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ref4
2933 Posts
On October 19 2012 23:57 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Lol at people that "will start calling MVP a bonjwa if he wins"....that's not how it works lmao. then how does it work then? | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9223 Posts
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
Personally I think we need to get the OSL up and running for a while first, perhaps the biggest feat in BW was winning OSL and MSL simultaneously, and it'd be similar for OSL & GSL. Honestly, regardless of who wins tomorrow, Rain will be the most impressive player to me this season for his dual performance (in his premiere SC2 tourney at that). | ||
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Tauscond
United States181 Posts
On October 19 2012 23:54 FakeDeath wrote: You never know. Remember when MMA 4-1 MVP at the GSL finals? Nothing is impossible. It could even go to MVP 4-0 Life or Life 4-0 MVP. GSL has a tendency to be one-sided most of the time if you look at GSL finals history. Agree you never know how a TvT match would go. But TvZ is different. TvZ and Life's strategies are more predictable. Life can win if he can outprepare Mvp and go on with unexpected strategies (like what MMA did) which is perhaps likely 10% probability :D | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
It seems like people don't know the meaning of a " bonjwa ". http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226236 Bonjwa is not the number of titles you have won. It means to be untouchable against the highest level of competition and utterly dominating against them. It was meant for Savior when he utterly smashed the best Terrans(iloveoov,Boxer Nada) on map heavily favors Terran when the rest of zergs failed horribly. He shown complete domination during the era of 2005-2007. To boast an aura of invincibility is what it means to be a bonjwa. Honestly speaking,MVP is the most successful player of all-time in SC2. But he is not untouchable and he can bleed. | ||
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Rhaegar_tar
France847 Posts
On October 20 2012 00:17 Weavel wrote: I guess you have to win 6 GSL titles then... lol I guess you should check what a bonjwa is lol... | ||
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On October 20 2012 00:27 FakeDeath wrote: It seems like people don't know the meaning of a " bonjwa ". http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226236 Bonjwa is not the number of titles you have won. It means to be untouchable against the highest level of competition and utterly dominating against them. It was meant for Savior when he utterly smashed the best Terrans(iloveoov,Boxer Nada) on map heavily favors Terran when the rest of zergs failed horribly. He shown complete domination during the era of 2005-2007. To boast an aura of invincibility is what it means to be a bonjwa. Honestly speaking,MVP is the most successful player of all-time in SC2. But he is not untouchable and he can bleed. Yep, Savior failed every OSL (i think he got 1?) even during his time of domination. He bled too. Yes he was an MSL king, but he bled. Mvp is a GSL king, and yes, he bleeds. | ||
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Weirdkid
Singapore2431 Posts
 But don't care. Go Mvp!!The original article can be found here http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=1316612&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token= Number of GSL tour wins (As of 19 October 2012) 1. Mvp - 154 wins, 88 losses, 63.6% 2. MarineKing - 134 wins, 97 losses, 58.0% 3. MC - 112 wins, 76 losses, 59.6% 4. Leenock - 110 wins, 80 losses, 57.9% 5. Nestea - 108 wins, 67 losses, 61.7% 6. MMA - 94 wins, 66 losses, 58.8% 7. DongRaeGu - 83 wins, 49 losses, 62.9% 8. Genius - 78 wins, 67 losses, 53.8% 9. Polt - 73 wins, 78 losses, 48.3% 10. Squirtle - 72 wins, 47 losses, 60.5% 10. Bomber - 72 wins, 53 losses, 57.6% GSL tour win percentage (As of 19 October 2012, more than 50 games played) 1. Mvp - 154 wins, 88 losses, 63.6% 2. Symbol - 41 wins, 24 losses, 63.1% 3. DongRaeGu - 83 wins, 49 losses, 62.9% 4. Sniper - 37 wins, 22 losses, 62.7% 5. Nestea - 108 wins, 67 losses, 61.7% 6. Seed - 46 wins, 29 losses, 61.3% 7. Taeja - 66 wins, 43 losses, 60.6% 8. Squirtle - 72 wins, 47 losses, 60.5% 9. Curious - 60 wins, 40 losses, 60% 10. MC - 112 wins, 76 losses, 59.6% Number of GSL Code S wins (As of 19 October 2012) 1. Mvp - 98 wins, 50 losses, 66.2% 2. Nestea - 64 wins, 40 losses, 61.5% 3. MC - 60 wins, 41 losses, 59.4% 4. Genius - 43 wins, 41 losses, 51.2% 4. MarineKing - 43 wins, 42 losses, 50.6% 6. DongRaeGu - 40 wins, 30 losses, 57.1% 7. MMA - 39 wins, 26 losses, 60.0% 8. Leenock - 38 wins, 33 losses, 53.5% 9. Supernova - 33 wins, 36 losses, 47.8% 10. Taeja - 32 wins, 28 losses, 53.3% GSL Code S win percentage (As of 19 October 2012, more than 30 games played) 1. Mvp - 98 wins, 50 losses, 66.2% 2. Squirtle - 31 wins, 16 losses, 66.0% 3. Nestea - 64 wins, 40 losses, 61.5% 4. Seed - 30 wins, 19 losses, 61.2% 5. MMA - 39 wins, 26 losses, 60.0% 6. MC - 60 wins, 41 losses, 59.4% 7. DongRaeGu - 40 wins, 30 losses, 57.1% 8. Hero - 22 wins, 18 losses, 55.0% 9. Symbol - 20 wins, 17 losses, 54.1% 10. Parting - 27 wins, 23 losses, 54.0% Cumulative prize money of GSL tour (As of 19 October 2012) 1. Nestea - 231, 800, 000 won 2. Mvp - 221, 500, 000 won 3. MC - 202, 500, 000 won 4. MMA - 132, 800, 000 won 5. Polt - 124, 100, 000 won 6. Fruitdealer - 112, 000, 000 won 7. MarineKing - 96, 500, 000 won 8. DongRaeGu - 72, 400, 000 won 9. Jjakji - 56, 500, 000 won 10. Seed - 54, 100, 000 won GSL tour 2012 points ranking (As of 19 October 2012, more than 30 games played) 1. DongRaeGu - 7250 points 2. Seed - 6000 points 3. Mvp - 5900 points 4. MC - 4029 points 5. Genius - 3699 points 6. Squirtle - 3603 points 7. Taeja - 3310 points 8. Parting - 2880 points 9. Hero - 2830 points 10. Gumiho - 2400 points GSL tour overall points ranking (As of 19 October 2012, more than 30 games played) 1. Mvp - 26003 points 2. Nestea - 16210 points 3. MC - 13144 points 4. MMA - 10678 points 5. MarineKing - 10332 points 6. Polt - 9730 points 7. DongRaeGu - 8104 points 8. July - 7252 points 9. Genius - 6892 points 10. Jjakji - 6473 points | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On October 20 2012 00:28 Rhaegar_tar wrote: I guess you should check what a bonjwa is lol... SC2 bonjwa is not the same as BW bonjwa. In BW if the more skilled player had a build order disadvantage, he could come back into the game because all the small things he does better would have an impact. SC2 is way more random in the sense that the opening of the game has a LoL like snowballing effect most of the time, due to the fact that scouting is way harder in SC2 during the early stages of the game. So I would say that winning that much when sometimes luck is against you in bo3 or bo5 series means more than the same amount of big tourney win in BW. On the opposite winning only one title means more in BW, as it was less likely to have those lucky wins. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 20 2012 00:45 nojok wrote: SC2 bonjwa is not the same as BW bonjwa. In BW if the more skilled player had a build order disadvantage, he could come back into the game because all the small things he does better would have an impact. SC2 is way more random in the sense that the opening of the game has a LoL like snowballing effect most of the time, due to the fact that scouting is way harder in SC2 during the early stages of the game. So I would say that winning that much when sometimes luck is against you in bo3 or bo5 series means more than the same amount of big tourney win in BW. On the opposite winning only one title means more in BW, as it was less likely to have those lucky wins. If SC2 bonjwa is not the same as BW bonjwa, then we should stop using that term and come up with a new one. To be honest I always hated the term, but it hasn't seriously been used since sAviOr anyway At the very least there should be an equivalent to the Golden Mouse for winning 5 GSL titles. Pretty sure it will be a long time until someone achieves that, if Mvp even achieves it tomorrow. | ||
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zyzq
United States3123 Posts
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Xenogears
France87 Posts
Deal with it. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On October 20 2012 00:50 lichter wrote: If SC2 bonjwa is not the same as BW bonjwa, then we should stop using that term and come up with a new one. To be honest I always hated the term, but it hasn't seriously been used since sAviOr anyway At the very least there should be an equivalent to the Golden Mouse for winning 5 GSL titles. Pretty sure it will be a long time until someone achieves that, if Mvp even achieves it tomorrow. Yeah I agree it deserves another word than bonjwa. WoL king, translating king in Korean, may be cool. | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
On October 20 2012 00:55 nojok wrote: Yeah I agree it deserves another word than bonjwa. WoL king, translating king in Korean, may be cool. I vote 'awjnob'. | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
We can he even use it as a verb, "Oh man MVP is jwaboning that kid so hard, I can't watch" | ||
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Spacekyod
United States818 Posts
On October 20 2012 00:50 lichter wrote: If SC2 bonjwa is not the same as BW bonjwa, then we should stop using that term and come up with a new one. To be honest I always hated the term, but it hasn't seriously been used since sAviOr anyway At the very least there should be an equivalent to the Golden Mouse for winning 5 GSL titles. Pretty sure it will be a long time until someone achieves that, if Mvp even achieves it tomorrow. Totally agree with this. MVP has been able to string together a few streaks of looking literally untouchable by any other player, but they only end up lasting 2-3 months at a time. So while he has shown flashes of the "B" word, i wouldn't feel it right to give him that title. He has indeed been a dominating and formidable player throughout his career, but not quite bonjwa status. I am all for another title being made up and given to him, because he has definitely shown he stands above the rest. | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On October 20 2012 00:17 Weavel wrote: I guess you have to win 6 GSL titles then... lol No, 8 GSL and a few more MLGs and stuff, then I would call him bonjwa. | ||
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dynwar7
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