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On October 27 2012 21:26 vAtAZz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 21:23 bearhug wrote:
MLG， WCS， WEM， GSL， OSL....
what happened to Terran? Terran has been for a very long time the most represented race in code with with until 60% of Terrans in Code S, please let the others races win trophies.
When they start being fun to watch, sure.
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Fuck yeah Rain, I knew it. Now win WCS Finals please. I will be there watching you just like WCS Asia finals.
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On October 27 2012 21:27 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 21:26 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:25 Patate wrote:
(comebacks are impossible in SC2 anyways.. except in TvT)
I can remember an MLG game between Taeja and Hero... I remember a TvZ about a week ago.. I'm a BW fan and i'm almost ashamed of it sometimes. Some BW fans are such children.
I started watching Brood War in 2010 when i bought SC2. I didn't care about E-sports before then, and i started watching both games. I have a SC2 GSL subscription, both for GSTL and GSL. While I enjoy playing Starcraft 2, maybe even more than playing BW where I constantly fight the broken pathing and units behavior, WATCHING the games are entirely different. No one can enjoy watching SC2 more than BW, except for the few ones who care about graphics.
As for the comebacks comment, my point is that comebacks should be common, not something you see once in a few months.
"I remember that Taeja vs Hero game".. well if comebacks were common, you wouldn't remember that game because it wouldn't be special.
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Are there VODs available for the OSL games?
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On October 27 2012 21:35 Patate wrote:
No one can enjoy watching SC2 more than BW, except for the few ones who care about graphics.
please don't generalise
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On October 27 2012 21:36 Salient wrote:
Are there VODs available for the OSL games?
http://www.youtube.com/user/ESportsTV
Normally they always upload the OGN stuff.. they might upload it later today
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Congratulations to Rain! 
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On October 27 2012 21:37 zerious wrote:![[image loading]](http://nimg.nate.com/orgImg/sc/2012/10/27/2012102701001825300163511.jpg)
That's S2, right? Never heard of him in SC2 though. Hope he can carry zerg flag for SKT T1.
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On October 27 2012 21:29 Patate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 21:24 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:22 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:17 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:15 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:13 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:11 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:08 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:07 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:00 Danzo wrote:
Man watching those older OSL montages, the atmosphere was so electric. I didn't feel any of that today even tho the games were good. The games were good? no. PvZ is always boring. The audience was inexistant, and the atmosphere was dead. I wouldn't be surprised if OGN just quits SC2, or goes back to BW. This tournament was simply awful and I will not even remember it tomorrow when waking up. I hope Blizzard will step it up and fundamentally change this game before they lose all their big partners (OGN-kespa, for one). But I'm losing hope :X It's their first sc2 tournament. Are they supposed to just give up when they don't get the attention like GSL? What kind of attitude is that... this is the first chance of some real competition in korea. It's their first SC2 tournament and the viewers didn't follow the BW--> SC2 transition at all, because they don't want to watch that game. Normally when there is a new thing, people are more interested... or at least they are curious. OGN lost so many fans when transitionning. It's called building up a fanbase. There's nothing automatic about it. Are you kidding me? They already had a fanbase. This was supposed to be OGN's BW fanbase meet SC2 fanbase. If this game was interesting, it would have been bigger than the BW OSL of the last few years, but the audience was almost inexistant. Please, just realize how dead this game is compared to BW. They had a BW fanbase. And your pessimism is pathetic... Just because OGN does bad its first season, suddenly sc2 is dead. Spare me. When you think realism is pessimism, maybe you should stop being biased. I really wanted the KESPA players and OGN to revigorate SC2, but the only ones who can do it don't even have the competence to do so. They release a BALANCE patch every week for the beta HoTS, and think suddenly this game is going to be popular and growing. Your optimism is killing Starcraft.. it needs a reality check. The life is sc2 in korea doesn't hinge on the OSL, not at all. GSL is WAY bigger in korea, the OSL barely has any attention on the forums and such in korea (this a fact). You are blowing this out of proportion, and living in the past where the OSL was the shit and more important than anything. And please, don't go over into the whole saveHotS rant, it's so ridiculous. GSL finals fill out an auditorium which is not bad, but please go watch a BW finals from 2005 or so. I do understand that with streaming and all, people will have lower motivations to actually move out to an offline event, but these are the finals.. there should have been more people. and if you think i live in the past, go watch offline LoL events: people are still interested in E-sports.. just not Starcraft 2.
True, I flew to Korea to watch BW finals, but didn't even watch this SC2 OSL.
Just super happy Rain won because I've been a hardcore SKT fan for years and I have always believed in the elephant is in the room stuff.
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Damn... didn't take the elephants that long (jk jk)
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On October 27 2012 20:29 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 20:26 Elroi wrote:On October 27 2012 20:19 jpak wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rTh05.jpg) That's pathetic indeed, assuming the upper decks are empty. they are. this is just pathetic. the best bw players had thousands and thousands of fans (boxer had a fan club with 1000.000 members according to wikipedia).. and this draws, what, 2000 people for an osl finals? we had over 100 000 attending the bw finals back in the day. ![[image loading]](http://seoulspace.co.kr/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/2009-final.jpeg) yeah, rip BW, the best and ONLY "sport"
But come on guys, that's when BW was at it's peak, after 8 years of playan. If someone posts the first final where Grrrr won and it's like double the size of this one, than yea, you can say that this final was bad. But I'd say if this was a good run for OGN than all's good, and maybe combining the two teamleagues now, or just hyping HotS up would be enough to have a bigger domestic audience.
While everyone was crying about the size of the audience at least DRG got raped, so congrats for that to Bisong and also for Royal Roading the Fall.
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People should stop being alarmist about sc2. OSL sc2 isn't really that big yet, that doesn't mean sc2 is dead, GSL finals were really packed, which is quite logical since it's the best sc2 league. Yeah sc2 isn't the prime e-sports title he was because of LoL, he's still a huge part in e-sports.
Today's games were a bit underwhelming, but that's because Rain was a few levels above DRG, then the only thing you can expect in a good e-sports game is him winning convincingly. It's not because of pvz or blizzard, just better builds, timings, multitask which lead into onesided win.
Anyway the thing I'm sure, is that I don't want sc2 to become a casual game like LoL just in order to get a big public.
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On October 27 2012 21:29 Patate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 21:24 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:22 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:17 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:15 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:13 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:11 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:08 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:07 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:00 Danzo wrote:
Man watching those older OSL montages, the atmosphere was so electric. I didn't feel any of that today even tho the games were good. The games were good? no. PvZ is always boring. The audience was inexistant, and the atmosphere was dead. I wouldn't be surprised if OGN just quits SC2, or goes back to BW. This tournament was simply awful and I will not even remember it tomorrow when waking up. I hope Blizzard will step it up and fundamentally change this game before they lose all their big partners (OGN-kespa, for one). But I'm losing hope :X It's their first sc2 tournament. Are they supposed to just give up when they don't get the attention like GSL? What kind of attitude is that... this is the first chance of some real competition in korea. It's their first SC2 tournament and the viewers didn't follow the BW--> SC2 transition at all, because they don't want to watch that game. Normally when there is a new thing, people are more interested... or at least they are curious. OGN lost so many fans when transitionning. It's called building up a fanbase. There's nothing automatic about it. Are you kidding me? They already had a fanbase. This was supposed to be OGN's BW fanbase meet SC2 fanbase. If this game was interesting, it would have been bigger than the BW OSL of the last few years, but the audience was almost inexistant. Please, just realize how dead this game is compared to BW. They had a BW fanbase. And your pessimism is pathetic... Just because OGN does bad its first season, suddenly sc2 is dead. Spare me. When you think realism is pessimism, maybe you should stop being biased. I really wanted the KESPA players and OGN to revigorate SC2, but the only ones who can do it don't even have the competence to do so. They release a BALANCE patch every week for the beta HoTS, and think suddenly this game is going to be popular and growing. Your optimism is killing Starcraft.. it needs a reality check. The life is sc2 in korea doesn't hinge on the OSL, not at all. GSL is WAY bigger in korea, the OSL barely has any attention on the forums and such in korea (this a fact). You are blowing this out of proportion, and living in the past where the OSL was the shit and more important than anything. And please, don't go over into the whole saveHotS rant, it's so ridiculous. GSL finals fill out an auditorium which is not bad, but please go watch a BW finals from 2005 or so. I do understand that with streaming and all, people will have lower motivations to actually move out to an offline event, but these are the finals.. there should have been more people. and if you think i live in the past, go watch offline LoL events: people are still interested in E-sports.. just not Starcraft 2.
you have to consider that in 2005 bw basically was esports but now we have more than just 1 game that people like to watch.
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Well that went as expected.
+1 for T1.
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On October 27 2012 21:51 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 21:29 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:24 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:22 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:17 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:15 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:13 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:11 Patate wrote:On October 27 2012 21:08 monkybone wrote:On October 27 2012 21:07 Patate wrote:
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The games were good? no. PvZ is always boring.
The audience was inexistant, and the atmosphere was dead.
I wouldn't be surprised if OGN just quits SC2, or goes back to BW. This tournament was simply awful and I will not even remember it tomorrow when waking up.
I hope Blizzard will step it up and fundamentally change this game before they lose all their big partners (OGN-kespa, for one). But I'm losing hope :X
It's their first sc2 tournament. Are they supposed to just give up when they don't get the attention like GSL? What kind of attitude is that... this is the first chance of some real competition in korea. It's their first SC2 tournament and the viewers didn't follow the BW--> SC2 transition at all, because they don't want to watch that game. Normally when there is a new thing, people are more interested... or at least they are curious. OGN lost so many fans when transitionning. It's called building up a fanbase. There's nothing automatic about it. Are you kidding me? They already had a fanbase. This was supposed to be OGN's BW fanbase meet SC2 fanbase. If this game was interesting, it would have been bigger than the BW OSL of the last few years, but the audience was almost inexistant. Please, just realize how dead this game is compared to BW. They had a BW fanbase. And your pessimism is pathetic... Just because OGN does bad its first season, suddenly sc2 is dead. Spare me. When you think realism is pessimism, maybe you should stop being biased. I really wanted the KESPA players and OGN to revigorate SC2, but the only ones who can do it don't even have the competence to do so. They release a BALANCE patch every week for the beta HoTS, and think suddenly this game is going to be popular and growing. Your optimism is killing Starcraft.. it needs a reality check. The life is sc2 in korea doesn't hinge on the OSL, not at all. GSL is WAY bigger in korea, the OSL barely has any attention on the forums and such in korea (this a fact). You are blowing this out of proportion, and living in the past where the OSL was the shit and more important than anything. And please, don't go over into the whole saveHotS rant, it's so ridiculous. GSL finals fill out an auditorium which is not bad, but please go watch a BW finals from 2005 or so. I do understand that with streaming and all, people will have lower motivations to actually move out to an offline event, but these are the finals.. there should have been more people. and if you think i live in the past, go watch offline LoL events: people are still interested in E-sports.. just not Starcraft 2. you have to consider that in 2005 bw basically was esports but now we have more than just 1 game that people like to watch.
People didn't watch BW because they didn't have any other video games to watch. They watched it because they liked it. There were lots of other proleagues on OGN and MBC Game. Most of them went away relatively quickly because the games weren't very good by comparison or as interesting to a spectator.
Edit: Also, I don't think SC2 viewership would go up if LoL went away.
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Rain was clearly the better player tonight, damn if he could have just pulled out the MVP game he would have clean sweeped all 3
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