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Of course, if I were to be objective and starting thinking about how sc2 could regain its position...
I think the BW OSLs, apart from the actual games, had a more family friendly, carnival-like atmosphere to them, especially the big outdoor ones. BW was the main attraction BUT not the only attraction. Also, there's just simply too many games going on - it's saturated enough. I still disagree with the 1 per month Code S finals, first of all it doesn't feel like a grand final anymore when it happens so often, and because the champs keep changing there's no real "aftermath" so to speak, like the aftermath when bisu smashed savior once and for all.
If OGN were to give up sc2, which is a likely possibility, it would not be a victory for GOM at all. If OGN goes down, GOM's next. Slowly but surely. Both leagues should work very closely with each other.
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On October 27 2012 22:01 lolmlg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 21:51 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:On October 27 2012 21:29 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:24 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:22 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:17 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:15 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:13 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:11 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:08 monkybone wrote:
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It's their first sc2 tournament. Are they supposed to just give up when they don't get the attention like GSL? What kind of attitude is that...
this is the first chance of some real competition in korea. It's their first SC2 tournament and the viewers didn't follow the BW--> SC2 transition at all, because they don't want to watch that game. Normally when there is a new thing, people are more interested... or at least they are curious. OGN lost so many fans when transitionning. It's called building up a fanbase. There's nothing automatic about it. Are you kidding me? They already had a fanbase. This was supposed to be OGN's BW fanbase meet SC2 fanbase. If this game was interesting, it would have been bigger than the BW OSL of the last few years, but the audience was almost inexistant. Please, just realize how dead this game is compared to BW. They had a BW fanbase. And your pessimism is pathetic... Just because OGN does bad its first season, suddenly sc2 is dead. Spare me. When you think realism is pessimism, maybe you should stop being biased. I really wanted the KESPA players and OGN to revigorate SC2, but the only ones who can do it don't even have the competence to do so. They release a BALANCE patch every week for the beta HoTS, and think suddenly this game is going to be popular and growing. Your optimism is killing Starcraft.. it needs a reality check. The life is sc2 in korea doesn't hinge on the OSL, not at all. GSL is WAY bigger in korea, the OSL barely has any attention on the forums and such in korea (this a fact). You are blowing this out of proportion, and living in the past where the OSL was the shit and more important than anything. And please, don't go over into the whole saveHotS rant, it's so ridiculous. GSL finals fill out an auditorium which is not bad, but please go watch a BW finals from 2005 or so. I do understand that with streaming and all, people will have lower motivations to actually move out to an offline event, but these are the finals.. there should have been more people. and if you think i live in the past, go watch offline LoL events: people are still interested in E-sports.. just not Starcraft 2. you have to consider that in 2005 bw basically was esports but now we have more than just 1 game that people like to watch. People didn't watch BW because they didn't have any other video games to watch. They watched it because they liked it. There were lots of other proleagues on OGN and MBC Game. Most of them went away relatively quickly because the games weren't very good by comparison or as interesting to a spectator. Edit: Also, I don't think SC2 viewership would go up if LoL went away.
yea and nowadays people like to watch other games as well. not sure what you are trying to tell me with that 
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On October 27 2012 22:04 shadymmj wrote:
Of course, if I were to be objective and starting thinking about how sc2 could regain its position...
I think the BW OSLs, apart from the actual games, had a more family friendly, carnival-like atmosphere to them, especially the big outdoor ones. BW was the main attraction BUT not the only attraction. Also, there's just simply too many games going on - it's saturated enough. I still disagree with the 1 per month Code S finals, first of all it doesn't feel like a grand final anymore when it happens so often, and because the champs keep changing there's no real "aftermath" so to speak, like the aftermath when bisu smashed savior once and for all.
If OGN were to give up sc2, which is a likely possibility, it would not be a victory for GOM at all. If OGN goes down, GOM's next. Slowly but surely. Both leagues should work very closely with each other.
there are 5 GSL seasons each year, not 12
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Games were boring TBH, and crowd not good.
Tired of watching deathballs vs deathballs@sneaky drop/DTs warp in/gling runby in eco.
This game needs an upkeep system like in WC3 to prevent this, or smaller maps.
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And he's a big favourite going into the BWC, so might add another $100k in addition to his 80k salary 
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The game needs to be less attack move to prevent the deathball vs deathball.
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On October 27 2012 22:43 zerious wrote:And he's a big favourite going into the BWC, so might add another $100k in addition to his 80k salary
Boxer may get a cut of that money. Why is he always a winner?
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On October 27 2012 02:30 mikedebo wrote:
I dunno, DRG is freakin good but Rain is really scary. If I had to put money on it, I'd bet on Rain.
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Huzzah. Kespa player wins OSL all is right in the world.
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are there any free vods link ?
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Yep.
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Really disappointing play from DRG. He's better than this.
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On October 27 2012 21:51 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 21:29 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:24 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:22 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:17 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:15 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:13 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:11 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:08 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:07 Patate wrote:
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The games were good? no. PvZ is always boring.
The audience was inexistant, and the atmosphere was dead.
I wouldn't be surprised if OGN just quits SC2, or goes back to BW. This tournament was simply awful and I will not even remember it tomorrow when waking up.
I hope Blizzard will step it up and fundamentally change this game before they lose all their big partners (OGN-kespa, for one). But I'm losing hope :X
It's their first sc2 tournament. Are they supposed to just give up when they don't get the attention like GSL? What kind of attitude is that... this is the first chance of some real competition in korea. It's their first SC2 tournament and the viewers didn't follow the BW--> SC2 transition at all, because they don't want to watch that game. Normally when there is a new thing, people are more interested... or at least they are curious. OGN lost so many fans when transitionning. It's called building up a fanbase. There's nothing automatic about it. Are you kidding me? They already had a fanbase. This was supposed to be OGN's BW fanbase meet SC2 fanbase. If this game was interesting, it would have been bigger than the BW OSL of the last few years, but the audience was almost inexistant. Please, just realize how dead this game is compared to BW. They had a BW fanbase. And your pessimism is pathetic... Just because OGN does bad its first season, suddenly sc2 is dead. Spare me. When you think realism is pessimism, maybe you should stop being biased. I really wanted the KESPA players and OGN to revigorate SC2, but the only ones who can do it don't even have the competence to do so. They release a BALANCE patch every week for the beta HoTS, and think suddenly this game is going to be popular and growing. Your optimism is killing Starcraft.. it needs a reality check. The life is sc2 in korea doesn't hinge on the OSL, not at all. GSL is WAY bigger in korea, the OSL barely has any attention on the forums and such in korea (this a fact). You are blowing this out of proportion, and living in the past where the OSL was the shit and more important than anything. And please, don't go over into the whole saveHotS rant, it's so ridiculous. GSL finals fill out an auditorium which is not bad, but please go watch a BW finals from 2005 or so. I do understand that with streaming and all, people will have lower motivations to actually move out to an offline event, but these are the finals.. there should have been more people. and if you think i live in the past, go watch offline LoL events: people are still interested in E-sports.. just not Starcraft 2. you have to consider that in 2005 bw basically was esports but now we have more than just 1 game that people like to watch.
bw wasnt an "esport" outside of korea. counter-strike probably had 100x the viewers of any bw event when it came to foreign views.
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Is there any VODs of this finals?
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On October 27 2012 23:48 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 21:51 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:On October 27 2012 21:29 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:24 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:22 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:17 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:15 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:13 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:11 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:08 monkybone wrote:
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It's their first sc2 tournament. Are they supposed to just give up when they don't get the attention like GSL? What kind of attitude is that...
this is the first chance of some real competition in korea. It's their first SC2 tournament and the viewers didn't follow the BW--> SC2 transition at all, because they don't want to watch that game. Normally when there is a new thing, people are more interested... or at least they are curious. OGN lost so many fans when transitionning. It's called building up a fanbase. There's nothing automatic about it. Are you kidding me? They already had a fanbase. This was supposed to be OGN's BW fanbase meet SC2 fanbase. If this game was interesting, it would have been bigger than the BW OSL of the last few years, but the audience was almost inexistant. Please, just realize how dead this game is compared to BW. They had a BW fanbase. And your pessimism is pathetic... Just because OGN does bad its first season, suddenly sc2 is dead. Spare me. When you think realism is pessimism, maybe you should stop being biased. I really wanted the KESPA players and OGN to revigorate SC2, but the only ones who can do it don't even have the competence to do so. They release a BALANCE patch every week for the beta HoTS, and think suddenly this game is going to be popular and growing. Your optimism is killing Starcraft.. it needs a reality check. The life is sc2 in korea doesn't hinge on the OSL, not at all. GSL is WAY bigger in korea, the OSL barely has any attention on the forums and such in korea (this a fact). You are blowing this out of proportion, and living in the past where the OSL was the shit and more important than anything. And please, don't go over into the whole saveHotS rant, it's so ridiculous. GSL finals fill out an auditorium which is not bad, but please go watch a BW finals from 2005 or so. I do understand that with streaming and all, people will have lower motivations to actually move out to an offline event, but these are the finals.. there should have been more people. and if you think i live in the past, go watch offline LoL events: people are still interested in E-sports.. just not Starcraft 2. you have to consider that in 2005 bw basically was esports but now we have more than just 1 game that people like to watch. bw wasnt an "esport" outside of korea. counter-strike probably had 100x the viewers of any bw event when it came to foreign views.
If you count Chinese as foreigners, then your statement is certainly not true. Even in late stage of BW pro scene, there are still huge number of viewers for Proleague and OSL, usually larger than GSL viewers.
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Rain 4-1 I thnk Rain will win the GSL S5 Finals
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DRG Well done but Rain too strong
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