02 FakeDeath wrote:On November 24 2012 15:01 GARcher wrote:On November 24 2012 15:00 ref4 wrote:On November 24 2012 14:59 GARcher wrote:On November 24 2012 14:57 AgentW wrote:Did we just witness the future of late game TvZ? Seemed pretty effective and Gumiho wasn't exactly dodging fungals. Life wasn't looking too good either, but the quartering of Life's defense was very well done. + Show Spoiler +IdrA's been screaming that Terrans should be using ghosts in the late game, and I'm starting to think he's right. Idra doesn't play Terran and he thinks Marines can counter banelings. They do when you split them. Off creep. Not everyone can split like MKP. Taeja,MVP,Bogus,Polt,Bomber,etc. Only Polt comes even close to MKP, Bomber and Mvp are quite subpar at splitting, Mvp used to be quite good but not anymore.Taeja just replenishes everything, lol.
Bogus is very good at splitting as well.
Polt, MKP, Bogus are the best three I've seen.
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Northern Ireland27110 Posts
On November 24 2012 15:05 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 15:02 FakeDeath wrote:On November 24 2012 15:01 GARcher wrote:On November 24 2012 15:00 ref4 wrote:On November 24 2012 14:59 GARcher wrote:On November 24 2012 14:57 AgentW wrote:Did we just witness the future of late game TvZ? Seemed pretty effective and Gumiho wasn't exactly dodging fungals. Life wasn't looking too good either, but the quartering of Life's defense was very well done. + Show Spoiler +IdrA's been screaming that Terrans should be using ghosts in the late game, and I'm starting to think he's right. Idra doesn't play Terran and he thinks Marines can counter banelings. They do when you split them. Off creep. Not everyone can split like MKP. Taeja,MVP,Bogus,Polt,Bomber,etc. Only Polt comes even close to MKP, Bomber and Mvp are quite subpar at splitting, Mvp used to be quite good but not anymore.Taeja just replenishes everything, lol.
MVP's bio micro at his pre-injured peak is one of those forever underrated aspects of his play 
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On November 24 2012 15:04 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 15:03 AgentW wrote:On November 24 2012 15:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 24 2012 14:57 AgentW wrote:Did we just witness the future of late game TvZ? Seemed pretty effective and Gumiho wasn't exactly dodging fungals. Life wasn't looking too good either, but the quartering of Life's defense was very well done. + Show Spoiler +IdrA's been screaming that Terrans should be using ghosts in the late game, and I'm starting to think he's right. Not really. Life played very poorly for his standards. He had a bad opening that was directly countered, never took map control, responded late to almost every single drop, overmade corruptors, did not scout his opponent's base with overseers or changelings, was constantly caught out of position by the ghosts, and forgot to get baneling speed. I only caught about 6 minutes onward (that shouldn't matter, but it could have swayed my opinion). Perhaps I was just enamored by Gumiho's multitasking and tactical decisions to oversee Life's flaws. The infestors to defend and BLs to attack seemed weird. Would definitely like to see it against someone who responds better. We technically did. Polt did the same build and play against Sniper in GSTL yesterday. But Sniper just went mutas and crushed it before the game ever got off the ground.
Well, dammit then. I didn't see the matches yesterday, but was hoping for a change in the meta D: Too bad.
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On November 24 2012 15:04 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 15:03 Havik_ wrote:On November 24 2012 14:57 AgentW wrote:Did we just witness the future of late game TvZ? Seemed pretty effective and Gumiho wasn't exactly dodging fungals. Life wasn't looking too good either, but the quartering of Life's defense was very well done. + Show Spoiler +IdrA's been screaming that Terrans should be using ghosts in the late game, and I'm starting to think he's right. The future, that's actually the past? Yeah. lol. Tankless, vikingless terran? I don't really remember seeing that all too much.
MKP.
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United States23455 Posts
On November 24 2012 15:04 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 15:04 Fionn wrote:
if parting is best in da world
why he no going to las vegas
Sniper is the unofficial world champion though. Parting vs Sniper bo1123123121 showmatch for the title
sniper probably is the best playing player in the world right now
god help us
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On November 24 2012 15:04 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 15:04 Fionn wrote:
if parting is best in da world
why he no going to las vegas
Sniper is the unofficial world champion though. Parting vs Sniper bo1123123121 showmatch for the title
That might actually kill esports
"Can he hold the wonwonwon for the 28756th time."
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On November 24 2012 15:06 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 15:04 bo1b wrote:On November 24 2012 15:03 Havik_ wrote:On November 24 2012 14:57 AgentW wrote:Did we just witness the future of late game TvZ? Seemed pretty effective and Gumiho wasn't exactly dodging fungals. Life wasn't looking too good either, but the quartering of Life's defense was very well done. + Show Spoiler +IdrA's been screaming that Terrans should be using ghosts in the late game, and I'm starting to think he's right. The future, that's actually the past? Yeah. lol. Tankless, vikingless terran? I don't really remember seeing that all too much. MKP.
MKP never really made mass ghosts and dropped like that. Not in TVZ at least.
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On November 24 2012 15:06 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 15:04 Shellshock1122 wrote:On November 24 2012 15:04 Fionn wrote:
if parting is best in da world
why he no going to las vegas
Sniper is the unofficial world champion though. Parting vs Sniper bo1123123121 showmatch for the title sniper probably is the best playing player in the world right now god help us
he's going to become that boring best player in the world guy, then a year from now when zerg is doing really poorly he's going to cheese his way to a GSL title, fans will rally behind him as the underdog saving their race.
I think I've seen this movie.
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oh my god i hope FXO wins D:
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Northern Ireland27110 Posts
On November 24 2012 15:05 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 15:04 bo1b wrote:On November 24 2012 15:03 Havik_ wrote:On November 24 2012 14:57 AgentW wrote:Did we just witness the future of late game TvZ? Seemed pretty effective and Gumiho wasn't exactly dodging fungals. Life wasn't looking too good either, but the quartering of Life's defense was very well done. + Show Spoiler +IdrA's been screaming that Terrans should be using ghosts in the late game, and I'm starting to think he's right. The future, that's actually the past? Yeah. lol. Tankless, vikingless terran? I don't really remember seeing that all too much. maybe not completely vikingless because back then zergs didn't overmake corruptors just to counter vikings since snipe was good but Mvp popularized this late game style last year some time in june/july I think. maybe a bit later than that.
It's not just the compositions, positionally the two play out completely differently as well. MVP's lategame once he secured infrastucture was more defensive than Gumiho's constant multipronged aggression and drops. Literally the only similarities I see are that ghosts were made, which is always nice
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On November 24 2012 15:04 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 15:04 Fionn wrote:
if parting is best in da world
why he no going to las vegas
Sniper is the unofficial world champion though. Parting vs Sniper bo1123123121 showmatch for the title
Parting vs Sniper best of 111 
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On November 24 2012 15:07 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 15:06 Fionn wrote:On November 24 2012 15:04 Shellshock1122 wrote:On November 24 2012 15:04 Fionn wrote:
if parting is best in da world
why he no going to las vegas
Sniper is the unofficial world champion though. Parting vs Sniper bo1123123121 showmatch for the title sniper probably is the best playing player in the world right now god help us he's going to become that boring best player in the world guy, then a year from now when zerg is doing really poorly he's going to cheese his way to a GSL title, fans will rally behind him as the underdog saving their race. I think I've seen this movie.
He also needs wrist injuries or it doesn't count.
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