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Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
November 17 2012 10:29 GMT
#7501
On November 17 2012 19:28 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 19:19 nkr wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:16 Chicane wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:14 nkr wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:13 Chicane wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:11 nkr wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:09 Chicane wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:07 Derrida wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:02 Ziggitz wrote:
How dense are you people. You wanna throw a series? Two games up to maxed armies with elaborate army positioning and backstabs is not the way to do it. 10 pool vs 16 hatch 16 gas 17 pool is how you do it.


Your argument makes no sense, that would be very obvious and fuel the paranoias of conspiracy theorists.


Yeah, and it would lead to him potentially getting caught if he made it obvious. It's not difficult to simply play worse later in the game...

DISCLAIMER: I am once again not saying that I think Stephano threw it, but people are using such flawed logic to make it seem like it somehow isn't a possibility.


I think there's a possibility that you're retarded. I'm not saying you are, but it's still possible.


What a needless personal attack. I'm just being sensible and logical. I'm sorry if it is crushing your dream world where everyone plays for honor and not for money.


I'm just using your own flawed way of arguing.


No... if you were doing that, you would make a statement that would point out the logical flaw in my statement, rather than insulting me in a "witty" way.


Ok, I'll spell it out for you since you don't get it.

Anything is possible. It is possible that every game this event has been staged and no one has actually tried their best. It is also possible there's no money in this tournament and the players are aware of it, hence not trying their best.

Arguing something just because it's possible is absolutely retarded unless you have something actually pointing towards it other than it being... possible.


"Arguing something just because it's possible is absolutely retarded unless you have something actually pointing towards it other than it being... possible."

K.

Stephano has tried to throw games in the past. It is very reasonable that he believes beating HerO and then BabyK is easier than Rain. There is $100k on the line, and Stephano plays SC2 for the money. If he simply plays a normal game, but plays worse, he can't get caught.

Well, I guess we agree then. It is a reasonable possibility because there is "something actually pointing towards it other than it being... possible."

just fucking stop

all you're doing is creating arguments in a fucking lr thread

go to irc
Maruprime.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
November 17 2012 10:30 GMT
#7502
On November 17 2012 19:28 Dodgin wrote:
this kind of reminds me of the finals at blizzcon last year where some people thought Nestea threw the final game

we later learned that NesTea makes horrible horrible decisions in the lategame and that's where he almost always loses

;o

And that blizzard nerfed the ghost because of these games despite Mvp being just far far far (or almost any other korean terran) better than NesTea. Good old times :D.
WriterMaru
Vandrad
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany951 Posts
November 17 2012 10:30 GMT
#7503
On November 17 2012 19:29 Fionn wrote:
but yeah, idra is good zvz. if state beats rain, idra could make the semifinals.

but that depends on state winning.

Why?
He just will defeat Rain then.
And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low?
Meggiroth
Profile Joined March 2012
239 Posts
November 17 2012 10:30 GMT
#7504
Its not just that 60 apm its a lot more things that make this game throw so obvious.
"He who fishes in other man’s well often catches crabs." - Confucius
SKYFISH_
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria990 Posts
November 17 2012 10:30 GMT
#7505
lets just apply occam's razor here people
which is more likley - idra not suckin hardcore at SC2 or stephano throwing the game on purpose?

i think the answer here is obvious
+ Show Spoiler +
but honestly now, idra sucks, wining two ZvZs in a row doesnt make him a good player


on a side note, i can hear khaldor's casting on stream 4, seems they fixed the sounds issues...kinda

In Soviet Terranistan you rush the Zerg
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 10:30:59
November 17 2012 10:30 GMT
#7506
On November 17 2012 19:28 Chill Penguin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 19:23 tylerf wrote:
Regarding _if_ Stephano threw: Giving up one out of two chances to advance is idiotic, no matter how much of a sure thing he and everyone else thinks beating HerO might be. Nothing is a sure thing.


This right here.

If it was a situation where he had already advanced, and it was just seeding on the line (aka korean badminton players @ olympics) then maybe I could understand bringing out the conspiracy theories. But to suggest it with the current situation is ludicrous.


Except... it's not always the case.

If (for example) Stephano had to play Rain if he won, but he played Levin, and then Insur if he lost... it would be easier for him.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
November 17 2012 10:30 GMT
#7507
On November 17 2012 19:28 Ziggitz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 19:27 AxionSteel wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:25 Fishriot wrote:
AMOUNT OF FUCKS GIVEN = ZERO

IDRA BEAST MODE #YOLO


I've missed IdrA's army of fanboys


The antifans are much more amusing.


Hrm, nah. Tbh I don't even think he has many of them anymore, I think most people are happy to see him do well after seemingly being left behind for so long.
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
November 17 2012 10:30 GMT
#7508
On November 17 2012 19:29 Fusilero wrote:
Curious decides he's had enough, attacks hero's 2 archon, blink stalker army. Too many roaches, fungals everywhere and hero taps out.

CJ_Hero 1-1 Curious

I need to remember to quote my own LR this shit is probably hard to follow amongst all the conspiracy theories rofl.


It is indeed
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
November 17 2012 10:31 GMT
#7509
Idra and Stephano's fanboys are annoying. For them Idra=the best zerg in the world when he's on his game. Stephano=If he loses he just doesn't care. -_-"
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2014 Posts
November 17 2012 10:31 GMT
#7510
Go Grubby, make it storm !
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
November 17 2012 10:31 GMT
#7511
My brother told me to watch out for Titan this tournament and I didn't take him seriously. What a good day for Titan though, I hope he can keep it up for tomorrow.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Jtom
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland1044 Posts
November 17 2012 10:31 GMT
#7512
On November 17 2012 19:29 Fionn wrote:
but yeah, idra is good zvz. if state beats rain, idra could make the semifinals.

but that depends on state winning.

Titan will take out the winner of IdrA vs Rain/State anyway, don't you worry~
"Daddy, how did the Protossaurs go extinct?" "A giant EMP hit the earth" - Fionn
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 17 2012 10:31 GMT
#7513
WOW Idra!
:)
DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
November 17 2012 10:31 GMT
#7514
On November 17 2012 19:26 broodmann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 19:18 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:15 broodmann wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:12 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:11 broodmann wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:09 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:06 Chicane wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:02 Vandrad wrote:
lol at you conspiracy nuts - stephano tried everything to win.


Ugh... this is just frustrating. I am not saying Stephano threw the games, but it frustrates me to see people who say that they KNOW he did, and also people acting like it isn't a possibility whatsoever.

Stephano HAS TRIED TO THROW GAMES IN THE PAST!!! Why can't everyone just accept the fact that he may have, and also accept the fact that they don't know if he actually did it. It would be so much more sensible..........


Actually, the sensible thing to do is to assume both players played their best.



Then Stephano sure has gotten a lot worse lately


His ZvZ was never as good as his ZvP or ZvT.


I've never seen him play ZvZ this poorly, in game 2 he just threw away infestor energy and units on nothing, several times he split his army in two, attacking with only half of his units


I have. I've also seen him play terribly in his other matchups. Players make mistakes, it happens to the best of them. Before today I've never seen Rain played PvP completely mediocre, but it happens.

To suggest Stephano is throwing games is absurd.


Hardly absurd, Stephano has a lot to gain from throwing the game, not only will he not have to face Rain who is a beast in PvZ his teammate also gets through to the next round. He will have to play Hero again but wouldn't he rather play Hero then BBK rather than Rain?


And Idra's PvZ is absolutely horrid. Idra would have more to gain by throwing this series, yet he won on absolutely back-to-back crushing performances over RoRo and Stephano.

Also, you're downplaying Stephano's amazing PvZ. We just saw how vulnerable Rain is in his supposedly godly PvP. Stephano can give him a run for his money if they were to play. Again, no player would risk throwing games and then NOT even making it out of the group. Anything can happen. It's too risky to even try.
simmeh
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2511 Posts
November 17 2012 10:32 GMT
#7515
is the grubby/sen observer drunk?
byah!
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
November 17 2012 10:32 GMT
#7516
Wow, great observing...
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 17 2012 10:32 GMT
#7517
Alirght we're in on FAMILY (Ohana) for decider of curious vs hero for the RO16. 15/15 from curious and 17 nexus first from hero nothing too off.
Glorious SEA doto
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
November 17 2012 10:32 GMT
#7518
Lol wtf is the observer in Grubby v Sen doing?
gn1k
Profile Joined July 2010
United States441 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 10:33:23
November 17 2012 10:32 GMT
#7519
WTF observer was looking everywhere except at the run by lings! Cool keyboard for Sen.
Creator of Street Empires and APM TD
EnderCraft
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1746 Posts
November 17 2012 10:32 GMT
#7520
Fail WCS asia observer is back...
SC:BW has a higher skill ceiling than SC2? SC 64 is where it's at brah.
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