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Vandrad
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany951 Posts
November 17 2012 10:26 GMT
#7461
On November 17 2012 19:24 grifterfm wrote:
So you pick the one time they showed Stephano's APM at 60 when very other time he was near 300. I've never seen so much selective bs.


OMG he didn't keep his APM up at some random second - He lost on purpose.
And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low?
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
November 17 2012 10:26 GMT
#7462
On November 17 2012 19:22 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 19:20 AndAgain wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:17 Fionn wrote:
Yeah, it was quite funny when they showed APM during the middle of the game and Idra was at 250+ and Stephano peaked at 60.


I only caught the ending of the game. If this is true, it's pretty overwhelming evidence that he threw the game.


There is a difference between throwing a game and playing casually.

a very slight difference tbh, 60 apm? And here I was thinking that grack might be back, poor grack .
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
humblegar
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Norway883 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 10:27:17
November 17 2012 10:26 GMT
#7463
On November 17 2012 19:22 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 19:20 AndAgain wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:17 Fionn wrote:
Yeah, it was quite funny when they showed APM during the middle of the game and Idra was at 250+ and Stephano peaked at 60.


I only caught the ending of the game. If this is true, it's pretty overwhelming evidence that he threw the game.


There is a difference between throwing a game and playing casually.


I might have been watching a different stream, since I saw high apm for both midgame. Or are all of you just "forgetting" this?

And should you not know better Fionn? How could your post about APM do anything but fuel the speculations?
broodmann
Profile Joined December 2011
604 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 10:27:48
November 17 2012 10:26 GMT
#7464
On November 17 2012 19:18 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 19:15 broodmann wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:12 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:11 broodmann wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:09 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:06 Chicane wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:02 Vandrad wrote:
lol at you conspiracy nuts - stephano tried everything to win.


Ugh... this is just frustrating. I am not saying Stephano threw the games, but it frustrates me to see people who say that they KNOW he did, and also people acting like it isn't a possibility whatsoever.

Stephano HAS TRIED TO THROW GAMES IN THE PAST!!! Why can't everyone just accept the fact that he may have, and also accept the fact that they don't know if he actually did it. It would be so much more sensible..........


Actually, the sensible thing to do is to assume both players played their best.



Then Stephano sure has gotten a lot worse lately


His ZvZ was never as good as his ZvP or ZvT.


I've never seen him play ZvZ this poorly, in game 2 he just threw away infestor energy and units on nothing, several times he split his army in two, attacking with only half of his units


I have. I've also seen him play terribly in his other matchups. Players make mistakes, it happens to the best of them. Before today I've never seen Rain played PvP completely mediocre, but it happens.

To suggest Stephano is throwing games is absurd.


Hardly absurd, Stephano has a lot to gain from throwing the game, not only will he not have to face Rain who is a beast in PvZ his teammate also gets through to the next round. He will have to play Hero again but wouldn't he rather play Hero then BBK rather than Rain?
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8642 Posts
November 17 2012 10:26 GMT
#7465
SEN VS GRUBBY ON THE MAIN STREAM <3 <3 <3 :D
in the age of "Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV" leadership.
grifterfm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States28 Posts
November 17 2012 10:26 GMT
#7466
On November 17 2012 19:25 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 19:24 grifterfm wrote:
So you pick the one time they showed Stephano's APM at 60 when very other time he was near 300. I've never seen so much selective bs.


You obviously haven't watched the games from Stephano's POV. His APM was low all game...


They showed APM multiple times Idra was low 200 and Stephano near 300 every other time this conspiracy stuff is crazy.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
November 17 2012 10:26 GMT
#7467
That is the luckiest hatchery ever. Such an entertaining game.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
November 17 2012 10:26 GMT
#7468
On November 17 2012 19:25 Fishriot wrote:
AMOUNT OF FUCKS GIVEN = ZERO

IDRA BEAST MODE #YOLO

YAWWWWWLAOOOOO
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
November 17 2012 10:26 GMT
#7469
thanks for the various updates on how the games are going guys
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 17 2012 10:26 GMT
#7470
Lots of stalkers get caught by the fungal, hero looks completely dead desperate on one base with HTs and cannons trapped at the 3rd location.
Glorious SEA doto
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
November 17 2012 10:27 GMT
#7471
On November 17 2012 19:25 Fishriot wrote:
AMOUNT OF FUCKS GIVEN = ZERO

IDRA BEAST MODE #YOLO


I've missed IdrA's army of fanboys
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
November 17 2012 10:27 GMT
#7472
Anyone remember the Grubby vs Nerchio game Apollo just mentioned? Sent chills down my spine...
#1 Grubby Fan.
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
November 17 2012 10:27 GMT
#7473
HOLY shit.

I can't believe idra actually managed to pull that off. Absolutely ridiculous.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
November 17 2012 10:27 GMT
#7474
On November 17 2012 19:27 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 19:25 Fishriot wrote:
AMOUNT OF FUCKS GIVEN = ZERO

IDRA BEAST MODE #YOLO


I've missed IdrA's army of fanboys

They're hilarious, yeah
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
November 17 2012 10:27 GMT
#7475
I remember when speculating about throwing matches once got like 40people temp bans in 1 thread a year ago.
Chill Penguin
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia756 Posts
November 17 2012 10:28 GMT
#7476
On November 17 2012 19:23 tylerf wrote:
Regarding _if_ Stephano threw: Giving up one out of two chances to advance is idiotic, no matter how much of a sure thing he and everyone else thinks beating HerO might be. Nothing is a sure thing.


This right here.

If it was a situation where he had already advanced, and it was just seeding on the line (aka korean badminton players @ olympics) then maybe I could understand bringing out the conspiracy theories. But to suggest it with the current situation is ludicrous.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4730 Posts
November 17 2012 10:28 GMT
#7477
Lol, I finally figured out that this is not Round Robin, but GSL format. Everything makes so much more sense now.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
KillAudio
Profile Joined October 2010
1364 Posts
November 17 2012 10:28 GMT
#7478
State needs to beat Rain.
From a scale of sheth to idra, how mad are you?
Ziggitz
Profile Joined September 2010
United States340 Posts
November 17 2012 10:28 GMT
#7479
On November 17 2012 19:27 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 19:25 Fishriot wrote:
AMOUNT OF FUCKS GIVEN = ZERO

IDRA BEAST MODE #YOLO


I've missed IdrA's army of fanboys


The antifans are much more amusing.
DrakeFZX3
Profile Joined October 2010
United States925 Posts
November 17 2012 10:28 GMT
#7480
On November 17 2012 19:24 ninjamyst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 19:16 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:14 Chicane wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:13 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:11 Chicane wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:09 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:06 Chicane wrote:
On November 17 2012 19:02 Vandrad wrote:
lol at you conspiracy nuts - stephano tried everything to win.


Ugh... this is just frustrating. I am not saying Stephano threw the games, but it frustrates me to see people who say that they KNOW he did, and also people acting like it isn't a possibility whatsoever.

Stephano HAS TRIED TO THROW GAMES IN THE PAST!!! Why can't everyone just accept the fact that he may have, and also accept the fact that they don't know if he actually did it. It would be so much more sensible..........


Actually, the sensible thing to do is to assume both players played their best.



Well, that's what I am assuming... but I am also being reasonable by acknowledging the fact that it is a possibility that they did not in the interests of winning $100k. That's all. It just bothers me that everyone seems so ignorant of that being a very real possibility.


Uhh, that's not being reasonable at all.


It's not reasonable to acknowledge that a player may lose a game in the interests of having an easier path to the finals (when they can look ahead in the bracket)? Please explain why.


Because you're assuming the worst out of players without any substantial evidence whatsoever.


and you are assuming all players are angels? It's absurd to think that the thought of throwing the game did not cross Stephano's mind and did not affect his gameplay at all. Players play to win. $100k on the line. You do what you have to do to give yourself the biggest chance to win it all. I am not saying it's wrong. I think it's a smart move for Stephano. Most of us would do the same when in his position.


Nope. Not assuming they're angels, but assuming they're decent human beings? Sure thing. You also forgetting that Stephano's ZvP is out-of-this-world. Idra's ZvP is absolutely horrid. By your logic, Idra has more reason to throw this series than Stephano would in any case. And what you think is not necessarily what Stephano thinks. And you can't ever speak for the majority of people.
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