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Talionis
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland4085 Posts
October 03 2012 12:44 GMT
#221
Haha wow. A bo7 with 3 maps being repeated. That sounds interesting.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 03 2012 12:51 GMT
#222
On October 03 2012 21:43 Fischbacher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 21:39 Shinobi1982 wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:37 HolydaKing wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:29 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Today's

OSL: page 10
GSL: page 100

OSL games were really good today, it's just that SC2 people don't know or care about it very much. Also most people prefer GSL casters and OSL often has stream problems, as in the stream isn't running smoothly. Had that problem again today, although not all the time.

All in all OGN needs to step up on the overall production value (english stream) if they want to compete with GOM for the foreign viewers.

I think they are launching OGN HD in the new year (IIRC OGN still broadcasts in SD), so with a bit of luck that will increase the video quality.

The actual production quality is higher for OSL than GSL, the problem is the stream quality - especially the English stream.

i'm not so sure about production, GSL is pretty slick
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
October 03 2012 13:01 GMT
#223
On October 03 2012 21:36 Derrida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 21:29 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Today's

OSL: page 10
GSL: page 100


I was thinking the same thing, why's this?


In terms of sc2, GSL is the more established league right now. Plus things already mentioned, poor stream, less popular casters, longer break between games. 1 Bo5 instead of 2. Plus you had Rain, Mvp, HerO whom probably have the Top 10 fan bases in the world out of the Koreans. DRG is up there as well but Oz's results recently haven't been great.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
October 03 2012 13:02 GMT
#224
From what I've seen GSL English Production >> OSL English Production though I wouldn't be surprised if that was switched for the Korean broadcast.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
October 03 2012 13:03 GMT
#225
now I know why you guys have so many posts... after only doing 4 LR's I added almost 100 posts. Just a reminder again to people, I have not been working on making the semis or the finals LR's.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 03 2012 13:11 GMT
#226
On October 03 2012 22:03 wo1fwood wrote:
now I know why you guys have so many posts... after only doing 4 LR's I added almost 100 posts. Just a reminder again to people, I have not been working on making the semis or the finals LR's.

yeah i'll see if i can cover it
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
October 03 2012 13:18 GMT
#227
On October 03 2012 21:51 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 21:43 Fischbacher wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:39 Shinobi1982 wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:37 HolydaKing wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:29 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Today's

OSL: page 10
GSL: page 100

OSL games were really good today, it's just that SC2 people don't know or care about it very much. Also most people prefer GSL casters and OSL often has stream problems, as in the stream isn't running smoothly. Had that problem again today, although not all the time.

All in all OGN needs to step up on the overall production value (english stream) if they want to compete with GOM for the foreign viewers.

I think they are launching OGN HD in the new year (IIRC OGN still broadcasts in SD), so with a bit of luck that will increase the video quality.

The actual production quality is higher for OSL than GSL, the problem is the stream quality - especially the English stream.

i'm not so sure about production, GSL is pretty slick

tbh, from what I've seen, GSL is ahead of OSl on production, and that is disregarding stream quality, lack of VOD accessability and overall shitty English support.
Get off my lawn, young punks
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
October 03 2012 13:19 GMT
#228
god I love the final game
they both meta gamed each other
10 pool vs 1 base forge
crazy stuff!
moo...for DRG
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
October 03 2012 13:48 GMT
#229
Disregarding the casters / stream issues on the English stream of OSL, production for OSL is definitely better. The way the studio is setup, the camera shots of players / audience, the post match analysis / interviews are all excellent. This is even more apparent if you compare PL vs GSTL; the free stream quality from OGN is also a lot better than GSL's is.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
October 03 2012 14:08 GMT
#230
Does anyone know the domestic viewing figures for this seasons OSL so far? Has there been a big drop due to the switch to SC2? Have the figures remained steady or increased? Have the Korean BW fans remained onboard or are they drifting away?
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 14:19:22
October 03 2012 14:19 GMT
#231
On October 03 2012 22:48 Salazarz wrote:
Disregarding the casters / stream issues on the English stream of OSL, production for OSL is definitely better. The way the studio is setup, the camera shots of players / audience, the post match analysis / interviews are all excellent. This is even more apparent if you compare PL vs GSTL; the free stream quality from OGN is also a lot better than GSL's is.


I agree. Unfortunately, casters/stream smoothness probably outweighs all the other factors that you listed. Lagging stream is probably the worst thing that can happen for something like this.
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 15:06:48
October 03 2012 15:02 GMT
#232
On October 03 2012 22:18 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 21:51 opterown wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:43 Fischbacher wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:39 Shinobi1982 wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:37 HolydaKing wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:29 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Today's

OSL: page 10
GSL: page 100

OSL games were really good today, it's just that SC2 people don't know or care about it very much. Also most people prefer GSL casters and OSL often has stream problems, as in the stream isn't running smoothly. Had that problem again today, although not all the time.

All in all OGN needs to step up on the overall production value (english stream) if they want to compete with GOM for the foreign viewers.

I think they are launching OGN HD in the new year (IIRC OGN still broadcasts in SD), so with a bit of luck that will increase the video quality.

The actual production quality is higher for OSL than GSL, the problem is the stream quality - especially the English stream.

i'm not so sure about production, GSL is pretty slick

tbh, from what I've seen, GSL is ahead of OSl on production, and that is disregarding stream quality, lack of VOD accessability and overall shitty English support.


If you are not in Korea, or not watching Korean stream constantly, you can't judge what production quality OSL has because you never saw it. Internet stream is never better than TV channel in current technology level.
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
October 03 2012 15:23 GMT
#233
On October 03 2012 21:39 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 21:37 HolydaKing wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:29 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Today's

OSL: page 10
GSL: page 100

OSL games were really good today, it's just that SC2 people don't know or care about it very much. Also most people prefer GSL casters and OSL often has stream problems, as in the stream isn't running smoothly. Had that problem again today, although not all the time.

All in all OGN needs to step up on the overall production value (english stream) if they want to compete with GOM for the foreign viewers.


Have you ever consider, maybe they don't want to compete for foreign viewers, they just want to anchor Korean fans, cable subscription numbers are what they concern. The only thing OGN did on foreign scene over last decade is the OSL final in China.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37114 Posts
October 03 2012 18:22 GMT
#234
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373129

Interview is up!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
October 03 2012 19:26 GMT
#235
Its going to be a PvP finals and Rain is going to beat MC, and MC will lose in PvP finals in consecutive major Starleagues.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 03 2012 21:49 GMT
#236
On October 04 2012 00:02 ElephantBaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 22:18 ACrow wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:51 opterown wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:43 Fischbacher wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:39 Shinobi1982 wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:37 HolydaKing wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:29 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Today's

OSL: page 10
GSL: page 100

OSL games were really good today, it's just that SC2 people don't know or care about it very much. Also most people prefer GSL casters and OSL often has stream problems, as in the stream isn't running smoothly. Had that problem again today, although not all the time.

All in all OGN needs to step up on the overall production value (english stream) if they want to compete with GOM for the foreign viewers.

I think they are launching OGN HD in the new year (IIRC OGN still broadcasts in SD), so with a bit of luck that will increase the video quality.

The actual production quality is higher for OSL than GSL, the problem is the stream quality - especially the English stream.

i'm not so sure about production, GSL is pretty slick

tbh, from what I've seen, GSL is ahead of OSl on production, and that is disregarding stream quality, lack of VOD accessability and overall shitty English support.


If you are not in Korea, or not watching Korean stream constantly, you can't judge what production quality OSL has because you never saw it. Internet stream is never better than TV channel in current technology level.

the english stream is pretty much a restream of the korean stream (most of it is). i'm not sure if doatrap even have an ingame obs client?
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-04 00:36:12
October 03 2012 23:54 GMT
#237
On October 04 2012 06:49 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 00:02 ElephantBaby wrote:
On October 03 2012 22:18 ACrow wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:51 opterown wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:43 Fischbacher wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:39 Shinobi1982 wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:37 HolydaKing wrote:
On October 03 2012 21:29 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Today's

OSL: page 10
GSL: page 100

OSL games were really good today, it's just that SC2 people don't know or care about it very much. Also most people prefer GSL casters and OSL often has stream problems, as in the stream isn't running smoothly. Had that problem again today, although not all the time.

All in all OGN needs to step up on the overall production value (english stream) if they want to compete with GOM for the foreign viewers.

I think they are launching OGN HD in the new year (IIRC OGN still broadcasts in SD), so with a bit of luck that will increase the video quality.

The actual production quality is higher for OSL than GSL, the problem is the stream quality - especially the English stream.

i'm not so sure about production, GSL is pretty slick

tbh, from what I've seen, GSL is ahead of OSl on production, and that is disregarding stream quality, lack of VOD accessability and overall shitty English support.


If you are not in Korea, or not watching Korean stream constantly, you can't judge what production quality OSL has because you never saw it. Internet stream is never better than TV channel in current technology level.

the english stream is pretty much a restream of the korean stream (most of it is). i'm not sure if doatrap even have an ingame obs client?


Casters, commercials and video quality, lag issue are all different for those two streams, let alone TV channel.
Commercials are important, without commercials, everything seems weird, particularly with the long break.

The only same thing is in game action, and that has not much to do with OGN's production quality.

aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
October 04 2012 00:33 GMT
#238
lol
drg going full dong mode
can i get my estro logo back pls
unteqair
Profile Joined November 2011
United States308 Posts
October 04 2012 00:40 GMT
#239
PvP final is bad for esports
MVBasten
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway37 Posts
October 04 2012 03:52 GMT
#240
I would love it if Moletrap or Doa could talk to OGN and show them what they have been charging people for. It's quite insulting to pay for OSL VODs, and what you get is such terrible lag (on production side, not buffering) that is barely watchable. Honestly I don't think I can explain how horrible it is, you just have to watch it. And it surely isn't getting any better from day to day either.

Any respectable company would refund all the subscribers, or giving a ticket for next season as compensation for not actually giving the product that is advertised. I'm not holding my breath though.
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